(06-19-2023 01:00 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:39 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  freshtop, can you give us the 10,000 feet view of this uneven distribution ranging from Rice 323k to Middle Tenn 8.317M

The schools that left for other conferences probably have much lower net payouts either because:
-- They spent less time in the conference, thus had less time to qualify for payouts.
-- These are net payouts that reflect a deduction for exit fees imposed on departing schools.

The big payouts to the five remaining schools -- Louisiana Tech, Florida International, Texas-El Paso, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee -- might be fattened by the exit fees left behind by the other schools.

The puzzling aspect of this is, as Freshtop notes, the fact that Middle Tennessee received $3 million more than anyone else. It would be interesting to learn why that was.

I mean it's not as though they bring quality academics or a decent television market.... Those numbers are very strange.

(06-19-2023 12:39 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  freshtop, can you give us the 10,000 feet view of this uneven distribution ranging from Rice 323k to Middle Tenn 8.317M

The five holderovers got the lion's share because the AAC6 forfeit most league money as part of their exit. I am still unsure why MTSU got so much more (the only thing I can think of is that they agreed to take more now and less later for some reason).

The league does usually reimburse bowl travel expenses. I don't recall where MTSU went but surely it didn't cost 3 mil more than the next program.


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Maybe we get more because we are the only team left that has multiple trips and wins in the NCAA tournament. None of the remaining five have even been to the NCAA tournament in this last iteration of CUSA.

(06-20-2023 10:07 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:39 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  freshtop, can you give us the 10,000 feet view of this uneven distribution ranging from Rice 323k to Middle Tenn 8.317M

The five holderovers got the lion's share because the AAC6 forfeit most league money as part of their exit. I am still unsure why MTSU got so much more (the only thing I can think of is that they agreed to take more now and less later for some reason).

The league does usually reimburse bowl travel expenses. I don't recall where MTSU went but surely it didn't cost 3 mil more than the next program.


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Went to Hawaii and Bahamas bowls the last two seasons, plus the NCAA credits for wins over Minny and Mich. State still on the book ?

(06-20-2023 11:50 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Went to Hawaii and Bahamas bowls the last two seasons, plus the NCAA credits for wins over Minny and Mich. State still on the book ?

Hmm. I suppose the Hawaii and Bahamas bowls (particularly the former) would both potentially require greater financial support from the conference so that participants don't take a financial bath, so perhaps that's a factor here.

As for the tournament wins: Those were in 2016 and 2017, which seemed like quite some time ago, but perhaps Conference USA is still benefiting financially from those wins and perhaps Middle Tennessee gets an extra portion of that NCAA tournament revenue for having actually won the games?

(06-20-2023 01:52 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 11:50 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Went to Hawaii and Bahamas bowls the last two seasons, plus the NCAA credits for wins over Minny and Mich. State still on the book ?

Hmm. I suppose the Hawaii and Bahamas bowls (particularly the former) would both potentially require greater financial support from the conference so that participants don't take a financial bath, so perhaps that's a factor here.

As for the tournament wins: Those were in 2016 and 2017, which seemed like quite some time ago, but perhaps Conference USA is still benefiting financially from those wins and perhaps Middle Tennessee gets an extra portion of that NCAA tournament revenue for having actually won the games?

The NCAA credits are paid out over 6 years I think, so they would still be on the books for 2022. I think you get a double share as the earner, I wonder if MTSU got all the shares from the departing teams as well for both of their previous wins. That and the more expensive bowl could explain it.

All of these questions about MTSU's increased share should be asked of MTSU AD Chris Massaro by a local beat writer.

(06-02-2023 11:54 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Any other A-10 schools looking to move up to FBS in football. Richmond, Duquesne, Rhode Island with UMass would be a nice quad to add.

Richmond made the decision to not be a football school years ago. They used to play football games at City Stadium, but moved to on campus stadium that seats 8,217. That ship has sailed.

Yes, Flat Tire is correct that they downsized their stadium (not sure about a changed venue) and wanted to keep their neighbors happy as well. Besides I'm a public university guy and one of my beefs that the A10 was mostly public. Then all the founding publics left, except UMass. There are only 4 publics out of 15 universities including UMass.

(06-22-2023 12:06 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Yes, Flat Tire is correct that they downsized their stadium (not sure about a changed venue) and wanted to keep their neighbors happy as well. Besides I'm a public university guy and one of my beefs that the A10 was mostly public. Then all the founding publics left, except UMass. There are only 4 publics out of 15 universities including UMass.

I lived in RVA for many years and attended UR games. They used to play at City Stadium from 1929-2009 but moved to a much smaller on campus stadium. UR is a small private university. Check out the links.

City Stadium
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Stadium_(Richmond)

Current UR On campus stadium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Claibor...ns_Stadium

Postedt on the Rhode Island message board and one poster, Jdrum#3 did inquire if there was any possibility. Crossed reference this thread and gave my opinions.

https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?t=9673&start=200

UMass and Rhode Island the two public schools that play football. State flagships too. Seems like they are better fit in the MAC with that profile like Delaware. Temple seems out of place in the AAC. After Cincinnati and UConn leaving that isn't the same league. Maybee AAC goes after UMass and Delaware to help Temple.

