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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
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(11-09-2023 12:15 PM)nole Wrote:  FSU was always where the $$ was and the ACC still sided against it most of the time. It won't be a logical decision.

Which of the ACC's past decisions was logical?

Conference which sided towards bball when 85% of the revenue came from football.

Duke/UNC/UVa no longer have the stranglehold on the ACC that they once had.

lol

What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

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We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-17-2023 07:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:56 PM)nole Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Duke/UNC/UVa no longer have the stranglehold on the ACC that they once had.

lol

What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

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We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.

7, ND doesn't vote with Tobacco Road either.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-16-2023 01:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(11-07-2023 10:08 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ....
However this season ends, win or lose, expectations have been raised.

As far as this season goes I don’t believe Louisville would get in the CFP if they were undefeated and won The ACC championship game, college football politics as they are.
....

Any undefeated conference champ above G5 level will definitely get into the playoffs.

Any one-loss team (that isn't SEC champ) needs a lucky roll. There are only four spots.

Some ESPN talking heads are now talking about the possibility of unbeaten ACC champ FSU not making the playoff. Crazy in my opinion.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-18-2023 12:36 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-16-2023 01:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(11-07-2023 10:08 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ....
However this season ends, win or lose, expectations have been raised.

As far as this season goes I don’t believe Louisville would get in the CFP if they were undefeated and won The ACC championship game, college football politics as they are.
....

Any undefeated conference champ above G5 level will definitely get into the playoffs.

Any one-loss team (that isn't SEC champ) needs a lucky roll. There are only four spots.

Some ESPN talking heads are now talking about the possibility of unbeaten ACC champ FSU not making the playoff. Crazy in my opinion.

For a network that supposedly has the ACC’s back, they sure don’t seem like it.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:56 PM)nole Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 12:15 PM)nole Wrote:  FSU was always where the $$ was and the ACC still sided against it most of the time. It won't be a logical decision.

Which of the ACC's past decisions was logical?

Conference which sided towards bball when 85% of the revenue came from football.

Duke/UNC/UVa no longer have the stranglehold on the ACC that they once had.

lol

What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

04-jawdrop

We gave them a vote?

ACC Tourney in NYC, anyone?
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-17-2023 07:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:56 PM)nole Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Duke/UNC/UVa no longer have the stranglehold on the ACC that they once had.

lol

What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

04-jawdrop

We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.

If Tobacco Road and the Big East schools had their way, UConn would be in the ACC now instead of Louisville.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-06-2023 11:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-06-2023 10:35 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  Will the Selection Committee take a 12-1 Louisville ACC Champ over SEC/B1G 2nd place team? Or is FSU the only ACC team with a legitimate shot at the CFP?

I think we get snubbed. That Pittsburgh loss will be our undoing.

Since the CFP takes the "Top 4", it depends a lot on what other teams do. If there are 4 unbeaten P5's then a 1-loss will have a hard time. If it comes down to, say, 1-loss Texas or 1-loss Louisville, you know who they'll pick... but if it's 1-loss Louisville vs., say, 1-loss Oregon State... you have a decent shot!

Oregon State has two losses.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-18-2023 12:57 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 12:36 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-16-2023 01:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(11-07-2023 10:08 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ....
However this season ends, win or lose, expectations have been raised.

As far as this season goes I don’t believe Louisville would get in the CFP if they were undefeated and won The ACC championship game, college football politics as they are.
....

Any undefeated conference champ above G5 level will definitely get into the playoffs.

Any one-loss team (that isn't SEC champ) needs a lucky roll. There are only four spots.

Some ESPN talking heads are now talking about the possibility of unbeaten ACC champ FSU not making the playoff. Crazy in my opinion.

For a network that supposedly has the ACC’s back, they sure don’t seem like it.

Oh They have their SEC darlings to cuddle up with now
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-18-2023 05:02 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 12:57 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 12:36 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-16-2023 01:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(11-07-2023 10:08 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ....
However this season ends, win or lose, expectations have been raised.

As far as this season goes I don’t believe Louisville would get in the CFP if they were undefeated and won The ACC championship game, college football politics as they are.
....

Any undefeated conference champ above G5 level will definitely get into the playoffs.

Any one-loss team (that isn't SEC champ) needs a lucky roll. There are only four spots.

Some ESPN talking heads are now talking about the possibility of unbeaten ACC champ FSU not making the playoff. Crazy in my opinion.

For a network that supposedly has the ACC’s back, they sure don’t seem like it.

Oh They have their SEC darlings to cuddle up with now

Too many ESPN talking heads are SEC lackeys. Fortunately, the decision on CFP participation is made by a committee that is more balanced.

