Basketball powerhouse, new market, #1 school in its state, old links to Confederacy, why not??

Links to the confederacy? Not sure any President is gonna want that box even being on the evaluation ballot of any candidate.

Eastern Texas seems about as far west as the SEC will go beyond their regional ethos. Could add a Kansas or Nebraska if the get the votes, but I don’t see the conference wanting to expand geographically that far.

Arizona is a fine school and should do fine in the new PAC or an expanded Big 12. I can’t imagine that TV deal getting any better and see PAC schools looking for better opportunities.

Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl. May they eventually get the opportunity to achieve that. I want the PAC to survive, and hope the conference makes the right decisions to do so. The SEC doesn’t need to go there. Concur murrdcu, better SEC “fits” are closer. Patience is in order to add a couple of ace jewels at a future and strategic point.

(04-01-2023 02:23 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl. May they eventually get the opportunity to achieve that. I want the PAC to survive, and hope the conference makes the right decisions to do so. The SEC doesn’t need to go there. Concur murrdcu, better SEC “fits” are closer. Patience is in order to add a couple of ace jewels at a future and strategic point.

We've already added a couple of Crown Jewels. What we need are some complimentary ones in our championship tierra. The question is how gaudy do we want to be? I think 4 should do it. Florida State and Clemson for football adornment, North Carolina and Kansas for hoops adornment.

(04-01-2023 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 02:23 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl. May they eventually get the opportunity to achieve that. I want the PAC to survive, and hope the conference makes the right decisions to do so. The SEC doesn’t need to go there. Concur murrdcu, better SEC “fits” are closer. Patience is in order to add a couple of ace jewels at a future and strategic point.

We've already added a couple of Crown Jewels. What we need are some complimentary ones in our championship tierra. The question is how gaudy do we want to be? I think 4 should do it. Florida State and Clemson for football adornment, North Carolina and Kansas for hoops adornment.

I view ace jewels not necessarily in terms of the most prominent names, but the value a school would bring in all dimensions of athletics as well as compatibility in institutional type, academics, and factors such as geography. Clemson, FSU, and UNC fit the mold. After that, there are those, such as NCSU, UVA, and Miami, that may be deemed as alternatives, complimentary additions, or fulfill an acceptable ‘protective’ (GT?) or convenience (VT? OKie St.?) role.

You regard Kansas as a preferred possibility. I have no idea what the SEC intends to do further on the west flank. Their basketball pedigree, traditional border rivalry with Missouri, proximity also to Oklahoma and Arkansas, Big 8/12 history, flagship status, and the AAU association, show merit. And, Kansas could be a stepping block to Nebraska and Colorado if interest and opportunistic desire emerge there. My prevailing ambivalence about that whole territory rests on the uncertainty, inclusive of low intrigue for Kansas football.

If UConn wins the NCAA basketball tournament (or even if they don’t win the title game), the ACC would again be idiotic in not inviting them. They need to tell BC where to go if they still oppose.

(04-02-2023 06:52 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 02:23 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl. May they eventually get the opportunity to achieve that. I want the PAC to survive, and hope the conference makes the right decisions to do so. The SEC doesn’t need to go there. Concur murrdcu, better SEC “fits” are closer. Patience is in order to add a couple of ace jewels at a future and strategic point.

We've already added a couple of Crown Jewels. What we need are some complimentary ones in our championship tierra. The question is how gaudy do we want to be? I think 4 should do it. Florida State and Clemson for football adornment, North Carolina and Kansas for hoops adornment.

I view ace jewels not necessarily in terms of the most prominent names, but the value a school would bring in all dimensions of athletics as well as compatibility in institutional type, academics, and factors such as geography. Clemson, FSU, and UNC fit the mold. After that, there are those, such as NCSU, UVA, and Miami, that may be deemed as alternatives, complimentary additions, or fulfill an acceptable’protective’ or convenience role.

You regard Kansas as a preferred possibility. I have no idea what the SEC intends to do further on the west flank. There basketball pedigree, traditional rivalry with Missouri, proximity also to Oklahoma and Arkansas, Big8/12 history, flagship status, and AAU association, show merit. And, Kansas could be a stepping block to Nebraska and Colorado if interest and opportunistic emerge there.

