Michigan is butt hurt over the Spygate, Harbaugh situation to the point they threatened to say F OFF Big Ten.

SO ...


Who is paired with Michigan to the SEC?

Or maybe Jim Phillips exceeds his abilities and lands the Big North Cheat Machine.

(11-13-2023 07:29 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Michigan is butt hurt over the Spygate, Harbaugh situation to the point they threatened to say F OFF Big Ten.

SO ...

Who is paired with Michigan to the SEC?

Or maybe Jim Phillips exceeds his abilities and lands the Big North Cheat Machine.

Wouldn't that be something?

I suggested in a different thread that it could be interesting if the group of:

Michigan, Michigan state, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland

went to espn and said they would join the ACC if they a.) offered an SEC-like media deal and b.) made room (Ohio state, for example, has repeatedly shown they do not seem to like to be in a large, expanding, conference).

So espn and the ACC decide that 4 are going to the SEC (FSU, Clemson, NC, and Louisville) - bringing them to 20.

And WF gets a payoff/long-term scheduling deal to go to another conference.

That's 5 removed.

[And yes, I think that espn and the ACC would leverage whatever necessary to add MI, OSU, PSU, et al. It adds markets, and football and basketball powers.]

The ACC adds the 6 plus USF (because they want that Florida coverage).

The Big10 backfills with the 4Cs, and the other 4 from the former Big8 (Kansas, Kansas state, Iowa state, and Oklahoma state)

The new ACC - 19+ND
Notre Dame*, Michigan, Michigan state, Ohio state, Pittsburgh, Penn state, Syracuse, Rutgers, Boston College, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina state, Duke, Georgia Tech, USF, Miami, SMU, Cal, Stanford

The new Big10 - 20
Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa state, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas, state, Oklahoma state, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona state, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington

That pretty much creates a P3 of 20 schools each, that are roughly regional.

(11-13-2023 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 10:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 10:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 05:26 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Merge the ACC and SEC and do some sort of Franken-schedule.

24-teams, 2 12-team leagues with promotion and relegation.

Add Kansas and get Notre Dame to join in full, and why not everything they would want would be here. Pick up South Florida just to eliminate Big 10 interest in the state and move to a conference of 36. The six division champs advance to the CFP.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

California, Louisville, Miami, Notre Dame, Stanford, S.M.U.

Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia


Notre Dame gets an away and home California team every year, a Texas team in their division, a Florida team in their division, a New England team in their division every year, and still has access to Georgia with 2 teams and Louisiana.

I think that sews up Conference ESPN.

First of all JR, you can't keep Vanderbilt and drop Wake Forest.
Plus you probably won't be able to take any of the Big 12 teams (you'll have to lose West Virginia and Kansas).

LOL, if it comes to further consolidation and the ACC is involved it will be out of your hands and out of the SEC's. ESPN will likely just tell us who they will pay for in a move and that's the way it will go down. Were in strange times X and they look to get a lot stranger. Whether we wind up with 20, 24, or more will be determined by the networks. Sankey would likely get to draw up a list of which schools he would prefer and then ESPN will more or less match them up. It will be after all about ESPN seeking to keep what they want to hold onto, more than the SEC expanding.

Get real, JR.
Any movement to a P2 is going to require a lot of negotiation between FOX and ESPN to divide somewhat equitably.

I give you two groups of 36, feel free to move things around, but it won't be the lopsided grouping that you wrote earlier.
The ESPN team, 25 schools east of the Mississippi, 11 to the west.
Maryland, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, UVa, VT, UNC, Wake, NCSU, Duke, S. Car. Clemson, GT, UGa, Fla., FSU, UCF, USF, Miami, Ala, Aub, MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, Tenn.

Missouri, Ark, LSU, Ok, TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Tex, A&M, Houston.

