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(03-27-2023 10:54 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:00 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  Early reports say shooter entered school via side door, just like Uvalde.

You would think schools would have figured this out by now.

You would think America would figure out more guns means more gun deaths by now.

I think half of the country has figured it out, it is just the slower half still thinks that the wild west is something to idolize.

Still waiting for someone to put forth ONE good reason why weapons of war should be so readily available on our streets. And…please don’t give me the weak “2nd Amendment” argument. This is not what our forefathers had in mind centuries ago. A true ban would not stop every slaughter but I guarantee it would be a step in the right direction and save lives.

Why does someone need to possess a weapon designed to kill so easily, quickly and shred body parts? I just don’t get it…and I am a gun owner by the way.

In the shooters manifesto they laid out that this particular school was selected over other targets due to its LACK of security.

So in this case more guns would have possibly saved these students.

(03-28-2023 08:00 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  In the shooters manifesto they laid out that this particular school was selected over other targets due to its LACK of security.

So in this case more guns would have possibly saved these students.

So again - it's the school's fault...

(03-28-2023 08:00 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  In the shooters manifesto they laid out that this particular school was selected over other targets due to its LACK of security.

So in this case more guns would have possibly saved these students.

This is a tired argument and it is simply untrue. Yes, this particular shooter allegedly chose a soft target, but your focus is misplaced. Instead of turning elementary schools into Fort Knox, how about we take military-grade weaponry off the streets? Does it seem to you like we live in a safe and civilized society when a random person can just walk around shooting kids? Why do we make it so easy for these tragedies to occur? Like someone else said, this isn't the wild west. There are so many other wealthy nations that don't have this problem, and there's one common denominator.

Armed guards didn't stop the Parkland shooting, they ran away. There are armed police departments on college campuses, but there have been many shootings on many campuses. How about the shootings and overall murder rate at Fort Hood, a place that might have a higher concentration of firearms than any other location on the planet? Even the police were incompetent at stopping the Uvalde shooter once they arrived at the school. You would think a mass shooter would be deterred by other armed people, but that's not usually the case. Sometimes they see it as a challenge, or even an opportunity to go out in a blaze of glory, "death by cop" style.

It's really a non solution to point to the lack of security in a school. Schools operate on shoestring budgets and armed guards are proven to have little chance of stopping a shooter.

I really don't understand why Americans are so scared to pare down the type and amount of guns in private hands. And I am also a gun owner, but most of mine are antiques. I have a ton of experience with firearms and that's why I understand how destructive they can be. These aren't the days of muzzle-loading muskets. When an untrained person can walk into a school and unleash hell, massacring innocent people...and this kind of thing happens over and over and over...something needs to change.

(03-27-2023 07:30 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  Yep a trans-man (biological female taking testosterone) anti-christian trans activist went on a shooting spree in a Christian elementary school. The coverage of the shooter will go away faster than the MSU shooter when the press found out he was a black Democrat that complained about being oppressed.

The same school that the shooter attended.

We're really no different than the Aztecs. We demand regular sacrifices of children in order to appease the god of "freedom".

(03-28-2023 08:49 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:00 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  In the shooters manifesto they laid out that this particular school was selected over other targets due to its LACK of security.

So in this case more guns would have possibly saved these students.

This is a tired argument and it is simply untrue. Yes, this particular shooter allegedly chose a soft target, but your focus is misplaced. Instead of turning elementary schools into Fort Knox, how about we take military-grade weaponry off the streets? Does it seem to you like we live in a safe and civilized society when a random person can just walk around shooting kids? Why do we make it so easy for these tragedies to occur? Like someone else said, this isn't the wild west. There are so many other wealthy nations that don't have this problem, and there's one common denominator.

Armed guards didn't stop the Parkland shooting, they ran away. There are armed police departments on college campuses, but there have been many shootings on many campuses. How about the shootings and overall murder rate at Fort Hood, a place that might have a higher concentration of firearms than any other location on the planet? Even the police were incompetent at stopping the Uvalde shooter once they arrived at the school. You would think a mass shooter would be deterred by other armed people, but that's not usually the case. Sometimes they see it as a challenge, or even an opportunity to go out in a blaze of glory, "death by cop" style.

