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(01-09-2024 06:49 AM)Doo Wrote:  Most “botched calls” are correct. Most people calling them botched is normally where the error lies.

The Lions/Cowboys incident is a perfect example of that. It wasn’t the white hat that didn’t follow protocol there, it was Detroit, and then they cried about it after like a middle school kid caught doing the wrong thing when they get home and have to talk to mom and dad.

They discussed the play with the officials before the game and warned them they might try it. They tried to confuse the Cowboys defense by sending multiple linemen over. If there was any confusion, the official should have clarified who was eligible.

And if you're absolutely convinced the Lions were in the wrong there, what about the huge missed PI call with the defender hanging all over St. Brown earlier in the drive? Everyone in the stadium saw it, the announcers saw it, clear as day on replay...no call. How can they just pick and choose when to enforce the rules of the game?

Judgment. Made by fallible human beings.

Three kinds of fair in this life: County Fair, State Fair, and unfair.

Deal with it.

Again: "Play better than the officials officiate" (Chuck Noll).

(01-09-2024 09:16 AM)bronconick Wrote:  It's the NFL being cheap. It's an almost $20 billion annual business, but they're perfectly content hiring part time officials who routinely who make bonehead calls.

Cheap? Ridiculous, the NFL could pay each official 7 figures if it wanted to.
By keeping them part time they don’t depend on the NFL for thier livelihood, allowing them to be more impartial.

(01-09-2024 11:03 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 06:49 AM)Doo Wrote:  Most “botched calls” are correct. Most people calling them botched is normally where the error lies.

The Lions/Cowboys incident is a perfect example of that. It wasn’t the white hat that didn’t follow protocol there, it was Detroit, and then they cried about it after like a middle school kid caught doing the wrong thing when they get home and have to talk to mom and dad.

They discussed the play with the officials before the game and warned them they might try it. They tried to confuse the Cowboys defense by sending multiple linemen over. If there was any confusion, the official should have clarified who was eligible.

And if you're absolutely convinced the Lions were in the wrong there, what about the huge missed PI call with the defender hanging all over St. Brown earlier in the drive? Everyone in the stadium saw it, the announcers saw it, clear as day on replay...no call. How can they just pick and choose when to enforce the rules of the game?

PI is a judgement call I won’t debate those.

Eligibility is a mechanics call and the officials handled it by the book. The Lions did not. 70 had already signaled and been granted eligibility before 58 even spoke to the official ( that’s very obvious on the wide angle) You must have 5 ineligible players on any given play, the Lions had 6 lineman not 7 therefore there is no granting of two eligible lineman. Plus there is no “confusing” of the Cowboys in reality since the eligibility of a lineman must be announced publicly and in person to the defense. The defense covered 70 because that’s who was awarded eligibility.

The officials followed protocol, and even conferred after the fact to confirm they followed protocol. The Lions tried to get too smart and circumvent protocol. That’s what bit them in the tail. The blame falls on them. If you want to put any blame on the white hat it would be that he didn’t go over to Campbell and say, no you can’t do that before the play was run.

I’m confident if Campbell had described the scenario as such before the game they would’ve shot it down. Campbell likely told them he might make either eligible, which is fine, but you can’t make both eligible. It just doesn’t work that way.

I know you will just shake your head at this, most people don’t like explanations when drama is so much more fun. It doesn’t get clicks and it doesn’t drive TV ratings but that’s the reality of the situation.

I don't appreciate the implication that I am just being emotional instead of logical. And I disagree that Skipper reported as eligible. I didn't see that and Skip seemed genuinely upset after the call, insisting that he didn't say anything.

But maybe you're right. It's possible it went down like that and we may never know the truth. Maybe all the current coaches, current players, announcers, analysts, former officials, former players and coaches, etc...are all wrong about the incident. What I saw in the moment was a series of questionable calls benefiting the home team Dallas Cowboys on Jimmy Johnson's induction night. Perhaps that's all coincidence, perhaps not. The Lions will soon have a chance to prove what they can do in the playoffs.

(01-09-2024 12:54 PM)Doo Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:16 AM)bronconick Wrote:  It's the NFL being cheap. It's an almost $20 billion annual business, but they're perfectly content hiring part time officials who routinely who make bonehead calls.

Cheap? Ridiculous, the NFL could pay each official 7 figures if it wanted to.
By keeping them part time they don’t depend on the NFL for thier livelihood, allowing them to be more impartial.

Lol okay this is just silly. Maybe politicians and policemen and judges and soldiers and all working people should just be part-time employees in order to preserve their impartiality. Because that's how it works.

(01-09-2024 01:39 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I don't appreciate the implication that I am just being emotional instead of logical. And I disagree that Skipper reported as eligible. I didn't see that and Skip seemed genuinely upset after the call, insisting that he didn't say anything.

But maybe you're right. It's possible it went down like that and we may never know the truth. Maybe all the current coaches, current players, announcers, analysts, former officials, former players and coaches, etc...are all wrong about the incident. What I saw in the moment was a series of questionable calls benefiting the home team Dallas Cowboys on Jimmy Johnson's induction night. Perhaps that's all coincidence, perhaps not. The Lions will soon have a chance to prove what they can do in the playoffs.

