Mike Houston reached out to Newberry about the DC position in Greenville. I think the two are friendly but he opted to stay at Navy, likely because the money was the same (or better).

I think Newberry will do well and the new OC will breathe some life into the offense. This saddens me as an ECU fan because my favorite Navy is a Navy team that stinks... and even then y'all still have our number.

For those wondering "why promote from within a staff whose HC was just fired?": it worked out well for BYU when they hired Bronco Mendenhall. It can work and in this case, probably will.

Chesnut is official.

Also in the official announcement:

Quote:Newberry also announced that quarterbacks coach Ivin Jasper, offensive line coach Ashley Ingram and wide receivers coach Mick Yokitis will return. Additionally, Ingram has been promoted to assistant head coach and Jasper will add the fullbacks to his coaching duties. Marcus Thomas will move from director of player personnel to offensive assistant, while Jason MacDonald will assume an off-the-field role involving recruiting. Navy still has the slot back and tight end positions to fill on the offensive side of the football.

https://navysports.com/news/2023/1/4/foo...ademy.aspx

(01-05-2023 08:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

Chesnut is official.

Also in the official announcement:

Quote:Newberry also announced that quarterbacks coach Ivin Jasper, offensive line coach Ashley Ingram and wide receivers coach Mick Yokitis will return. Additionally, Ingram has been promoted to assistant head coach and Jasper will add the fullbacks to his coaching duties. Marcus Thomas will move from director of player personnel to offensive assistant, while Jason MacDonald will assume an off-the-field role involving recruiting. Navy still has the slot back and tight end positions to fill on the offensive side of the football.

https://navysports.com/news/2023/1/4/foo...ademy.aspx

The slot back coach will be key, this year was horrible for slot backs blocking and I don't really remember that ever being a problem before. Yes, I know the rules changed on cut blocks, but that did not make them block the wrong person, or no one - which happened way too much.

Why exactly do we need a tight end coach? Does that meant we are adding tight ends to the offense? I know AF has them but that is not a normal thing for us in the PJ era.

(01-05-2023 11:58 AM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 08:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

Chesnut is official.

Also in the official announcement:

Quote:Newberry also announced that quarterbacks coach Ivin Jasper, offensive line coach Ashley Ingram and wide receivers coach Mick Yokitis will return. Additionally, Ingram has been promoted to assistant head coach and Jasper will add the fullbacks to his coaching duties. Marcus Thomas will move from director of player personnel to offensive assistant, while Jason MacDonald will assume an off-the-field role involving recruiting. Navy still has the slot back and tight end positions to fill on the offensive side of the football.

https://navysports.com/news/2023/1/4/foo...ademy.aspx

The slot back coach will be key, this year was horrible for slot backs blocking and I don't really remember that ever being a problem before. Yes, I know the rules changed on cut blocks, but that did not make them block the wrong person, or no one - which happened way too much.

Why exactly do we need a tight end coach? Does that meant we are adding tight ends to the offense? I know AF has them but that is not a normal thing for us in the PJ era.

On slots, yeah.
Not from the intro presser, but from another interview - maybe Pete Medhurst on his DC radio show? - Coach Newberry talked about the offense, conversations with other OCs, etc, and while he re-affirmed option principles and even said we wouldn't abandon under center, what he talked about was getting the ball to the perimeter more.

On tight ends, our staff started saying those words this year, including Niumat a couple times but definitely Coach Peterson, who came from AF...and was not retained.

I don't know enough about Chesnut and Kenesaw to start going into details on differences. I guess I'll have to learn...

(01-05-2023 12:28 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:58 AM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 08:14 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

Chesnut is official.

Also in the official announcement:

Quote:Newberry also announced that quarterbacks coach Ivin Jasper, offensive line coach Ashley Ingram and wide receivers coach Mick Yokitis will return. Additionally, Ingram has been promoted to assistant head coach and Jasper will add the fullbacks to his coaching duties. Marcus Thomas will move from director of player personnel to offensive assistant, while Jason MacDonald will assume an off-the-field role involving recruiting. Navy still has the slot back and tight end positions to fill on the offensive side of the football.

https://navysports.com/news/2023/1/4/foo...ademy.aspx

The slot back coach will be key, this year was horrible for slot backs blocking and I don't really remember that ever being a problem before. Yes, I know the rules changed on cut blocks, but that did not make them block the wrong person, or no one - which happened way too much.

Why exactly do we need a tight end coach? Does that meant we are adding tight ends to the offense? I know AF has them but that is not a normal thing for us in the PJ era.

On slots, yeah.
Not from the intro presser, but from another interview - maybe Pete Medhurst on his DC radio show? - Coach Newberry talked about the offense, conversations with other OCs, etc, and while he re-affirmed option principles and even said we wouldn't abandon under center, what he talked about was getting the ball to the perimeter more.

On tight ends, our staff started saying those words this year, including Niumat a couple times but definitely Coach Peterson, who came from AF...and was not retained.

I don't know enough about Chesnut and Kenesaw to start going into details on differences. I guess I'll have to learn...

Just watched some of their highlights (Kenesaw St vs ETSU). It looked generically like the spread option but hard to get any details.

Tight Ends Coach:

https://navysports.com/news/2023/1/5/foo...ademy.aspx

New defensive coaching hires.

Okay, I was going to stop posting every update here. But this is a little notable...Lewis was BGSU's DC for the last two years. Yes, we gave him the "Passing Defense Coordinator" title, but all in all, this is Navy taking a G4 school's coordinator to be a position coach.