It's really a non solution to point to the lack of security in a school. Schools operate on shoestring budgets and armed guards are proven to have little chance of stopping a shooter.

I really don't understand why Americans are so scared to pare down the type and amount of guns in private hands. And I am also a gun owner, but most of mine are antiques. I have a ton of experience with firearms and that's why I understand how destructive they can be. These aren't the days of muzzle-loading muskets. When an untrained person can walk into a school and unleash hell, massacring innocent people...and this kind of thing happens over and over and over...something needs to change.

Armed guards are usually outgunned too.

(03-28-2023 11:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:49 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:00 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  In the shooters manifesto they laid out that this particular school was selected over other targets due to its LACK of security.

So in this case more guns would have possibly saved these students.

This is a tired argument and it is simply untrue. Yes, this particular shooter allegedly chose a soft target, but your focus is misplaced. Instead of turning elementary schools into Fort Knox, how about we take military-grade weaponry off the streets? Does it seem to you like we live in a safe and civilized society when a random person can just walk around shooting kids? Why do we make it so easy for these tragedies to occur? Like someone else said, this isn't the wild west. There are so many other wealthy nations that don't have this problem, and there's one common denominator.

Armed guards didn't stop the Parkland shooting, they ran away. There are armed police departments on college campuses, but there have been many shootings on many campuses. How about the shootings and overall murder rate at Fort Hood, a place that might have a higher concentration of firearms than any other location on the planet? Even the police were incompetent at stopping the Uvalde shooter once they arrived at the school. You would think a mass shooter would be deterred by other armed people, but that's not usually the case. Sometimes they see it as a challenge, or even an opportunity to go out in a blaze of glory, "death by cop" style.

It's really a non solution to point to the lack of security in a school. Schools operate on shoestring budgets and armed guards are proven to have little chance of stopping a shooter.

I really don't understand why Americans are so scared to pare down the type and amount of guns in private hands. And I am also a gun owner, but most of mine are antiques. I have a ton of experience with firearms and that's why I understand how destructive they can be. These aren't the days of muzzle-loading muskets. When an untrained person can walk into a school and unleash hell, massacring innocent people...and this kind of thing happens over and over and over...something needs to change.

Armed guards are usually outgunned too.

Also a good point. What's a 60 year old guard armed with a Glock supposed to do against an attacker that ambushes them with an AR-15?

I guess every school, shopping mall, grocery store, movie theater, concert, sporting event, and public place needs to be defended 24/7 by an entire SWAT team. Or an infantry platoon.

(03-28-2023 10:13 AM)bostonbronco Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 07:30 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  Yep a trans-man (biological female taking testosterone) anti-christian trans activist went on a shooting spree in a Christian elementary school. The coverage of the shooter will go away faster than the MSU shooter when the press found out he was a black Democrat that complained about being oppressed.

The same school that the shooter attended.

A trans person at a Christian school is asking for trouble.

You don't get much more of a heartbreaking snapshot than this one, especially if you're a parent of similarly aged children.

(03-28-2023 11:07 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 11:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:49 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 08:00 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  In the shooters manifesto they laid out that this particular school was selected over other targets due to its LACK of security.

So in this case more guns would have possibly saved these students.

This is a tired argument and it is simply untrue. Yes, this particular shooter allegedly chose a soft target, but your focus is misplaced. Instead of turning elementary schools into Fort Knox, how about we take military-grade weaponry off the streets? Does it seem to you like we live in a safe and civilized society when a random person can just walk around shooting kids? Why do we make it so easy for these tragedies to occur? Like someone else said, this isn't the wild west. There are so many other wealthy nations that don't have this problem, and there's one common denominator.

Armed guards didn't stop the Parkland shooting, they ran away. There are armed police departments on college campuses, but there have been many shootings on many campuses. How about the shootings and overall murder rate at Fort Hood, a place that might have a higher concentration of firearms than any other location on the planet? Even the police were incompetent at stopping the Uvalde shooter once they arrived at the school. You would think a mass shooter would be deterred by other armed people, but that's not usually the case. Sometimes they see it as a challenge, or even an opportunity to go out in a blaze of glory, "death by cop" style.