The FOX team:
WSU, Wash, Ore, OSU Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Ariz, ASU, Utah, Colorado, BYU.
Nebraska, KSU, Kan, OK St, Minn , Iowa, ISU, Wisc, NW, Ill, Ind, Purdue, Notre Dame, Mich, MSU, Ohio St, Cinn, Pitt, PSU, Temple, Syr, BC. Rut.

(11-13-2023 09:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 10:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 10:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  24-teams, 2 12-team leagues with promotion and relegation.

Add Kansas and get Notre Dame to join in full, and why not everything they would want would be here. Pick up South Florida just to eliminate Big 10 interest in the state and move to a conference of 36. The six division champs advance to the CFP.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

California, Louisville, Miami, Notre Dame, Stanford, S.M.U.

Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia


Notre Dame gets an away and home California team every year, a Texas team in their division, a Florida team in their division, a New England team in their division every year, and still has access to Georgia with 2 teams and Louisiana.

I think that sews up Conference ESPN.

First of all JR, you can't keep Vanderbilt and drop Wake Forest.
Plus you probably won't be able to take any of the Big 12 teams (you'll have to lose West Virginia and Kansas).

LOL, if it comes to further consolidation and the ACC is involved it will be out of your hands and out of the SEC's. ESPN will likely just tell us who they will pay for in a move and that's the way it will go down. Were in strange times X and they look to get a lot stranger. Whether we wind up with 20, 24, or more will be determined by the networks. Sankey would likely get to draw up a list of which schools he would prefer and then ESPN will more or less match them up. It will be after all about ESPN seeking to keep what they want to hold onto, more than the SEC expanding.

Get real, JR.
Any movement to a P2 is going to require a lot of negotiation between FOX and ESPN to divide somewhat equitably.

I give you two groups of 36, feel free to move things around, but it won't be the lopsided grouping that you wrote earlier.
The ESPN team, 25 schools east of the Mississippi, 11 to the west.
Maryland, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, UVa, VT, UNC, Wake, NCSU, Duke, S. Car. Clemson, GT, UGa, Fla., FSU, UCF, USF, Miami, Ala, Aub, MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, Tenn.

Missouri, Ark, LSU, Ok, TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Tex, A&M, Houston.

The FOX team:
WSU, Wash, Ore, OSU Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Ariz, ASU, Utah, Colorado, BYU.
Nebraska, KSU, Kan, OK St, Minn , Iowa, ISU, Wisc, NW, Ill, Ind, Purdue, Notre Dame, Mich, MSU, Ohio St, Cinn, Pitt, PSU, Temple, Syr, BC. Rut.

Why am I not surprised about the bolded team?? Gotta look out for those Deacs, eh Xlance????

(11-13-2023 10:08 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 09:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 10:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Add Kansas and get Notre Dame to join in full, and why not everything they would want would be here. Pick up South Florida just to eliminate Big 10 interest in the state and move to a conference of 36. The six division champs advance to the CFP.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest

California, Louisville, Miami, Notre Dame, Stanford, S.M.U.

Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia


Notre Dame gets an away and home California team every year, a Texas team in their division, a Florida team in their division, a New England team in their division every year, and still has access to Georgia with 2 teams and Louisiana.

I think that sews up Conference ESPN.

First of all JR, you can't keep Vanderbilt and drop Wake Forest.
Plus you probably won't be able to take any of the Big 12 teams (you'll have to lose West Virginia and Kansas).

LOL, if it comes to further consolidation and the ACC is involved it will be out of your hands and out of the SEC's. ESPN will likely just tell us who they will pay for in a move and that's the way it will go down. Were in strange times X and they look to get a lot stranger. Whether we wind up with 20, 24, or more will be determined by the networks. Sankey would likely get to draw up a list of which schools he would prefer and then ESPN will more or less match them up. It will be after all about ESPN seeking to keep what they want to hold onto, more than the SEC expanding.

Get real, JR.
Any movement to a P2 is going to require a lot of negotiation between FOX and ESPN to divide somewhat equitably.