(06-22-2023 11:56 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  UMass and Rhode Island the two public schools that play football. State flagships too. Seems like they are better fit in the MAC with that profile like Delaware. Temple seems out of place in the AAC. After Cincinnati and UConn leaving that isn't the same league. Maybee AAC goes after UMass and Delaware to help Temple.

I don't think Temple is coming back, but Temple and Delaware in the same conference would potentially be amazing.

Where's all the "Delaware would be a good add for the MAC talk?" Fairly large thread on the realignment board about Delaware. Some saying they are considering FBS again. MAC a popular pick among posters.

Stony Brook, UMASS, WKU mentioned as possible pairings with the 'Hens.

(06-24-2023 04:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Where's all the "Delaware would be a good add for the MAC talk?" Fairly large thread on the realignment board about Delaware. Some saying they are considering FBS again. MAC a popular pick among posters.

Stony Brook, UMASS, WKU mentioned as possible pairings with the 'Hens.

Topstraight, wish UMass would have went all sports with you guys. I'm bias, but feel Delaware is to far out of the footprint to want in and more importantly to close to Temple, East Carolina etc that they would be a flight risk. The AAC made it clear we are to far out of the footprint and chose the 49ers over us so that is less of a concern. UMass is still to anal about the A10 and hence think it would need cover of another close rival from the A10. Stony Brook did beat us in the NIT one year, but no rivalry to date as the CAA finally added Albany and them when we left and URI threaten to downgrade, so no overlap in football. Way back the Blue Hens were a good football rival and there was some cross pollination. Their band leader was a member of UMass and they were good and use to sellout regularly. They are worthy thou and assume you are hoping as the 14th member to yourselves.

Assume with the WKU state of CUSA and the payouts, the want for the MAC has waned. What is your assessment?

(06-24-2023 04:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Where's all the "Delaware would be a good add for the MAC talk?" Fairly large thread on the realignment board about Delaware. Some saying they are considering FBS again. MAC a popular pick among posters.

It is an old thread that is on fire again for whatever reason. Particularly interesting is this quote from Matt Brown from last fall:

(10-18-2022 08:05 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I hope to have a larger update next week sometime, but let me just say this....after making phone calls with folks who would know, Delaware is absolutely not joining Conference USA or the Sun Belt.

This strongly implies the MAC to me. Perhaps Delaware is just getting ready and seeing if things break a certain way.

I think Delaware could be a good addition. They are a bit on an island out there, but this is a good school and a state flagship. Given that Temple probably isn't coming back, if we could also bring in Stony Brook, I think that would be a good expansion. Stony Brook would be a wonderful rival for Buffalo, and they are less than four hours from Delaware.

I don't see quite the same synergy with UMass, which is five hours away. But... maybe?

(06-26-2023 09:34 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Where's all the "Delaware would be a good add for the MAC talk?" Fairly large thread on the realignment board about Delaware. Some saying they are considering FBS again. MAC a popular pick among posters.

It is an old thread that is on fire again for whatever reason. Particularly interesting is this quote from Matt Brown from last fall:

(10-18-2022 08:05 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I hope to have a larger update next week sometime, but let me just say this....after making phone calls with folks who would know, Delaware is absolutely not joining Conference USA or the Sun Belt.

This strongly implies the MAC to me. Perhaps Delaware is just getting ready and seeing if things break a certain way.

I think Delaware could be a good addition. They are a bit on an island out there, but this is a good school and a state flagship. Given that Temple probably isn't coming back, if we could also bring in Stony Brook, I think that would be a good expansion. Stony Brook would be a wonderful rival for Buffalo, and they are less than four hours from Delaware.

I don't see quite the same synergy with UMass, which is five hours away. But... maybe?

Well the Delaware journalist that has been lurking in the Delaware thread has finally posted.

(06-26-2023 11:03 AM)DanSteenkamer Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 11:00 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  But I also think Delaware could make a compelling case to the AAC to put them with Temple and Navy, and there's some value in a state flagship with a decent fan base. I certainly find them more compelling than most of the CUSA candidates.

Have wondered from time to time if The American's perceived stance on "FCS call-ups" will change once we get however far along into the remade AAC post-B12-defections. The P6 slogan has been dropped.

G5 rival SBC has buttered its bread with successful moves up by App, Coastal Carolina, James Madison (already), Marshall (though it had a prior FBS stop). All former FCS successes.

In football, hypothetically, Temple and Navy would be Delaware's version of JMU's tandem of ODU and Marshall entering SBC. Need (well, surely they prefer) some kind of regional rivals. But the Owls won't even schedule UD at present for noncon; I doubt they'd be inclined to open doors to a conference neighbor at that proximity. A territorial thing, among others.

I didn't realize DanSteenkamer was a Delaware journalist. Good to know.

His take makes sense. I personally love the idea of Temple and Delaware in the same conference, but Temple may not see it that way at all. The American seems like a reach to me for Delaware given all the theoretical FBS options on the table.

(06-26-2023 12:49 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I didn't realize DanSteenkamer was a Delaware journalist. Good to know.

His take makes sense. I personally love the idea of Temple and Delaware in the same conference, but Temple may not see it that way at all. The American seems like a reach to me for Delaware given all the theoretical FBS options on the table.

Dan is a student journalist at UD.

Things are in the works that may alter the plans to go from FCS to FBS including big $ fees and no more attendance requirements.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-work...fcs-to-fbs