I feel like we should know by now that smoke hardly ever means fire. We talk endlessly about this conference talking to this team or that team, and nothing ever happens until BAM, the Big picks up USC and UCLA with zero smoke.

(05-15-2023 05:19 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  While that’s great those schools think that way, they don’t appear to have any recourse breaking the GOR.

Much ado about nothing IMO.

This is why Middle Tennessee declined the MAC invite. They wanted MT and wkcc sign a 20 year GOR, which would have all but eliminated any future options - some of which probably play out in the next few years.

NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

ACC Comish here you go:

(05-19-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  Once again, no A5 conference is ever going to stop existing. The shell alone is super valuable.
The AAC sold the Big East name to the C7 for Millions and that wasn't even an A5.

The Big East was AQ. That was when we had the BCS and they had an automatic spot. They lost it when it became the AAC why Aresco did not file a lawsuit to keep it idk.

(05-20-2023 03:15 PM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 12:38 PM)maybeimhere Wrote:  Once again, no A5 conference is ever going to stop existing. The shell alone is super valuable.
The AAC sold the Big East name to the C7 for Millions and that wasn't even an A5.

The Big East was AQ. That was when we had the BCS and they had an automatic spot. They lost it when it became the AAC why Aresco did not file a lawsuit to keep it idk.

The playoff started, top 4 after the 2014 season. The American was an AQ conference for the last year of the BCS contract.

The American didn't have a contract bowl (Orange, Sugar, etc.) which was a huge problem even in the Big East 2.0 days. Teams (other than WVU) just didn't travel well enough, and every 5 to 6 years the Big East sent a team that just didn't deserve the AQ spot ('04 Pitt, '10 UConn). True tweener with the 2.0 lineup but really none of the teams could have competed for the NC. Good but no truly dominant team although WVU was consistently strong during this period.

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

Only problem is it has historically been an NC dominated conference. I don’t see it going forward without a prominent TV presence in NC. Wake and Duke aren’t enough…would take a public university that has a major number of graduates/fans living in state.

(05-22-2023 04:08 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

Only problem is it has historically been an NC dominated conference. I don’t see it going forward without a prominent TV presence in NC. Wake and Duke aren’t enough…would take a public university that has a major number of graduates/fans living in state.

Hey! Don't ruin this fantasy of mine! Get your own

(05-22-2023 04:08 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

Only problem is it has historically been an NC dominated conference. I don’t see it going forward without a prominent TV presence in NC. Wake and Duke aren’t enough…would take a public university that has a major number of graduates/fans living in state.

It's funny to see some posters spin on things in relation to the ACC not from NC.

Fact is ECU largest alumni base lives in the Raleigh DMA. Also many ECU games viewership in the past have outperformed the home team NCSU in that DMA.

If the proposed ACC reconfiguration happens, Duke will not be around. They will join a private school league like the Big East and Wake Forest may also even though football does matter to Wake. Duke's football stadium holds that program back and it's evidence of administrative view on football at that school.

ECU is the largest football program in the state in terms of stadium size and fan-base outside of UNC and NCSU. We are football first.

Going forward it would make little sense to not include ECU in a reformed ACC. We're smack dab in the middle of the Mid-Atlantic with the largest fanbase concentrated in the state's largest DMA adjacent to our own. If you move our stadium 22 miles west we're in the Raleigh DMA. Those lines have never made sense.

I'm going away now and let the out of state experts opine on the ACC & tobacco road!! LOL!

(05-22-2023 04:33 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-22-2023 04:08 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

Only problem is it has historically been an NC dominated conference. I don’t see it going forward without a prominent TV presence in NC. Wake and Duke aren’t enough…would take a public university that has a major number of graduates/fans living in state.

It's funny to see some posters spin on things in relation to the ACC not from NC.

Fact is ECU largest alumni base lives in the Raleigh DMA. Also many ECU games viewership in the past have outperformed the home team NCSU in that DMA.

If the proposed ACC reconfiguration happens, Duke will not be around. They will join a private school league like the Big East and Wake Forest may also even though football does matter to Wake. Duke's football stadium holds that program back and it's evidence of administrative view on football at that school.

ECU is the largest football program in the state in terms of stadium size and fan-base outside of UNC and NCSU. We are football first.

Going forward it would make little sense to not include ECU in a reformed ACC. We're smack dab in the middle of the Mid-Atlantic with the largest fanbase concentrated in the state's largest DMA adjacent to our own. If you move our stadium 22 miles west we're in the Raleigh DMA. Those lines have never made sense.