If UConn wins the NCAA basketball tournament, the ACC would again be idiotic in not inviting them. They need to tell BC where to go if they still oppose.

I don't see N.C. State as having any viability beyond accompanying UNC. Miami would be a valuable third game opportunity in Florida. UVa has the academics and plays solid baseball and basketball, Virginia Tech is the better economic addition.

Kansas is a protective addition. And Kansas and Colorado absolutely would be. It cuts off any future interest the Big 10 could have in any school within the state of Texas and forces them to stay North of our boundary. In other words they set the edge on SEC territory. I'd be quite comfortable moving to 20 with Clemson, FSU, Kansas and Colorado (which would be a fun destination state as well). Should the SEC then move to 24 there is only one direction with flexibility: North Carolina, Duke or NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. That completes a fine map for the SEC.

(04-02-2023 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 06:52 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 02:23 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl. May they eventually get the opportunity to achieve that. I want the PAC to survive, and hope the conference makes the right decisions to do so. The SEC doesn’t need to go there. Concur murrdcu, better SEC “fits” are closer. Patience is in order to add a couple of ace jewels at a future and strategic point.

We've already added a couple of Crown Jewels. What we need are some complimentary ones in our championship tierra. The question is how gaudy do we want to be? I think 4 should do it. Florida State and Clemson for football adornment, North Carolina and Kansas for hoops adornment.

I view ace jewels not necessarily in terms of the most prominent names, but the value a school would bring in all dimensions of athletics as well as compatibility in institutional type, academics, and factors such as geography. Clemson, FSU, and UNC fit the mold. After that, there are those, such as NCSU, UVA, and Miami, that may be deemed as alternatives, complimentary additions, or fulfill an acceptable’protective’ or convenience role.

You regard Kansas as a preferred possibility. I have no idea what the SEC intends to do further on the west flank. There basketball pedigree, traditional rivalry with Missouri, proximity also to Oklahoma and Arkansas, Big8/12 history, flagship status, and AAU association, show merit. And, Kansas could be a stepping block to Nebraska and Colorado if interest and opportunistic emerge there.

If UConn wins the NCAA basketball tournament, the ACC would again be idiotic in not inviting them. They need to tell BC where to go if they still oppose.

I don't see N.C. State as having any viability beyond accompanying UNC. Miami would be a valuable third game opportunity in Florida. UVa has the academics and plays solid baseball and basketball, Virginia Tech is the better economic addition.

Kansas is a protective addition. And Kansas and Colorado absolutely would be. It cuts off any future interest the Big 10 could have in any school within the state of Texas and forces them to stay North of our boundary. In other words they set the edge on SEC territory. I'd be quite comfortable moving to 20 with Clemson, FSU, Kansas and Colorado (which would be a fun destination state as well). Should the SEC then move to 24 there is only one direction with flexibility: North Carolina, Duke or NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. That completes a fine map for the SEC.

I am very much opposed to Colorado for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest being is that Coloado is a liberal state, and we are conservatives. IMO, if Kansas were as liberal as Colorado, they'd be in the B1G or PAC by now, IMO. That's why I'm not opposed to Kansas but I am opposed to Colorado. Colorado also stretches the SEC footprint too far out west, IMO, unless we are going to bring Arizona into the discussion.

(04-02-2023 09:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 06:52 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 02:23 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl. May they eventually get the opportunity to achieve that. I want the PAC to survive, and hope the conference makes the right decisions to do so. The SEC doesn’t need to go there. Concur murrdcu, better SEC “fits” are closer. Patience is in order to add a couple of ace jewels at a future and strategic point.

We've already added a couple of Crown Jewels. What we need are some complimentary ones in our championship tierra. The question is how gaudy do we want to be? I think 4 should do it. Florida State and Clemson for football adornment, North Carolina and Kansas for hoops adornment.

I view ace jewels not necessarily in terms of the most prominent names, but the value a school would bring in all dimensions of athletics as well as compatibility in institutional type, academics, and factors such as geography. Clemson, FSU, and UNC fit the mold. After that, there are those, such as NCSU, UVA, and Miami, that may be deemed as alternatives, complimentary additions, or fulfill an acceptable’protective’ or convenience role.