I give you two groups of 36, feel free to move things around, but it won't be the lopsided grouping that you wrote earlier.
The ESPN team, 25 schools east of the Mississippi, 11 to the west.
Maryland, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, UVa, VT, UNC, Wake, NCSU, Duke, S. Car. Clemson, GT, UGa, Fla., FSU, UCF, USF, Miami, Ala, Aub, MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, Tenn.

Missouri, Ark, LSU, Ok, TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Tex, A&M, Houston.

The FOX team:
WSU, Wash, Ore, OSU Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Ariz, ASU, Utah, Colorado, BYU.
Nebraska, KSU, Kan, OK St, Minn , Iowa, ISU, Wisc, NW, Ill, Ind, Purdue, Notre Dame, Mich, MSU, Ohio St, Cinn, Pitt, PSU, Temple, Syr, BC. Rut.

Why am I not surprised about the bolded team?? Gotta look out for those Deacs, eh Xlance????

I was more surprised by ND in the B1G.

(11-13-2023 11:46 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 10:08 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 09:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 02:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  First of all JR, you can't keep Vanderbilt and drop Wake Forest.
Plus you probably won't be able to take any of the Big 12 teams (you'll have to lose West Virginia and Kansas).

LOL, if it comes to further consolidation and the ACC is involved it will be out of your hands and out of the SEC's. ESPN will likely just tell us who they will pay for in a move and that's the way it will go down. Were in strange times X and they look to get a lot stranger. Whether we wind up with 20, 24, or more will be determined by the networks. Sankey would likely get to draw up a list of which schools he would prefer and then ESPN will more or less match them up. It will be after all about ESPN seeking to keep what they want to hold onto, more than the SEC expanding.

Get real, JR.
Any movement to a P2 is going to require a lot of negotiation between FOX and ESPN to divide somewhat equitably.

I give you two groups of 36, feel free to move things around, but it won't be the lopsided grouping that you wrote earlier.
The ESPN team, 25 schools east of the Mississippi, 11 to the west.
Maryland, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, UVa, VT, UNC, Wake, NCSU, Duke, S. Car. Clemson, GT, UGa, Fla., FSU, UCF, USF, Miami, Ala, Aub, MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, Tenn.

Missouri, Ark, LSU, Ok, TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Tex, A&M, Houston.

The FOX team:
WSU, Wash, Ore, OSU Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Ariz, ASU, Utah, Colorado, BYU.
Nebraska, KSU, Kan, OK St, Minn , Iowa, ISU, Wisc, NW, Ill, Ind, Purdue, Notre Dame, Mich, MSU, Ohio St, Cinn, Pitt, PSU, Temple, Syr, BC. Rut.

Why am I not surprised about the bolded team?? Gotta look out for those Deacs, eh Xlance????

I was more surprised by ND in the B1G.

Not really when you consider that Xlance is a Deac\Heel fan. He blames ND for the ACC's problems and knows that Notre Dame fans detest the B1G. Think about XLance's name and then look at WFU's school crest. That will tell you all you need to know, IMO.

What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

(11-14-2023 01:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

Chi= X
Rho= Lance

There you go.

As for Wake Forest, I thought you might say that. The issue at stake here is not so much leaving Wake behind as it is realizing that Wake, as much as you guys love it like we in the SEC love Vandy, can't keep up in a pay for play world, at least in at least foitball. Notice I said "at least football." In Olympics, there is a decent chance that Wake could keep up in a pay for play world. And in addition, no one, except possibly the legislature on a game, is telling NC State and UNC how to schedule their OOC football games. Oregon intends to keep the Battle for the Platypus rivalry going with Oregon State OOC, so there's your blueprint!!

(11-14-2023 08:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 01:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

Chi= X
Rho= Lance

There you go.