#P6

Is it just me, or do the Navy folks think that they need to evolve their option offense to a certain degree?

I'm not saying abandoned it, but perhaps the pro-style offense is the new triple option of this spread heavy era we're in. It still is different enough from what most teams run, but has some similar concepts as it pertains to personnel in the present day. Using multiple formations to keep defenses guessing and with single back, I, off-set I and some shotgun included.

I understand this will fall on deaf ears for the most part as I understand how military molded minds operate, but to run the triple option because of talent discrepancies is not cutting it anymore. I think a niche can be found to make this work. At the very least, could do more like how Air Force does running the double option from the I-formation.

I like Xs and Os and respect the military academies for how they emphasize such, but I think Navy has to do something different to regain their status as the best of the MAs.

FWIW: Was never a fan of KN because I felt he was on borrowed time trying to sustain what Paul Johnson built there from 02-08.

Best wishes on the new hire!

(01-13-2023 08:21 PM)PAAcocahesAssociation Wrote:  Is it just me, or do the Navy folks think that they need to evolve their option offense to a certain degree?

I'm not saying abandoned it, but perhaps the pro-style offense is the new triple option of this spread heavy era we're in. It still is different enough from what most teams run, but has some similar concepts as it pertains to personnel in the present day. Using multiple formations to keep defenses guessing and with single back, I, off-set I and some shotgun included.

I understand this will fall on deaf ears for the most part as I understand how military molded minds operate, but to run the triple option because of talent discrepancies is not cutting it anymore. I think a niche can be found to make this work. At the very least, could do more like how Air Force does running the double option from the I-formation.

I like Xs and Os and respect the military academies for how they emphasize such, but I think Navy has to do something different to regain their status as the best of the MAs.

FWIW: Was never a fan of KN because I felt he was on borrowed time trying to sustain what Paul Johnson built there from 02-08.

Best wishes on the new hire!

15 years of borrowed time?
11-2 and ranked to end the season 12 years after Johnson left.
Whatever.

What Newberry, Chesnut and team have talked about is getting it to the perimeter more. They have said some of that will be with formations, some will be with more quick-hit passing game -- hired a tight ends coach, for instance. They've promised a mix of under center and shotgun. We'll have to see what that all means.
Note that Army's new OC is saying similar things -- rely on the bread and butter, but open up, expand, more gun a little more passing.
The discussions here about "evolution" also included discussion of offenses like Coastal's or Davidson's. Over on Navy boards, the concern was that those shotgun RPO offenses risk being too much like what everyone else does. Doing what everyone else does with lesser athletes is probably not path to success.

Regarding pro-set, interesting to think of that as being a different enough niche to provide advantage. I WILL say that we just don't get the right bodies for it. On the line, we cant get big big guys -- can't get them in recruiting landscape and can't commission a lot of them upon graduation. Same thing with pro set pure passer qbs, just dont get them.

(01-13-2023 08:55 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 08:21 PM)PAAcocahesAssociation Wrote:  Is it just me, or do the Navy folks think that they need to evolve their option offense to a certain degree?

I'm not saying abandoned it, but perhaps the pro-style offense is the new triple option of this spread heavy era we're in. It still is different enough from what most teams run, but has some similar concepts as it pertains to personnel in the present day. Using multiple formations to keep defenses guessing and with single back, I, off-set I and some shotgun included.

I understand this will fall on deaf ears for the most part as I understand how military molded minds operate, but to run the triple option because of talent discrepancies is not cutting it anymore. I think a niche can be found to make this work. At the very least, could do more like how Air Force does running the double option from the I-formation.

I like Xs and Os and respect the military academies for how they emphasize such, but I think Navy has to do something different to regain their status as the best of the MAs.

FWIW: Was never a fan of KN because I felt he was on borrowed time trying to sustain what Paul Johnson built there from 02-08.

Best wishes on the new hire!

15 years of borrowed time?
11-2 and ranked to end the season 12 years after Johnson left.
Whatever.

What Newberry, Chesnut and team have talked about is getting it to the perimeter more. They have said some of that will be with formations, some will be with more quick-hit passing game -- hired a tight ends coach, for instance. They've promised a mix of under center and shotgun. We'll have to see what that all means.
Note that Army's new OC is saying similar things -- rely on the bread and butter, but open up, expand, more gun a little more passing.
The discussions here about "evolution" also included discussion of offenses like Coastal's or Davidson's. Over on Navy boards, the concern was that those shotgun RPO offenses risk being too much like what everyone else does. Doing what everyone else does with lesser athletes is probably not path to success.

Regarding pro-set, interesting to think of that as being a different enough niche to provide advantage. I WILL say that we just don't get the right bodies for it. On the line, we cant get big big guys -- can't get them in recruiting landscape and can't commission a lot of them upon graduation. Same thing with pro set pure passer qbs, just dont get them.

I agree with essentially everything you say here with one small caveat. It has seemed to me for a number of years that the RPO would fit within the triple option scheme very well. It probably could not be used on a true triple option, but a speed option or similar to the outside with an RPO as the third option would force the safeties and LB's to make a choice between coverage and run support they don't have to make now once the ball gets outside.

Beyond whatever gains on RPO plays themselves, forcing another decision on the perimeter run support should slow them down crashing the perimeter and that would be a plus all by itself.