Go Figure. The cheaters always cheat.


https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foot...ster-depth

Prior to his commitment, Bass discussed the unique opportunity presented to him by the Sooners.

“I wouldn’t be on a traditional scholarship at OU,” Bass told OUInsider. “I also wouldn’t be the generic preferred walk-on role either. I’d be handling my tuition through NIL. So that’s a nice perk to OU for sure; that’s definitely something that’s very new. I hadn’t really heard of it before and I don’t know if I would have if I wasn’t in the recruiting world. But it’s definitely a very unique opportunity.”

On Monday, offensive coordinator Jeff Lebby also talked about the program's creative way of adding extra scholarship spots.

"That has the opportunity just to create more depth in the roster," Lebby said. "Having 85 guys on scholarship and then being able to create different ways — those guys being able to use their platform, create NIL. And again, it just has the ability to create some real quality depth at some positions."

I guess the OU people are openly bragging about it because they are confident there will be no consequences. And I think they’re right. Sad, but that’s where we are today.

(09-04-2023 05:52 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote:  I guess the OU people are openly bragging about it because they are confident there will be no consequences. And I think they’re right. Sad, but that’s where we are today.

I believe that there will be consequences... the NCAA is just very slow.

They already sent notice to A$M about their shenanigans, and of course the Dog Worshipers said, "we don't care what the NCAA says, we will follow Texas Law". So there is a bit to be sorted out there.

The NCAA reiterated that NIL cannot be used for recruiting, and the NCAA "IS" the school Presidents, and they can take action (including kicking them out of the Association, and/or the death penalty)

Clearly this issue must be resolved, hopefully in the near term.

Aren't we all?

UCF has multiple players on NIL Deals that are not on scholarship. I imagine every P5 program has NIL deals with players not on scholarship.

Well until someone makes some rules about this nonsense this will continue.

But at least Shabazz Napier isn't starving anymore.

(09-05-2023 10:05 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Well until someone makes some rules about this nonsense this will continue.

But at least Shabazz Napier isn't starving anymore.

There are "rules", the method of enforcement is being determined.

DI board approves clarifications for interim NIL policy

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/10/26/med...olicy.aspx

(09-03-2023 11:15 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  Go Figure. The cheaters always cheat.


https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foot...ster-depth

Prior to his commitment, Bass discussed the unique opportunity presented to him by the Sooners.

“I wouldn’t be on a traditional scholarship at OU,” Bass told OUInsider. “I also wouldn’t be the generic preferred walk-on role either. I’d be handling my tuition through NIL. So that’s a nice perk to OU for sure; that’s definitely something that’s very new. I hadn’t really heard of it before and I don’t know if I would have if I wasn’t in the recruiting world. But it’s definitely a very unique opportunity.”

On Monday, offensive coordinator Jeff Lebby also talked about the program's creative way of adding extra scholarship spots.

"That has the opportunity just to create more depth in the roster," Lebby said. "Having 85 guys on scholarship and then being able to create different ways — those guys being able to use their platform, create NIL. And again, it just has the ability to create some real quality depth at some positions."

If you aren't cheating then you're not trying...

I have to laugh, just a little, how SMU got "the death penalty" for:
1) Literally doing what every other team in the SWC was doing at the time...
2) Doing literally what several other teams have been caught doing over the years but didn't get the same punishment...
3) Doing stuff "then" that is completely acceptable NOW.

Let's be honest here: rules are for suckers. People have ALWAYS pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable. Some, like SMU, get punished for it. Others, like Miami and Oklahoma, get lionized for it. Let's not forget, something as basic as "the forward pass" once pushed the margin of what was considered "the rules.'

And, if you don't think Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, and EVERY OTHER SCHOOL that cares about winning isn't using NIL to pad extra scholarships or outright pay guys to play, you're just naive.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

(09-05-2023 03:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 11:15 AM)CaliforniaCowboy Wrote:  Go Figure. The cheaters always cheat.


https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/foot...ster-depth

Prior to his commitment, Bass discussed the unique opportunity presented to him by the Sooners.

“I wouldn’t be on a traditional scholarship at OU,” Bass told OUInsider. “I also wouldn’t be the generic preferred walk-on role either. I’d be handling my tuition through NIL. So that’s a nice perk to OU for sure; that’s definitely something that’s very new. I hadn’t really heard of it before and I don’t know if I would have if I wasn’t in the recruiting world. But it’s definitely a very unique opportunity.”

On Monday, offensive coordinator Jeff Lebby also talked about the program's creative way of adding extra scholarship spots.

"That has the opportunity just to create more depth in the roster," Lebby said. "Having 85 guys on scholarship and then being able to create different ways — those guys being able to use their platform, create NIL. And again, it just has the ability to create some real quality depth at some positions."

If you aren't cheating then you're not trying...

I have to laugh, just a little, how SMU got "the death penalty" for:
1) Literally doing what every other team in the SWC was doing at the time...
2) Doing literally what several other teams have been caught doing over the years but didn't get the same punishment...
3) Doing stuff "then" that is completely acceptable NOW.

Let's be honest here: rules are for suckers. People have ALWAYS pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable. Some, like SMU, get punished for it. Others, like Miami and Oklahoma, get lionized for it. Let's not forget, something as basic as "the forward pass" once pushed the margin of what was considered "the rules.'

And, if you don't think Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, and EVERY OTHER SCHOOL that cares about winning isn't using NIL to pad extra scholarships or outright pay guys to play, you're just naive.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

naw... much of that is simply "old wives tales"... rumors. Half truths.

you missed the point. We already know that many teams are cheating using NIL to pay players and buy players... but this is DIFFERENT.

This is above and beyond what has been done previously with NIL.

This is back to the day of NO SCHOLARSHIP LIMITS, where OU and Texas and Nebraska (and a couple of others) rules the football landscape annually because they brought in unlimited numbers of players just to prevent other schools from getting them.

This is a huge development. MASSIVE

The NIL is the Devil Bobby Boucher

I'm not sure NIL deals to cover tuition for walk-ons is cheating. There aren't rules prohibiting it depending on the state they are in. In fact, BYU is going on season 3 (I believe--starting in 2021) of NIL deals for all members of the football team from a sponsor who is giving $1k to all scholarship players and covering the tuition for all walk-on players in exchange for promotional events and social media advertising.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...120059002/
From the story:
"The state of Utah...does not have a law restricting NIL endorsement deals for student-athletes, making this arrangement possible. The NCAA has opted not to enforce strict guidelines against any such agreements, allowing individual schools to establish their own policies."