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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
(06-12-2023 02:53 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I have noticed the inflated ratings issue at 24/7, becoming more and more of an issue every year for at least a decade now. It used to be an accomplishment for a MAC school to land a "3 star" athlete, but now it seems almost every MAC commit is a 3 star. I understand why they inflate these ratings, it's a business decision. But it really waters down the ratings and recruiting rankings. I have no idea what to actually believe anymore when I see a recruit's profile on a recruiting site.

I'm not particularly fond of any of the recruiting website rating systems. I mean, Rivals' scores range from 5.2 to 6.1? WTF is that? I wish there was a simpler and more honest system out there. Give a recruit a rating between 0 and 100. 0 is my dead grandma who never touched a football, 100 is Tom Brady when his team goes down by double digits in the Super Bowl. I want more honest and objective assessments of these recruits. Probably wishful thinking, though.

As an aside, I do appreciate the work you're putting in and your posts here, CoachPMac.

Thanks, glad to do it.

Here’s Rivals formula for reference:
What does the numerical Rivals Rating (RR) mean?

6.1 = Five-star prospect

6.0-5.8 = Four-star prospect

5.7-5.5 = Three-star prospect

5.2-5.4 = Two-star prospect

6.1 Franchise Player: considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 30-35 players overall, a potential first-team All American candidate and a player deemed to have first round NFL potential.

6.0-5.8 All American Candidate: considered one of the next-tier elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation’s top 300-325 prospects overall, a national All American candidate and a player deemed to have first to third round NFL potential

5.7-5.5 All Region Selection: considered among the region’s top prospects and generally among the nation’s top 800-850 prospects overall, a potential All-Conference candidate and a player deemed to have mid to low-end pro potential and ability to impact at the college level.

5.2-5.4 Low End FBS prospect: considered a mid-major prospect with limited pro potential and expected to contribute 1-2 years at a high level maximum or often as a role player.


Related, but would fit better in the 2023 thread - the battle right now is getting the late 2023 JUCO additions ranked. It would give a more clear outlook on the classes than what is listed now. Also, this will be the first year Rivals incorporates transfers into their overall rankings, which should come out next month.
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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
(06-12-2023 02:53 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I have noticed the inflated ratings issue at 24/7, becoming more and more of an issue every year for at least a decade now. It used to be an accomplishment for a MAC school to land a "3 star" athlete, but now it seems almost every MAC commit is a 3 star. I understand why they inflate these ratings, it's a business decision. But it really waters down the ratings and recruiting rankings. I have no idea what to actually believe anymore when I see a recruit's profile on a recruiting site.

I'm not particularly fond of any of the recruiting website rating systems. I mean, Rivals' scores range from 5.2 to 6.1? WTF is that? I wish there was a simpler and more honest system out there. Give a recruit a rating between 0 and 100. 0 is my dead grandma who never touched a football, 100 is Tom Brady when his team goes down by double digits in the Super Bowl. I want more honest and objective assessments of these recruits. Probably wishful thinking, though.

As an aside, I do appreciate the work you're putting in and your posts here, CoachPMac.

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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
What was most troubling behavior from the sites in the past was their continual downgrading of recruits rankings when they signed with a MAC school. I lost count of how many 3-star recruits suddenly became 2-star recruits just because they signed with a MAC school.

Not sure if this is still a practice.

Bottom line, all of this is really just a crap shoot when talking about high school kids. Some develop in the right environment, others don't. I just find it a tad humorous that any MAC school would ever be anywhere near the Top 25 in the country in recruiting.
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(06-13-2023 07:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What was most troubling behavior from the sites in the past was their continual downgrading of recruits rankings when they signed with a MAC school. I lost count of how many 3-star recruits suddenly became 2-star recruits just because they signed with a MAC school.

Not sure if this is still a practice.

Bottom line, all of this is really just a crap shoot when talking about high school kids. Some develop in the right environment, others don't. I just find it a tad humorous that any MAC school would ever be anywhere near the Top 25 in the country in recruiting.

Yes, and vice versa. When a recruit flips from a MAC school to a P5 school, suddenly their rating jumps a few points. I've seen that many, many times.
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(06-13-2023 07:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What was most troubling behavior from the sites in the past was their continual downgrading of recruits rankings when they signed with a MAC school. I lost count of how many 3-star recruits suddenly became 2-star recruits just because they signed with a MAC school.

Not sure if this is still a practice.

Bottom line, all of this is really just a crap shoot when talking about high school kids. Some develop in the right environment, others don't. I just find it a tad humorous that any MAC school would ever be anywhere near the Top 25 in the country in recruiting.

I can only speak to Rivals on this, but the downgrades do still happen, although not so much due to going from P5 to G5. It is usually a combination of drop off in play during the junior and/or senior seasons and other players getting bumped ahead. Simultaneously, P5 schools tend to back off on their recruitment. On the flip side, rating bumps are common going from G5 to P5 and that is usually due to the player participating in camps and getting more exposure and/or having big junior and/or senior seasons. There are also certain coaches in college football that once they issue an offer, other schools come flooding in and follow suit and that can also give the appearance of a recruit deserving of a ratings bump.

The above isn’t always 100% accurate (nothing is), but there is typically more to it than getting upgraded/downgraded just because of the G5/P5 status, although it can seem that way.
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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
Bump for update. Lots of activity lately.
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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
We have a clean sweep with our OV weekend. Everyone signed. General if they make it to the campus, are chances are high as they tend to love the campus, academic offerings and high ratings, especially the coaching staff, and the facilities.