As for Wake Forest, I thought you might say that. The issue at stake here is not so much leaving Wake behind as it is realizing that Wake, as much as you guys love it like we in the SEC love Vandy, can't keep up in a pay for play world, at least in at least foitball. Notice I said "at least football." In Olympics, there is a decent chance that Wake could keep up in a pay for play world. And in addition, no one, except possibly the legislature on a game, is telling NC State and UNC how to schedule their OOC football games. Oregon intends to keep the Battle for the Platypus rivalry going with Oregon State OOC, so there's your blueprint!!

It’s a NC thang that rational people don’t understand.

(11-14-2023 08:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 01:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

Chi= X
Rho= Lance

There you go.

As for Wake Forest, I thought you might say that. The issue at stake here is not so much leaving Wake behind as it is realizing that Wake, as much as you guys love it like we in the SEC love Vandy, can't keep up in a pay for play world, at least in at least foitball. Notice I said "at least football." In Olympics, there is a decent chance that Wake could keep up in a pay for play world. And in addition, no one, except possibly the legislature on a game, is telling NC State and UNC how to schedule their OOC football games. Oregon intends to keep the Battle for the Platypus rivalry going with Oregon State OOC, so there's your blueprint!!

Conspiracy theories aside, nobody knows what pay for play looks like, and you're insinuating NC State will pay its players more than Wake. Do they pay their professors more? Their janitors?

Universities will need to be paying football players no more than their female golfers. If you believe otherwise, well, you obviously haven't set foot on a college campus in some time. In fact, this is even more strict at the public universities where they will be state government employees. As an aside, no more "suspended" for team rules. Your arse is fired for smoking dope, son!

(11-14-2023 08:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 01:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

Chi= X
Rho= Lance

There you go.

As for Wake Forest, I thought you might say that. The issue at stake here is not so much leaving Wake behind as it is realizing that Wake, as much as you guys love it like we in the SEC love Vandy, can't keep up in a pay for play world, at least in at least foitball. Notice I said "at least football." In Olympics, there is a decent chance that Wake could keep up in a pay for play world. And in addition, no one, except possibly the legislature on a game, is telling NC State and UNC how to schedule their OOC football games. Oregon intends to keep the Battle for the Platypus rivalry going with Oregon State OOC, so there's your blueprint!!

There was a thread a while back about how each poster came about their screen name. I responded and explained the story of XLance. If you are so concerned about my screen name, you can find the thread and look it up.

Also if you dig deep into my posting history, you will note that I am a member of the Sigma Chi Fraternity (although that has nothing to do with my screen name), and that my sister holds Advanced Degrees from Wake Forest and Duke (UG from Carolina, just like me).

You should pay more attention to the insights that Southern Conference Boy is trying to pass on to you. If you know the history, then you won't have to assume.

(11-14-2023 08:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 08:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 01:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

Chi= X
Rho= Lance

There you go.

As for Wake Forest, I thought you might say that. The issue at stake here is not so much leaving Wake behind as it is realizing that Wake, as much as you guys love it like we in the SEC love Vandy, can't keep up in a pay for play world, at least in at least foitball. Notice I said "at least football." In Olympics, there is a decent chance that Wake could keep up in a pay for play world. And in addition, no one, except possibly the legislature on a game, is telling NC State and UNC how to schedule their OOC football games. Oregon intends to keep the Battle for the Platypus rivalry going with Oregon State OOC, so there's your blueprint!!

Conspiracy theories aside, nobody knows what pay for play looks like, and you're insinuating NC State will pay its players more than Wake. Do they pay their professors more? Their janitors?

Universities will need to be paying football players no more than their female golfers. If you believe otherwise, well, you obviously haven't set foot on a college campus in some time. In fact, this is even more strict at the public universities where they will be state government employees. As an aside, no more "suspended" for team rules. Your arse is fired for smoking dope, son!

No, I was saying that Wake's admin would have a tougher time justifying paying their players compared to NC State. Private colleges have a finite money supply, IMO, especially compared to public colleges that can engage in deficit spending.