FWIW - I’m surprised ESPN that isn’t whining about Michigan, or the chances of two B1G teams making the playoffs.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-18-2023 05:50 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
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(11-18-2023 12:57 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 12:36 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(11-16-2023 01:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Any undefeated conference champ above G5 level will definitely get into the playoffs.

Any one-loss team (that isn't SEC champ) needs a lucky roll. There are only four spots.

Some ESPN talking heads are now talking about the possibility of unbeaten ACC champ FSU not making the playoff. Crazy in my opinion.

For a network that supposedly has the ACC’s back, they sure don’t seem like it.

Oh They have their SEC darlings to cuddle up with now

Too many ESPN talking heads are SEC lackeys. Fortunately, the decision on CFP participation is made by a committee that is more balanced.

FWIW - I’m surprised ESPN that isn’t whining about Michigan, or the chances of two B1G teams making the playoffs.

I don't see a scenario this year where any conference gets two teams in the Playoff. It would be hard to justify leaving out a one loss Pac 12 team or a one loss Texas in favor of a non champion Ohio State, Michigan, or Georgia. Total chaos would have to happen. Louisville is the only one loss conference champion you can justify taking a non champion over because of the Pittsburgh loss.
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Stars seem to be aligning in a weird way with FSU QB Travis Jordan injured today. ACC can't afford for FSU to lose to Northern Alabama
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(11-18-2023 07:34 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Stars seem to be aligning in a weird way with FSU QB Travis Jordan injured today. ACC can't afford for FSU to lose to Northern Alabama

The back up QB is pretty good himself, so he won’t lose this game. The defense just needs to quit biting on the trick plays.
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Praying for Travis. That's an ugly injury. Somethings are bigger than winning a football game. Can't celebrate a big win over Miami seeing that happen to the quarterback of the best team in the league.
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I absolutely hate it for Jordan Travis ... he's a great kid.

But the last time we played FSU we were in control, then we dinged Travis. In comes Tate Rodemaker (or whatever his name is) and he "discovered" Johnny Wilson, and they rallied to win the game.

The Noles have talented back ups.

It still sucks losing Jordan in that way.


I'm rooting hard for Oregon State, and Iowa State tonight. Hang a loss on Washington, and a second loss on Texas ...
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(11-18-2023 04:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 07:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 01:56 PM)nole Wrote:  lol

What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

04-jawdrop

We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.

If Tobacco Road and the Big East schools had their way, UConn would be in the ACC now instead of Louisville.

WRONG!


The only BE schools that were in the ACC with voting rights when Louisville was invited was BC, Miami and VT. You really think any of those schools would have voted for Uconn over Louisville? Syracuse did not have voting rights at the time but did reccomend Louisville over Uconn. Dont know who Pitt would have reccomended, but I have a hard time believing Pitt would have gone for Uconn over Louisville.
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(11-18-2023 08:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 04:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 07:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-09-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

04-jawdrop

We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.

If Tobacco Road and the Big East schools had their way, UConn would be in the ACC now instead of Louisville.

WRONG!


The only BE schools that were in the ACC with voting rights when Louisville was invited was BC, Miami and VT. You really think any of those schools would have voted for Uconn over Louisville? Syracuse did not have voting rights at the time but did reccomend Louisville over Uconn. Dont know who Pitt would have reccomended, but I have a hard time believing Pitt would have gone for Uconn over Louisville.

Syracuse is idiotic for wanting Louisville over Connecticut. Syracuse and UConn are long time Big East rivals and geographically closer. They're the team Syracuse would want in the conference more than anyone else. Maybe that's the reason Syracuse never felt at home in the Big East in men's basketball and most of the rest of the conference finds Syracuse an outlier.

Pittsburgh? Geographically it would probably be even and Pittsburgh-UConn isn't anywhere near Syracuse-UConn so it probably wouldn't make as much a difference to them who got in.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
If it came down to UConn or UL, the easy answer is UL. But I always felt UConn was a good move to further bring the NE audience to the ACC and simultaneously strengthen ACC basketball.

Besides suing the ACC nearly 20 years ago, I think the big knock against them is that they wouid compete with SU and BC in their own recruiting territory, similar to why FSU allegedly wouid try to block another Florida team. The solution is to increase your recruiting budget which they should do anyway if they want to get over the hump.