It's really a non solution to point to the lack of security in a school. Schools operate on shoestring budgets and armed guards are proven to have little chance of stopping a shooter.

I really don't understand why Americans are so scared to pare down the type and amount of guns in private hands. And I am also a gun owner, but most of mine are antiques. I have a ton of experience with firearms and that's why I understand how destructive they can be. These aren't the days of muzzle-loading muskets. When an untrained person can walk into a school and unleash hell, massacring innocent people...and this kind of thing happens over and over and over...something needs to change.

Armed guards are usually outgunned too.

Also a good point. What's a 60 year old guard armed with a Glock supposed to do against an attacker that ambushes them with an AR-15?

I guess every school, shopping mall, grocery store, movie theater, concert, sporting event, and public place needs to be defended 24/7 by an entire SWAT team. Or an infantry platoon.

Then they will complain about government overreach and spending even though many of their proposed solutions include this. Arming teachers etc.

Give untrained teachers guns, but ban teachers from choosing books. Sounds about right.

What needs to change hasn't since Columbine because of NRA and the politicians they own.

So unlikely it's going to any time soon if ever.

(03-28-2023 12:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Give untrained teachers guns, but ban teachers from choosing books. Sounds about right.

I wonder if Republicans will pass the tax increases needed to not only pay for guns, ammo, and bulletproof vests for the teachers, but also pay the teachers more, since they're now security guards (and book police) in addition to teachers.

Police now say the murderer shot through a locked door (not an "unlocked side door") to gain entry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nas...7da7&ei=12

(03-28-2023 01:24 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Police now say the murderer shot through a locked door (not an "unlocked side door") to gain entry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nas...7da7&ei=12

Yeah, it was a simple glass door like you'd see at a storefront. The shooter shot the glass, it shattered, and she/he walked right in. Do schools now need bullet proof glass?

I'm not sure what the answer is to stop all these shootings. I can see arguments from both sides of the gun debate. More thorough background checks and mental health evaluations seem like a good common ground to start. You shouldn't be able to go into a gun store and buy any gun you want.

(03-28-2023 01:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Give untrained teachers guns, but ban teachers from choosing books. Sounds about right.

I wonder if Republicans will pass the tax increases needed to not only pay for guns, ammo, and bulletproof vests for the teachers, but also pay the teachers more, since they're now security guards (and book police) in addition to teachers.

Republicans have also made it a talking point to say this is a mental health issue & not a gun issue. I don't agree with the gun part. But, I do agree that mental health is a part of these tragedies.

Are Republicans going to invest in health care & other resources to help communities better deal with mental health issues? Are they going to vote in favor of any bills trying to address mental health issues in schools.

Of course not.

(03-28-2023 01:34 PM)Nacho Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 01:24 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Police now say the murderer shot through a locked door (not an "unlocked side door") to gain entry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nas...7da7&ei=12

Yeah, it was a simple glass door like you'd see at a storefront. The shooter shot the glass, it shattered, and she/he walked right in. Do schools now need bullet proof glass?

I'm not sure what the answer is to stop all these shootings. I can see arguments from both sides of the gun debate. More thorough background checks and mental health evaluations seem like a good common ground to start. You shouldn't be able to go into a gun store and buy any gun you want.

No sh!t, Sherlock.

Let's start with outlawing assault weapons whose only purpose is to "assault" - kill-maim as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

Especially those who who are unarmed, defenseless, and innocent like school children and personnel.

(03-28-2023 01:39 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 01:34 PM)Nacho Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 01:24 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Police now say the murderer shot through a locked door (not an "unlocked side door") to gain entry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nas...7da7&ei=12

Yeah, it was a simple glass door like you'd see at a storefront. The shooter shot the glass, it shattered, and she/he walked right in. Do schools now need bullet proof glass?

I'm not sure what the answer is to stop all these shootings. I can see arguments from both sides of the gun debate. More thorough background checks and mental health evaluations seem like a good common ground to start. You shouldn't be able to go into a gun store and buy any gun you want.

No sh!t, Sherlock.

Let's start with outlawing assault weapons whose only purpose is to "assault" - kill-maim as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

Especially those who who are unarmed, defenseless, and innocent like school children and personnel.

Okay, Dr. Watson. How do we get these implemented?!