(11-14-2023 11:14 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 08:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 08:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 01:45 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  What does the Chi Rho at WF have to do with XLance? XLance is a denizen of the Piedmont Triad. That's Greensboro/High Point/Winston Salem.

He's a dyed in the wool Carolina Fan.

I realize that most universities across the nation are situated such that they are only existential rivals but the fact that graduates from NC State, Duke, and UNC do not hate Wake Forest and have a difficult time accepting a league without Wake Forest comes from 12 decades of association with them Everyone from the Piedmont to Tennessee line has a relative whose life was saved at Wake Forest Baptist Hospital. Every social club of note has several WF law school or medical school graduates with their bow ties peppered in with everyone else.

The way the politics work in NC it is very, very, difficult to do anything that royally screws over Wake Forest because that means screwing over the Triad.

No they are not "profitable" but everyone who is anyone in the ACC likes them. I suspect the same thing holds for Vandy even though they are not "profitable".

If there is a merger, it will be difficult to keep WF out if Vandy is in. I'm not at all saying that it's logical, just human nature.

Chi= X
Rho= Lance

There you go.

As for Wake Forest, I thought you might say that. The issue at stake here is not so much leaving Wake behind as it is realizing that Wake, as much as you guys love it like we in the SEC love Vandy, can't keep up in a pay for play world, at least in at least foitball. Notice I said "at least football." In Olympics, there is a decent chance that Wake could keep up in a pay for play world. And in addition, no one, except possibly the legislature on a game, is telling NC State and UNC how to schedule their OOC football games. Oregon intends to keep the Battle for the Platypus rivalry going with Oregon State OOC, so there's your blueprint!!

Conspiracy theories aside, nobody knows what pay for play looks like, and you're insinuating NC State will pay its players more than Wake. Do they pay their professors more? Their janitors?

Universities will need to be paying football players no more than their female golfers. If you believe otherwise, well, you obviously haven't set foot on a college campus in some time. In fact, this is even more strict at the public universities where they will be state government employees. As an aside, no more "suspended" for team rules. Your arse is fired for smoking dope, son!

No, I was saying that Wake's admin would have a tougher time justifying paying their players compared to NC State. Private colleges have a finite money supply, IMO, especially compared to public colleges that can engage in deficit spending.

Public schools in NC can't engage in deficit spending and their athletic departments are component units that are accounted for like the water and sewer system or electric system of a city. The gross deficits you are referencing is in MD, NJ, etc., places where the accounting rules are loose to the point of near non-existence. Do that in NC and someone in the finance department will be prosecuted. In fact the private school can set tuition where it likes and raise it's money for sports as it sees fit.

Dawg, if you live in Alabama what frame of reference do you have for the finances of an elite private university? There are no such entities in Alabama, Florida, or Mississippi. The nearest beasts like that to you are Vandy, Tulane, Emory, and WF.

The Bama and Auburn endowments only have about $1.1-1.2 B each.

WF has $2. B, Vandy has 10 B, Emory has 12 B and even poor Tulane has 1.7 B.

You and Bama, NC State, Clemson, West Va, FSU, VT, MSU, and others are "poor" compared to UNC, Texas, Duke, UVa, TAMU, UF, Vandy, Pitt, etc., etc.

"Poor" compared to means that you are the equivalent of a couple with a combined annual income of $250K a year living in a world amongst people who are inter-generational wealthy. They don't have "good jobs with great salaries" they have trust funds from grand daddy and great granddaddy.

The constraints you have in Alabama are not shared by about half of the P-4. TV revenue makes up for some of it, but nothing makes up for a boatload of billionaire alums.