I theorize another reason why UConn does not get consideration is that a lot of the old ACC hates playing the northern schools and the northern schools want to play more games in the south. You may notice how little UVA, Duke and UNC sacrifice on their schedules while the rest of the conference takes major hits. Time after time this was demonstrated after expansion:

2005 - Duke, UNC, UVA stick together in the same division. The 2 most northern teams (BC, UMD) in the opposite division,

2013 - SU and Pitt joins, good opportunity to split the NE teams, instead they are stuck in the same division. The Atlantic division has 3 of 4 of the most northern teams, creates a huge travel burden on FSU especially.

2014 - UL replaces UMd: Another squandered opportunity to maximize better tv matchups, balance out divisional strength and/or geographical balance.

2023 - the first divisionless season: I don’t have much to complain about what FSU got from a fan’s perspective, it seems the AD really liked having SU as an annual. Overall this was a more balanced arrangement in all respects than having divisions.

2024 - SMU, Cal, Stan join - Again, I have little to complain about from an FSU fan perspective. However, FSU went from playing everybody every other year to getting VT and UL twice in 7 years and picking up Wake and BC 4 times in that same 7 year period. If you add up that FSU played both of them this season, then FSU will play them 5 times in 8 years. WTF?!

The ACC could have made it fair and simple with everyone given 2 annual games and rotated everyone else 3 times in 7 years, everyone had to make scheduling sacrifices, but UNC was treated special, giving them 3 annuals; 2 of them being within 20 miles of Chapel Hill. The travel budget for Carolina must be half of what FSU spends.


Long story short, UConn should send their Christmas cards to Charlottesville, Durham and Chapel Hill then maybe one day they can find it in their hearts to admit UConn in.
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RE: Does Louisville Get Snubbed If They Win Out?
(11-18-2023 08:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 04:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-17-2023 07:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
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(11-09-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What, you honestly think the former Big East schools vote with Tobacco Road? No way!

04-jawdrop

We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.

If Tobacco Road and the Big East schools had their way, UConn would be in the ACC now instead of Louisville.

WRONG!


The only BE schools that were in the ACC with voting rights when Louisville was invited was BC, Miami and VT. You really think any of those schools would have voted for Uconn over Louisville? Syracuse did not have voting rights at the time but did reccomend Louisville over Uconn. Dont know who Pitt would have reccomended, but I have a hard time believing Pitt would have gone for Uconn over Louisville.

You are correct. I would also suggest that VT was "never" a Big East school. VT was always a Southern Conference/ACC school that was exiled. UConn represents an existential rival in the BC media footprint and UConn represents a unacceptable rival for football recruiting for Syracuse.

While it is true that UVa, Duke, and UNC were pushing UConn that's it. WF for Louisville sealed their invitation.
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(11-19-2023 08:06 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 08:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 04:48 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
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(11-17-2023 02:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  04-jawdrop

We gave them a vote?

No, you gave them SIX votes.

If Tobacco Road and the Big East schools had their way, UConn would be in the ACC now instead of Louisville.

WRONG!


The only BE schools that were in the ACC with voting rights when Louisville was invited was BC, Miami and VT. You really think any of those schools would have voted for Uconn over Louisville? Syracuse did not have voting rights at the time but did reccomend Louisville over Uconn. Dont know who Pitt would have reccomended, but I have a hard time believing Pitt would have gone for Uconn over Louisville.

Syracuse is idiotic for wanting Louisville over Connecticut. Syracuse and UConn are long time Big East rivals and geographically closer. They're the team Syracuse would want in the conference more than anyone else. Maybe that's the reason Syracuse never felt at home in the Big East in men's basketball and most of the rest of the conference finds Syracuse an outlier.

Pittsburgh? Geographically it would probably be even and Pittsburgh-UConn isn't anywhere near Syracuse-UConn so it probably wouldn't make as much a difference to them who got in.

Except it was a Football decision, not a Basketball one. Don’t forget during that time Louisville was quite competitive in all sports during the few years up to our admissions in 2014 into the ACC including 2013 NCAA Basketball championship . UConn wasn’t exactly a household name in Football
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(11-19-2023 08:06 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-18-2023 08:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  ...Syracuse did not have voting rights at the time but did reccomend Louisville over Uconn. Dont know who Pitt would have reccomended, but I have a hard time believing Pitt would have gone for Uconn over Louisville.

Syracuse is idiotic for wanting Louisville over Connecticut. Syracuse and UConn are long time Big East rivals and geographically closer. They're the team Syracuse would want in the conference more than anyone else...

IDK, Schmolik... your bio says PSU and Villanova, but you always seem to have the hots for UConn (despite the fact that your 'Nova plays UConn in conference now). If it looks like a Huskie, talks like a Huskie, and acts like a Huskie...
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