I'm going away now and let the out of state experts opine on the ACC & tobacco road!! LOL!

Don’t misread my post…I agree ECU would be the one.

(05-22-2023 05:04 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(05-22-2023 04:33 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-22-2023 04:08 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

Only problem is it has historically been an NC dominated conference. I don’t see it going forward without a prominent TV presence in NC. Wake and Duke aren’t enough…would take a public university that has a major number of graduates/fans living in state.

It's funny to see some posters spin on things in relation to the ACC not from NC.

Fact is ECU largest alumni base lives in the Raleigh DMA. Also many ECU games viewership in the past have outperformed the home team NCSU in that DMA.

If the proposed ACC reconfiguration happens, Duke will not be around. They will join a private school league like the Big East and Wake Forest may also even though football does matter to Wake. Duke's football stadium holds that program back and it's evidence of administrative view on football at that school.

ECU is the largest football program in the state in terms of stadium size and fan-base outside of UNC and NCSU. We are football first.

Going forward it would make little sense to not include ECU in a reformed ACC. We're smack dab in the middle of the Mid-Atlantic with the largest fanbase concentrated in the state's largest DMA adjacent to our own. If you move our stadium 22 miles west we're in the Raleigh DMA. Those lines have never made sense.

I'm going away now and let the out of state experts opine on the ACC & tobacco road!! LOL!

Don’t misread my post…I agree ECU would be the one.

Oh yeah I agree. Just supporting your view. Yes, ECU is the largest public football presence outside of UNC and NCSU that would be needed in a reformed ACC. I just find it interesting the viewpoints of others who have little understanding of the NC market often omitting the largest school in the state in terms of football that are outside Tobacco Road. I grew up a Wake Forest fan because my Dad graduated from there and played football & baseball. I attended ECU so I grew up with all the viewpoints.

1st, ECU will never get an invite to the ACC. Pin that.

2nd, interesting to think if WVU and UL could convince Cindy to get the band back together in the ACC. Add UCONN and maybe some other AAC school to fill one or two holes and you'd have the BE 3.0 but a bit sturdier....

3rd, folks outside of NC don't understand the hate betweem Duke and UNC@Chap. If UNC@Chap moves on to greener pastures and the ACC gets watered down, Duke might just cancell football or go Indy. Think Utah and BYU....

4th, Not sure if I care too much at this point about realignment. We have a path to the playoff. About the best we could ever hope for.

5th, the distillation of college football to two Mega Conferences, SEC and BIG10, will have a leveling affect amongst the other conferences. Eventualy SEC and BIG will become officially semi-pro (hell already now with the $$$) and the rest of us will be playing college ball. Do well in the Bottom 10, you might get a call up to one of the Mega 2. They have already set this part up. I could see a "regulaion: happening to the bottom teams in the SEC and BIG as they chase the $$$ to the bitter end...

(05-22-2023 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  1st, ECU will never get an invite to the ACC. Pin that.

2nd, interesting to think if WVU and UL could convince Cindy to get the band back together in the ACC. Add UCONN and maybe some other AAC school to fill one or two holes and you'd have the BE 3.0 but a bit sturdier....

3rd, folks outside of NC don't understand the hate betweem Duke and UNC@Chap. If UNC@Chap moves on to greener pastures and the ACC gets watered down, Duke might just cancell football or go Indy. Think Utah and BYU....

4th, Not sure if I care too much at this point about realignment. We have a path to the playoff. About the best we could ever hope for.

5th, the distillation of college football to two Mega Conferences, SEC and BIG10, will have a leveling affect amongst the other conferences. Eventualy SEC and BIG will become officially semi-pro (hell already now with the $$$) and the rest of us will be playing college ball. Do well in the Bottom 10, you might get a call up to one of the Mega 2. They have already set this part up. I could see a "regulaion: happening to the bottom teams in the SEC and BIG as they chase the $$$ to the bitter end...

Not so sure about number 1, if Carolina and State are gone then I'm pretty sure Duke's will be out the door as well. That leaves the 10th most populated state right in the middle of ACC country and the Atlantic seaboard with only Wake Forest. ESPN is the ACC's revenue partner so I guess we'll see on that one if the break up occurs.

(05-22-2023 08:46 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-22-2023 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  1st, ECU will never get an invite to the ACC. Pin that.

2nd, interesting to think if WVU and UL could convince Cindy to get the band back together in the ACC. Add UCONN and maybe some other AAC school to fill one or two holes and you'd have the BE 3.0 but a bit sturdier....

