(12-01-2023 12:55 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-30-2023 11:42 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Can we get JMU to sue the NCAA.

Can we all join them? JMU never should have rescineded their lawsuit against the NCAA anyway. They should have continued it and then enhanced it with new charges, largely related to the portal crap.

Or class action to include all of the other schools that had 6+ wins during transition and were impacted by the silly rule... not trying to restart all that though : )

Big hit for JMU.

(12-01-2023 08:36 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Big hit for JMU.

They are going to get hit hard. It was kinda inevitable.

(12-01-2023 08:39 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 08:36 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Big hit for JMU.

They are going to get hit hard. It was kinda inevitable.

It’s sad. Been through it. The chest pounding is gonna quite down a bit now though.

Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

(12-01-2023 11:27 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

And wait until you have recruits lined up that you’ve had a relationship with for months or years and a P5 strikes out on other players and comes in at the last minute and snags your player they haven’t invested any time in.

(12-01-2023 11:27 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

That gif is freakishly accurate. The crazy thing is, the regular season hasn't been over for a week.

How long will this type of thing last? I wonder if creating a portal window had the unintended consequence of accelerating these types of changes. Pretty clear that Coastal checked out two years in a row and I wonder if some of that wasn't related to mid-season portal offers and NIL deals being sent to players.

**** is ruining college football. People typically hold allegiance to college programs because they have some ties to a university through family, friends, proximity, alumni, etc. Professional football is different in that its purely based, usually, on proximity or success. If that's where the money is, that's where the 10 schools of the P5 that matter will push the other 123 schools.

Sometimes G5 programs can backfill with talent but when a coach leaves, I find it wrong that they can cherry pick their best players without recourse to the program they are leaving.

For NFL fans, imagine a world in which a position coach is hired to be a coordinator or a coordinator to a Head Coach. Imagine a world where Eric Bienemy gets the Washington job and takes Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, etc. with him. People would riot.

(12-01-2023 08:36 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Big hit for JMU.

When he’s playing in the NFL and it lists his school as JMU, will it have an asterisk next to it?

(12-01-2023 11:27 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

End of evangelion was intense

Would it be too much for G5 leagues to essentially include a buy out clause in player scholarship contracts? What I mean is let’s say your Coastal and you get a record signing class I mean high 3 stars etc and you know without a shadow of a doubt that these kids are gone come their jr season etc, couldn’t you then do what the service academies do and include in the contract that the university has you 4 years that you can transfer out etc but the second you do you owe the school back pay from the scholarships so 3 years at coastal would be 72k (or more if you want to add equipment costs expenses etc.) owed in some way back the university. Which would either be coming out of the players pocket, out of the NIL or the transfer schools pocket. It would stop lesser players (who would still be a asset) from transferring because because not only they statistically don’t have luck on their side and more than likely are either not moving up and are dropping down to the FCS who can’t pay for essentially 3-4 guys for one. It’ll slow down mid to major level P5s from picking them up because not only are you paying essentially 4 players for 1 and that would take a significant chunk from their NIL. I mean the talent loss would be slowed immediately if people are having to pay somehow 50-100k and if the guy gets indignant just bench him

(12-02-2023 09:29 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  Would it be too much for G5 leagues to essentially include a buy out clause in player scholarship contracts? What I mean is let’s say your Coastal and you get a record signing class I mean high 3 stars etc and you know without a shadow of a doubt that these kids are gone come their jr season etc, couldn’t you then do what the service academies do and include in the contract that the university has you 4 years that you can transfer out etc but the second you do you owe the school back pay from the scholarships so 3 years at coastal would be 72k (or more if you want to add equipment costs expenses etc.) owed in some way back the university. Which would either be coming out of the players pocket, out of the NIL or the transfer schools pocket. It would stop lesser players (who would still be a asset) from transferring because because not only they statistically don’t have luck on their side and more than likely are either not moving up and are dropping down to the FCS who can’t pay for essentially 3-4 guys for one. It’ll slow down mid to major level P5s from picking them up because not only are you paying essentially 4 players for 1 and that would take a significant chunk from their NIL. I mean the talent loss would be slowed immediately if people are having to pay somehow 50-100k and if the guy gets indignant just bench him

Can’t do that.