It roughs out like this:

Money Access in the P-4 - Endowment and/or Billionaires

Filthy Rich - NW, ND, Duke, UVa, Stanford, Texas, TAMU, USC, Vandy, Michigan
Wealthy - Ohio State, UNC, Pitt, Oklahoma, SMU, Cal, PSU, BC
Solid - GT, Minn, Washington, Oregon, Iowa, Wisky, MSU, Purdue, Florida, Indiana, Illinois

So ends the top half of the P-4.
Here is the bottom half:

Top of the "working class" NC State, Mizzou, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas Tech, UK, Georgia
Middle of the "working class" Bama, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Utah, Iowa State
Everyone else - everyone else

(11-13-2023 09:17 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 07:29 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Michigan is butt hurt over the Spygate, Harbaugh situation to the point they threatened to say F OFF Big Ten.

SO ...

Who is paired with Michigan to the SEC?

Or maybe Jim Phillips exceeds his abilities and lands the Big North Cheat Machine.

Wouldn't that be something?

I suggested in a different thread that it could be interesting if the group of:

Michigan, Michigan state, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, and Maryland

went to espn and said they would join the ACC if they a.) offered an SEC-like media deal and b.) made room (Ohio state, for example, has repeatedly shown they do not seem to like to be in a large, expanding, conference).

So espn and the ACC decide that 4 are going to the SEC (FSU, Clemson, NC, and Louisville) - bringing them to 20.

.......

If I'm being picky, I would prefer staying in the ACC in your scenario.

But the SEC would be an ok landing spot.

(11-14-2023 02:37 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Dawg, if you live in Alabama what frame of reference do you have for the finances of an elite private university? There are no such entities in Alabama, Florida, or Mississippi. The nearest beasts like that to you are Vandy, Tulane, Emory, and WF.

The Bama and Auburn endowments only have about $1.1-1.2 B each.

WF has $2. B, Vandy has 10 B, Emory has 12 B and even poor Tulane has 1.7 B.

You and Bama, NC State, Clemson, West Va, FSU, VT, MSU, and others are "poor" compared to UNC, Texas, Duke, UVa, TAMU, UF, Vandy, Pitt, etc., etc.

"Poor" compared to means that you are the equivalent of a couple with a combined annual income of $250K a year living in a world amongst people who are inter-generational wealthy. They don't have "good jobs with great salaries" they have trust funds from grand daddy and great granddaddy.

The constraints you have in Alabama are not shared by about half of the P-4. TV revenue makes up for some of it, but nothing makes up for a boatload of billionaire alums.

It roughs out like this:

Money Access in the P-4 - Endowment and/or Billionaires

Filthy Rich - NW, ND, Duke, UVa, Stanford, Texas, TAMU, USC, Vandy, Michigan
Wealthy - Ohio State, UNC, Pitt, Oklahoma, SMU, Cal, PSU, BC
Solid - GT, Minn, Washington, Oregon, Iowa, Wisky, MSU, Purdue, Florida, Indiana, Illinois

So ends the top half of the P-4.
Here is the bottom half:

Top of the "working class" NC State, Mizzou, Colorado, Nebraska, Texas Tech, UK, Georgia
Middle of the "working class" Bama, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Utah, Iowa State
Everyone else - everyone else

Frame of reference for elite private schools:

Elite Private schools:

Any random Ivy League school, Duke, Stanford, USC, Notre Dame, Emory, Rice,

Well-known, but not Elite private schools:

Wake, Vandy, Tulane, Miami, SMU, Mercer, Samford (AL), TCU, Baylor, BYU, any random Big East school, Furman, Howard, etc.

Small, private schools:

Anything resembling the typical MAAC school and smaller.

Being in the ACC wouldn't have saved Auburn from New Mexico State.

(11-18-2023 09:15 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Being in the ACC wouldn't have saved Auburn from New Mexico State.

Coach Jerry Kill is the exact coach that the Aggies have needed for years, IMO. I think they felt like their backs were to the wall prior to joining C-USA. I'd dare say that NM State could have given UGA a run for its money. The Aggies would still lose, but the game would be close and one for the ages, IMO.