3rd, folks outside of NC don't understand the hate betweem Duke and UNC@Chap. If UNC@Chap moves on to greener pastures and the ACC gets watered down, Duke might just cancell football or go Indy. Think Utah and BYU....

4th, Not sure if I care too much at this point about realignment. We have a path to the playoff. About the best we could ever hope for.

5th, the distillation of college football to two Mega Conferences, SEC and BIG10, will have a leveling affect amongst the other conferences. Eventualy SEC and BIG will become officially semi-pro (hell already now with the $$$) and the rest of us will be playing college ball. Do well in the Bottom 10, you might get a call up to one of the Mega 2. They have already set this part up. I could see a "regulaion: happening to the bottom teams in the SEC and BIG as they chase the $$$ to the bitter end...

Not so sure about number 1, if Carolina and State are gone then I'm pretty sure Duke's will be out the door as well. That leaves the 10th most populist state right in the middle of ACC country and the Atlantic seaboard with only Wake Forest. ESPN is the ACC's revenue partner so I guess we'll see on that one if the break up occurs.

clt thinks you wanted populated rather than populist. NC is not a populist state

(05-20-2023 02:47 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

ACC Comish here you go:

WVU, Cincy, and UCF are not leaving the Big 12 for that conference, let alone pay the exit fees. Pitt and Louisville would join the Big 12 since yormack will surely send out invites if the ACC GOR is broken. Lastly, as others have said, Duke will not be there. Either they are picked up by the P2 or they go to the Big East and go independent for football.

(05-22-2023 11:37 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-22-2023 08:46 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(05-22-2023 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  1st, ECU will never get an invite to the ACC. Pin that.

2nd, interesting to think if WVU and UL could convince Cindy to get the band back together in the ACC. Add UCONN and maybe some other AAC school to fill one or two holes and you'd have the BE 3.0 but a bit sturdier....

3rd, folks outside of NC don't understand the hate betweem Duke and UNC@Chap. If UNC@Chap moves on to greener pastures and the ACC gets watered down, Duke might just cancell football or go Indy. Think Utah and BYU....

4th, Not sure if I care too much at this point about realignment. We have a path to the playoff. About the best we could ever hope for.

5th, the distillation of college football to two Mega Conferences, SEC and BIG10, will have a leveling affect amongst the other conferences. Eventualy SEC and BIG will become officially semi-pro (hell already now with the $$$) and the rest of us will be playing college ball. Do well in the Bottom 10, you might get a call up to one of the Mega 2. They have already set this part up. I could see a "regulaion: happening to the bottom teams in the SEC and BIG as they chase the $$$ to the bitter end...

Not so sure about number 1, if Carolina and State are gone then I'm pretty sure Duke's will be out the door as well. That leaves the 10th most populist state right in the middle of ACC country and the Atlantic seaboard with only Wake Forest. ESPN is the ACC's revenue partner so I guess we'll see on that one if the break up occurs.

clt thinks you wanted populated rather than populist. NC is not a populist state

Nice catch! Darn spell check changed it for me.

Maybe the reformed ACC takes some time and the 49ers have the time to build their football profile and we go together! Then again I enjoy the league we're in.

I'll be glad when up-line settles so everything else does. It's not good for the game or the students in my opinion.

(05-20-2023 02:47 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 02:17 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  NEW ACC:

North
- BC
- Pitt
- Syracuse
- WVU
- UCONN
- Cincy
- Temple

South
- Duke
- Georgia Tech
- Louisville
- Wake
- Tulane
- USF
- Memphis


Not a terrible conference. Would be damn good in basketball. Would need to see quite a few of the football programs reawaken though.

ACC Comish here you go:

Wow this looks like the Metro proposal from 1990.

clt asks if we should rebrand as the big aac?

If the ACC wants Tulane, they would have to show us that money. Our market, academics, and athletics success is on par with everyone in that conference. It does makes sense though. I think over the next few years, the Big 12, PAC, and ACC will be fighting for the services of Tulane. It’s gonna be a great time for New Orleans and for Tulane fans.

(05-25-2023 07:20 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  If the ACC wants Tulane, they would have to show us that money. Our market, academics, and athletics success is on par with everyone in that conference. It does makes sense though. I think over the next few years, the Big 12, PAC, and ACC will be fighting for the services of Tulane. It’s gonna be a great time for New Orleans and for Tulane fans.

You left out yuge.

Thewavefan, this guy rivals the bragging of Trump. He is trolling yall.