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Every published study is suspect
Florida State University professor leaves job after accusations of faking race data, had 6 studies retracted

Quote:A Florida State University professor who focused on racial data and research in the criminal justice system has left his job after years of accusations that claimed his data was dishonest, resulting in many of his studies being retracted.

The Florida Standard reports that Eric Stewart, a fellow of the American Society of Criminology, has had six studies retracted in recent years, after being accused of falsifying data first in 2019 by a professor named Justin Pickett from the University of Albany.

Quote:Pickett, who worked with Stewart on a retracted 2011 study, claims that Stewart muddied the waters in his papers. Pickett released a document critical of the professor called "The Stewart Retractions: A Quantitative and Qualitative Analysis."

Pickett says he asked that a study he was involved with be retracted because the data was altered to the point of mathematical impossibility.

The study reported that as populations of black and Hispanic Americans grew, the public desire for discriminatory sentences also grew. However, Pickett later noticed that the sample size of the study somehow grew from 500 to over 1,000 and the number of counties polled dropped from 326 to 91.


Here's the kicker...

Quote:Without directly commenting on the situation, Pickett told the Florida Standard that there is a "huge monetary incentive to falsify data and there’s no accountability. If you do this, the probability you’ll get caught is so, so low.”

There’s too much incentive to fake data and too little oversight," he added.


Knowing that money is used to manipulate outcomes, I have to consider that every study is suspect.

Material greed provides a motive to every researcher to manipulate data to fit the desired outcome.


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04-10-2023 02:57 PM
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RE: Every published study is suspect
My trust in academic studies was already non-existent, to begin with. So that hasn’t changed.

But if this professor (ex-professor?) at Florida State is sketchy, the article about him seems sketchy, too. Did he get fired? Did he quit under pressure? WTF? And how is a FSU guy working with an Albany guy? Those aren’t exactly peer institutions. Lots of weird details here.
04-10-2023 03:11 PM
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There aint too many in healthcare, the media or academia that I trust anymore.

Fool me once, shame on you...
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RE: Every published study is suspect
I used to work in Statistical support for research at a university.

One researcher in Ed Psychology was working on research claiming that medical residents had bias against black patients. They didn't know how to interpret the regression surface which actually showed there was a small bias that favored blacks. I told them they can't publish it because the data doesn't say what you claim it does. My position was cut not long after that.

I found out a few years later the paper had been published after I left and not with new data.

Part of the problem is social scientists don't really have a deep understanding of stats and data science. But a big part of it is political bias and a big echo chamber that isn't critical of anything that goes along with the politically correct consensus. I mean, there's somewhat of a political bias in the natural sciences but it's REALLY bad in the social sciences.
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(04-10-2023 07:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I told them they can't publish it because the data doesn't say what you claim it does. My position was cut not long after that… I found out a few years later the paper had been published after I left and not with new data.
If it was a long time ago you may have missed your chance. But what you’ve described was the basis of a solid lawsuit.

Quote:Part of the problem is social scientists don't really have a deep understanding of stats and data science. But a big part of it is political bias and a big echo chamber that isn't critical of anything that goes along with the politically correct consensus. I mean, there's somewhat of a political bias in the natural sciences but it's REALLY bad in the social sciences.
Restoring some semblance of integrity and political balance to America’s academic community is one of the great tasks facing the next generation.
04-11-2023 06:24 AM
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(04-11-2023 06:24 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-10-2023 07:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I told them they can't publish it because the data doesn't say what you claim it does. My position was cut not long after that… I found out a few years later the paper had been published after I left and not with new data.
If it was a long time ago you may have missed your chance. But what you’ve described was the basis of a solid lawsuit.

Quote:Part of the problem is social scientists don't really have a deep understanding of stats and data science. But a big part of it is political bias and a big echo chamber that isn't critical of anything that goes along with the politically correct consensus. I mean, there's somewhat of a political bias in the natural sciences but it's REALLY bad in the social sciences.
Restoring some semblance of integrity and political balance to America’s academic community is one of the great tasks facing the next generation.