(12-02-2023 07:55 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 11:27 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

That gif is freakishly accurate. The crazy thing is, the regular season hasn't been over for a week.

How long will this type of thing last? I wonder if creating a portal window had the unintended consequence of accelerating these types of changes. Pretty clear that Coastal checked out two years in a row and I wonder if some of that wasn't related to mid-season portal offers and NIL deals being sent to players.

**** is ruining college football. People typically hold allegiance to college programs because they have some ties to a university through family, friends, proximity, alumni, etc. Professional football is different in that its purely based, usually, on proximity or success. If that's where the money is, that's where the 10 schools of the P5 that matter will push the other 123 schools.

Sometimes G5 programs can backfill with talent but when a coach leaves, I find it wrong that they can cherry pick their best players without recourse to the program they are leaving.

For NFL fans, imagine a world in which a position coach is hired to be a coordinator or a coordinator to a Head Coach. Imagine a world where Eric Bienemy gets the Washington job and takes Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, etc. with him. People would riot.

interesting and haven't thought of that before. I suppose some P5s are contacting our guys halfway through the season with 6 figure offers and our guys know they're going to accept, so they stop caring so much about the current team and season. They obviously don't care about playing in the bowls as they can't once they enter. So thats not a motivation any more. They've mentally checked out and moved on to the next employee. Like when a person gives their two weeks notice (only they haven't given said notice publicly) and they stop working as hard. Our best receiver (who wound up entering the portal) had a down period and didnt end the season as strong. Now I have to wonder if he just got some offers and checked out. Even if only subconsciously, and it affects performance.

(12-02-2023 09:59 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 07:55 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 11:27 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

That gif is freakishly accurate. The crazy thing is, the regular season hasn't been over for a week.

How long will this type of thing last? I wonder if creating a portal window had the unintended consequence of accelerating these types of changes. Pretty clear that Coastal checked out two years in a row and I wonder if some of that wasn't related to mid-season portal offers and NIL deals being sent to players.

**** is ruining college football. People typically hold allegiance to college programs because they have some ties to a university through family, friends, proximity, alumni, etc. Professional football is different in that its purely based, usually, on proximity or success. If that's where the money is, that's where the 10 schools of the P5 that matter will push the other 123 schools.

Sometimes G5 programs can backfill with talent but when a coach leaves, I find it wrong that they can cherry pick their best players without recourse to the program they are leaving.

For NFL fans, imagine a world in which a position coach is hired to be a coordinator or a coordinator to a Head Coach. Imagine a world where Eric Bienemy gets the Washington job and takes Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, etc. with him. People would riot.

interesting and haven't thought of that before. I suppose some P5s are contacting our guys halfway through the season with 6 figure offers and our guys know they're going to accept, so they stop caring so much about the current team and season. They obviously don't care about playing in the bowls as they can't once they enter. So thats not a motivation any more. They've mentally checked out and moved on to the next employee. Like when a person gives their two weeks notice (only they haven't given said notice publicly) and they stop working as hard. Our best receiver (who wound up entering the portal) had a down period and didnt end the season as strong. Now I have to wonder if he just got some offers and checked out. Even if only subconsciously, and it affects performance.

Look at Coastal this past two years and then the number of dudes who left. Makes perfect sense.

You might think the players that will go to the portal are playing with less interest, but they’re probably giving less effort to not get hurt as well.

(12-02-2023 10:36 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 09:59 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 07:55 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 11:27 PM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(12-01-2023 09:53 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Of course it will...football season is almost over

We are getting gutted!

Welcome to the FBS...

That gif is freakishly accurate. The crazy thing is, the regular season hasn't been over for a week.

How long will this type of thing last? I wonder if creating a portal window had the unintended consequence of accelerating these types of changes. Pretty clear that Coastal checked out two years in a row and I wonder if some of that wasn't related to mid-season portal offers and NIL deals being sent to players.