It’s not “ok maybe that’s what happened”. It is exactly what happened. It’s all on film and easy to see when you throw your bias out.

(01-09-2024 01:48 PM)Doo Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 01:39 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I don't appreciate the implication that I am just being emotional instead of logical. And I disagree that Skipper reported as eligible. I didn't see that and Skip seemed genuinely upset after the call, insisting that he didn't say anything.

But maybe you're right. It's possible it went down like that and we may never know the truth. Maybe all the current coaches, current players, announcers, analysts, former officials, former players and coaches, etc...are all wrong about the incident. What I saw in the moment was a series of questionable calls benefiting the home team Dallas Cowboys on Jimmy Johnson's induction night. Perhaps that's all coincidence, perhaps not. The Lions will soon have a chance to prove what they can do in the playoffs.

It’s not “ok maybe that’s what happened”. It is exactly what happened. It’s all on film and easy to see when you throw your bias out.

If it's so easily explained away, why doesn't the NFL just release the audio?

I'm leaving open the possibility that I'm wrong. Can you do the same?

(01-09-2024 12:54 PM)Doo Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:16 AM)bronconick Wrote:  It's the NFL being cheap. It's an almost $20 billion annual business, but they're perfectly content hiring part time officials who routinely who make bonehead calls.

Cheap? Ridiculous, the NFL could pay each official 7 figures if it wanted to.
By keeping them part time they don’t depend on the NFL for thier livelihood, allowing them to be more impartial.

Yeah, better to have deals with DraftKings, Caesars, and FanDuel and keep your "impartial" part time officials. That won't look awful with weekly "here's what the officials farked up" videos.

After the first Two-Point play penalty Campbell should have kicked the Extra Point (20-20) and gone into OT.

He screwed up twice before third try failed.

(01-09-2024 02:29 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 01:48 PM)Doo Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 01:39 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I don't appreciate the implication that I am just being emotional instead of logical. And I disagree that Skipper reported as eligible. I didn't see that and Skip seemed genuinely upset after the call, insisting that he didn't say anything.

But maybe you're right. It's possible it went down like that and we may never know the truth. Maybe all the current coaches, current players, announcers, analysts, former officials, former players and coaches, etc...are all wrong about the incident. What I saw in the moment was a series of questionable calls benefiting the home team Dallas Cowboys on Jimmy Johnson's induction night. Perhaps that's all coincidence, perhaps not. The Lions will soon have a chance to prove what they can do in the playoffs.

It’s not “ok maybe that’s what happened”. It is exactly what happened. It’s all on film and easy to see when you throw your bias out.

If it's so easily explained away, why doesn't the NFL just release the audio?

I'm leaving open the possibility that I'm wrong. Can you do the same?

I’m sure they’ll do that right after they name the second shooter right?

The audio? Are you saying that I said 58 didn’t say “report” because I never said that. I’m quite confident he did. What you continue to miss is that the White Hat already recognized 70 so anything after that is moot. 70 signaled to be eligible and it was granted, you can see the white hat ignore 58 because there was no reason to listen to him anymore for reasons I’ve stated previously.

SOL finally died a peaceful death tonight. Glad to see the football gods grace the lions with another playoff game after what happened in Dallas a few weeks back.

(01-14-2024 11:28 PM)Cocksman Wrote:  SOL finally died a peaceful death tonight. Glad to see the football gods grace the lions with another playoff game after what happened in Dallas a few weeks back.

Extra special to see the Cowboys get humiliated.

All you Lions' fans must still be out celebrating or just not believing the men in Blue and SIlver have won their second play-off game in two weeks. What a game today!! Was almost afraid to watch.

The most post-season success since 1957.

Everything from now on will be gravy. Sure it'll be a bummer if we lose next week (or in the SB), but it's already been a great season to remember.

(01-22-2024 10:08 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Everything from now on will be gravy. Sure it'll be a bummer if we lose next week (or in the SB), but it's already been a great season to remember.

I won't be disappointed if they lose the SB. Just get there so we can stop hearing about how they're one of a few teams to never get there.

(01-22-2024 10:08 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Everything from now on will be gravy. Sure it'll be a bummer if we lose next week (or in the SB), but it's already been a great season to remember.

No Gravy for Dan Campbell. He's got his team thinking they can win it all.

(01-22-2024 11:27 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(01-22-2024 10:08 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Everything from now on will be gravy. Sure it'll be a bummer if we lose next week (or in the SB), but it's already been a great season to remember.

No Gravy for Dan Campbell. He's got his team thinking they can win it all.

My Packers could've beaten the Niners but didn't.

If they could've - Lions at least have a shot.

(01-22-2024 11:27 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(01-22-2024 10:08 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Everything from now on will be gravy. Sure it'll be a bummer if we lose next week (or in the SB), but it's already been a great season to remember.

No Gravy for Dan Campbell. He's got his team thinking they can win it all.

It seemed the “window” opened sooner than expected. Being this far now you gotta try to go through it. The future is now but also bright in the future. Good time to be a lions fan.