Our OV weekend thread

The final one in. https://twitter.com/i/status/1673076034785378306
Special thanks to CoachPMac for his efforts and rival updates.
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Wait...did I miss something. Did UMass join the MAC?
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(06-26-2023 07:33 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(06-26-2023 06:04 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wait...did I miss something. Did UMass join the MAC?

Nope, just for some perspective on a former football member that was shown the door, wondering around in desert, is not dead and this guy loves the MAC and will compare it.

It is also to support CoachPMac that has been doing a good job and get you guys to post more on your recruiting.

FWIW - I did notice that there is still a link to the UMASS page under the MACbbs dropdown up top, even though that page is actually in the Independents forum. Interesting.....
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(06-26-2023 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  FWIW - I did notice that there is still a link to the UMASS page under the MACbbs dropdown up top, even though that page is actually in the Independents forum. Interesting.....

Yes, reached out to CoachPMac and he went ahead and not only posted it, but has kept it up to date. Appreciate the guy. Good luck in your season and you guys were the last sell-out at McGurik. Hoping to see you here again.

ps. Will delete the photo of the last commitment out of respect.
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Every MAC school is officially on the board. Buffalo received their first verbal today.
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Details on latest BG commit, Mar'Kel Porter

Quote:Mar'Kel Porter has committed to BG. He's a RB, 6'1" and 220, from Lancaster, Texas. Lancaster is in the southern part of the DFW Metroplex.

Mar'Kel is a '24 player who had offers from Grambling, Texas State and Toledo, according to 247. There is mention elsewhere of a Purdue offer.

Porter had 24 carries as a junior at 5.5 yards per carry and 3 TDs. Lancaster's top 2 RBs last year both went P5 (Nebraska and Arizona State) so he didn't have much chance to shine.
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(07-11-2023 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Details on latest BG commit, Mar'Kel Porter

Quote:Mar'Kel Porter has committed to BG. He's a RB, 6'1" and 220, from Lancaster, Texas. Lancaster is in the southern part of the DFW Metroplex.

Mar'Kel is a '24 player who had offers from Grambling, Texas State and Toledo, according to 247. There is mention elsewhere of a Purdue offer.

Porter had 24 carries as a junior at 5.5 yards per carry and 3 TDs. Lancaster's top 2 RBs last year both went P5 (Nebraska and Arizona State) so he didn't have much chance to shine.
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I'm surprised we are recruiting Texas. That's not a state we've been big on (other than during the Jinks debacle, I suppose).
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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
Keep an eye on the Northwestern debacle, lots of potential MAC recruits there:

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/...1530100739
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(07-11-2023 06:16 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Keep an eye on the Northwestern debacle, lots of potential MAC recruits there:

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/...1530100739
I believe they are keeping the assistant coaches on staff so I doubt you’ll see a max exodus at this point of the year. And no coach will come in without bringing his people so I’d also guess they’re just going to temporarily promote from within.
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(07-12-2023 06:46 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(07-11-2023 06:16 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Keep an eye on the Northwestern debacle, lots of potential MAC recruits there:

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/...1530100739
I believe they are keeping the assistant coaches on staff so I doubt you’ll see a max exodus at this point of the year. And no coach will come in without bringing his people so I’d also guess they’re just going to temporarily promote from within.

Yeah, I saw that, too.
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(07-12-2023 06:46 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(07-11-2023 06:16 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Keep an eye on the Northwestern debacle, lots of potential MAC recruits there:

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/...1530100739
I believe they are keeping the assistant coaches on staff so I doubt you’ll see a max exodus at this point of the year. And no coach will come in without bringing his people so I’d also guess they’re just going to temporarily promote from within.

Unless there were assistants that just got hired on you would think they would let go of the assistants too. The assistants are around the players just as much or more than the head coach and would have likely seen or heard these hazing events.
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(07-12-2023 04:31 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(07-12-2023 06:46 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
(07-11-2023 06:16 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Keep an eye on the Northwestern debacle, lots of potential MAC recruits there:

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/...1530100739
I believe they are keeping the assistant coaches on staff so I doubt you’ll see a max exodus at this point of the year. And no coach will come in without bringing his people so I’d also guess they’re just going to temporarily promote from within.

Unless there were assistants that just got hired on you would think they would let go of the assistants too. The assistants are around the players just as much or more than the head coach and would have likely seen or heard these hazing events.
You’re right, the assistant coaches are more likely to be aware of what’s going on. The DC was bumped up to interim HC, but he was hired after the incidents. The players have a meeting with the AD and wanted continuity with the coaching staff and support staff, so outside of Fitzgerald they’re all staying.
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Bump for updates.
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RE: 2024 MAC Football Recruiting
Already listed in the edited OP, but here's the latest verbal for BG.



Quote:BG lands a big one here.

Nakai Amarchree is a RB from Haslett, MI, which is in the Lansing metro area. He has been highly recruited. 247 reports him as a 3-star, with offers from Akron, Ball State, CMU, EM, Kent and UT...also academic stalwarts like Army, Navy, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford and Yale. Also, Minnesota. Down the academic ladder to Marshall. And Northern Iowa.

He scored 21 touchdowns last season. (His brother Kory is a rising sophomore with 9 D1 offers). His dad was a RB at MSU.

He's 5'11 and 195. He has played both ways in HS.

He was all-region and all-conference in 2021, all-state, region and conference in 2022. He also returns kicks.
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