**** is ruining college football. People typically hold allegiance to college programs because they have some ties to a university through family, friends, proximity, alumni, etc. Professional football is different in that its purely based, usually, on proximity or success. If that's where the money is, that's where the 10 schools of the P5 that matter will push the other 123 schools.

Sometimes G5 programs can backfill with talent but when a coach leaves, I find it wrong that they can cherry pick their best players without recourse to the program they are leaving.

For NFL fans, imagine a world in which a position coach is hired to be a coordinator or a coordinator to a Head Coach. Imagine a world where Eric Bienemy gets the Washington job and takes Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, etc. with him. People would riot.

interesting and haven't thought of that before. I suppose some P5s are contacting our guys halfway through the season with 6 figure offers and our guys know they're going to accept, so they stop caring so much about the current team and season. They obviously don't care about playing in the bowls as they can't once they enter. So thats not a motivation any more. They've mentally checked out and moved on to the next employee. Like when a person gives their two weeks notice (only they haven't given said notice publicly) and they stop working as hard. Our best receiver (who wound up entering the portal) had a down period and didnt end the season as strong. Now I have to wonder if he just got some offers and checked out. Even if only subconsciously, and it affects performance.

Look at Coastal this past two years and then the number of dudes who left. Makes perfect sense.

It's like when the rookie contracts are coming up for the small market franchises.

(12-02-2023 09:53 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 09:29 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  Would it be too much for G5 leagues to essentially include a buy out clause in player scholarship contracts? What I mean is let’s say your Coastal and you get a record signing class I mean high 3 stars etc and you know without a shadow of a doubt that these kids are gone come their jr season etc, couldn’t you then do what the service academies do and include in the contract that the university has you 4 years that you can transfer out etc but the second you do you owe the school back pay from the scholarships so 3 years at coastal would be 72k (or more if you want to add equipment costs expenses etc.) owed in some way back the university. Which would either be coming out of the players pocket, out of the NIL or the transfer schools pocket. It would stop lesser players (who would still be a asset) from transferring because because not only they statistically don’t have luck on their side and more than likely are either not moving up and are dropping down to the FCS who can’t pay for essentially 3-4 guys for one. It’ll slow down mid to major level P5s from picking them up because not only are you paying essentially 4 players for 1 and that would take a significant chunk from their NIL. I mean the talent loss would be slowed immediately if people are having to pay somehow 50-100k and if the guy gets indignant just bench him

Can’t do that.

How so?

(12-02-2023 11:22 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 09:53 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(12-02-2023 09:29 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  Would it be too much for G5 leagues to essentially include a buy out clause in player scholarship contracts? What I mean is let’s say your Coastal and you get a record signing class I mean high 3 stars etc and you know without a shadow of a doubt that these kids are gone come their jr season etc, couldn’t you then do what the service academies do and include in the contract that the university has you 4 years that you can transfer out etc but the second you do you owe the school back pay from the scholarships so 3 years at coastal would be 72k (or more if you want to add equipment costs expenses etc.) owed in some way back the university. Which would either be coming out of the players pocket, out of the NIL or the transfer schools pocket. It would stop lesser players (who would still be a asset) from transferring because because not only they statistically don’t have luck on their side and more than likely are either not moving up and are dropping down to the FCS who can’t pay for essentially 3-4 guys for one. It’ll slow down mid to major level P5s from picking them up because not only are you paying essentially 4 players for 1 and that would take a significant chunk from their NIL. I mean the talent loss would be slowed immediately if people are having to pay somehow 50-100k and if the guy gets indignant just bench him

Can’t do that.

How so?

An NIL company could do that. A school could not. The problem is, unless you're offering far more than anyone else, no one is going to sign that contract.

I absolutely hate NIL and the portal…the portal more than anything. It makes it really hard to be a fan of the G5.

(12-02-2023 11:52 AM)Big Buds Wrote:  I absolutely hate NIL and the portal…the portal more than anything. It makes it really hard to be a fan of the G5.

Good, good. It's about time everyone converted to State U. Now to The Purges.