At some point we have to stop lying to ourselves and pretending these things are going to be fixed.

The next generation has no interest in fixing these things, they want to double and triple down on them. The younger generation are not remotely interested in objective truth, that is an outdated concept that is born of white supremacy, racist, sexism and homophobia in their view.

They are interested in altering truth, facts and history to make it fit their feelings and latest fads.

There is this fantasy out there that America is suddenly going to stand up and change direction (that pendulum swing we always hear about) and we are going to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

No, we're not. You can't get the toothpaste back in the tube once its out. We have already blown way past that point.

I've been around the sun about 50 times now and NOT ONCE in my lifetime have we ever put any toothpaste back in the tube. We blow past these progressive/marxist mile markers and just proceed twice as fast to the next one at greater and greater speeds.

That may sound depressing but its more important than every that we get real about the reality of where we are and where we are headed now.
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04-11-2023 06:39 AM
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Enough money corrupts anything.

Emoting has replaced logic in both science and politics.
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(04-11-2023 06:39 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-11-2023 06:24 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Restoring some semblance of integrity and political balance to America’s academic community is one of the great tasks facing the next generation.
At some point we have to stop lying to ourselves and pretending these things are going to be fixed.

The next generation has no interest in fixing these things, they want to double and triple down on them. The younger generation are not remotely interested in objective truth, that is an outdated concept that is born of white supremacy, racist, sexism and homophobia in their view.

They are interested in altering truth, facts and history to make it fit their feelings and latest fads.

There is this fantasy out there that America is suddenly going to stand up and change direction (that pendulum swing we always hear about) and we are going to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

No, we're not. You can't get the toothpaste back in the tube once its out. We have already blown way past that point.

I've been around the sun about 50 times now and NOT ONCE in my lifetime have we ever put any toothpaste back in the tube. We blow past these progressive/marxist mile markers and just proceed twice as fast to the next one at greater and greater speeds.

That may sound depressing but its more important than every that we get real about the reality of where we are and where we are headed now.
Quite so.

I never meant to imply that the next generation would actually perform the task I described, LOL.
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(04-11-2023 08:39 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-11-2023 06:39 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-11-2023 06:24 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Restoring some semblance of integrity and political balance to America’s academic community is one of the great tasks facing the next generation.
At some point we have to stop lying to ourselves and pretending these things are going to be fixed.

The next generation has no interest in fixing these things, they want to double and triple down on them. The younger generation are not remotely interested in objective truth, that is an outdated concept that is born of white supremacy, racist, sexism and homophobia in their view.

They are interested in altering truth, facts and history to make it fit their feelings and latest fads.

There is this fantasy out there that America is suddenly going to stand up and change direction (that pendulum swing we always hear about) and we are going to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

No, we're not. You can't get the toothpaste back in the tube once its out. We have already blown way past that point.

I've been around the sun about 50 times now and NOT ONCE in my lifetime have we ever put any toothpaste back in the tube. We blow past these progressive/marxist mile markers and just proceed twice as fast to the next one at greater and greater speeds.

That may sound depressing but its more important than every that we get real about the reality of where we are and where we are headed now.
Quite so.

I never meant to imply that the next generation would actually perform the task I described, LOL.


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RE: Every published study is suspect
(04-10-2023 03:11 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  My trust in academic studies was already non-existent, to begin with. So that hasn’t changed.

But if this professor (ex-professor?) at Florida State is sketchy, the article about him seems sketchy, too. Did he get fired? Did he quit under pressure? WTF? And how is a FSU guy working with an Albany guy? Those aren’t exactly peer institutions. Lots of weird details here.

Those academic journals are pathetic. The hoax studies that James Linday, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian did destroyed the reputation of that industry. Since then Lindsay has taken the deepest researched anti Marx dive maybe in history. His YT channel is loaded with his videos.
https://www.youtube.com/@newdiscourses/videos
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