You regard Kansas as a preferred possibility. I have no idea what the SEC intends to do further on the west flank. There basketball pedigree, traditional rivalry with Missouri, proximity also to Oklahoma and Arkansas, Big8/12 history, flagship status, and AAU association, show merit. And, Kansas could be a stepping block to Nebraska and Colorado if interest and opportunistic emerge there.

If UConn wins the NCAA basketball tournament, the ACC would again be idiotic in not inviting them. They need to tell BC where to go if they still oppose.

I don't see N.C. State as having any viability beyond accompanying UNC. Miami would be a valuable third game opportunity in Florida. UVa has the academics and plays solid baseball and basketball, Virginia Tech is the better economic addition.

Kansas is a protective addition. And Kansas and Colorado absolutely would be. It cuts off any future interest the Big 10 could have in any school within the state of Texas and forces them to stay North of our boundary. In other words they set the edge on SEC territory. I'd be quite comfortable moving to 20 with Clemson, FSU, Kansas and Colorado (which would be a fun destination state as well). Should the SEC then move to 24 there is only one direction with flexibility: North Carolina, Duke or NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. That completes a fine map for the SEC.

I am very much opposed to Colorado for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest being is that Coloado is a liberal state, and we are conservatives. IMO, if Kansas were as liberal as Colorado, they'd be in the B1G or PAC by now, IMO. That's why I'm not opposed to Kansas but I am opposed to Colorado. Colorado also stretches the SEC footprint too far out west, IMO, unless we are going to bring Arizona into the discussion.

DNB, I suppose you wouldn’t like Oberlin, Antioch, Evergreen, and Columbia.

(04-12-2023 03:55 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 09:44 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 06:52 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(04-01-2023 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  We've already added a couple of Crown Jewels. What we need are some complimentary ones in our championship tierra. The question is how gaudy do we want to be? I think 4 should do it. Florida State and Clemson for football adornment, North Carolina and Kansas for hoops adornment.

I view ace jewels not necessarily in terms of the most prominent names, but the value a school would bring in all dimensions of athletics as well as compatibility in institutional type, academics, and factors such as geography. Clemson, FSU, and UNC fit the mold. After that, there are those, such as NCSU, UVA, and Miami, that may be deemed as alternatives, complimentary additions, or fulfill an acceptable’protective’ or convenience role.

You regard Kansas as a preferred possibility. I have no idea what the SEC intends to do further on the west flank. There basketball pedigree, traditional rivalry with Missouri, proximity also to Oklahoma and Arkansas, Big8/12 history, flagship status, and AAU association, show merit. And, Kansas could be a stepping block to Nebraska and Colorado if interest and opportunistic emerge there.

If UConn wins the NCAA basketball tournament, the ACC would again be idiotic in not inviting them. They need to tell BC where to go if they still oppose.

I don't see N.C. State as having any viability beyond accompanying UNC. Miami would be a valuable third game opportunity in Florida. UVa has the academics and plays solid baseball and basketball, Virginia Tech is the better economic addition.

Kansas is a protective addition. And Kansas and Colorado absolutely would be. It cuts off any future interest the Big 10 could have in any school within the state of Texas and forces them to stay North of our boundary. In other words they set the edge on SEC territory. I'd be quite comfortable moving to 20 with Clemson, FSU, Kansas and Colorado (which would be a fun destination state as well). Should the SEC then move to 24 there is only one direction with flexibility: North Carolina, Duke or NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. That completes a fine map for the SEC.

I am very much opposed to Colorado for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest being is that Coloado is a liberal state, and we are conservatives. IMO, if Kansas were as liberal as Colorado, they'd be in the B1G or PAC by now, IMO. That's why I'm not opposed to Kansas but I am opposed to Colorado. Colorado also stretches the SEC footprint too far out west, IMO, unless we are going to bring Arizona into the discussion.

DNB, I suppose you wouldn’t like Oberlin, Antioch, Evergreen, and Columbia.

Probably not. But that's just me. I'm familiar with Oberlin & Columbia though. Even U of O is liberal, but I have family from the state, and I have visited the state in person.