Bottom line is if ACC loses 2 they likely lose more than 2. SEC and Big will gut it. My guess is at a minimum, FSU, Clemson, NC, Va would be gone. And quite possibly UM, NC State, and the 2 tech's.

That being said, even with a raid of only 2 the $$ wouldn't work anymore for B12 to ACC jump.

(12-09-2022 11:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Bottom line is if ACC loses 2 they likely lose more than 2. SEC and Big will gut it. My guess is at a minimum, FSU, Clemson, NC, Va would be gone. And quite possibly UM, NC State, and the 2 tech's.

That being said, even with a raid of only 2 the $$ wouldn't work anymore for B12 to ACC jump.

If the ACC loses 4, I think SMU, Tulane, Temple, and Memphis would get invites. Maybe swap Temple for USF.

The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

This actually is pretty damn insightful.

(12-09-2022 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 11:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Bottom line is if ACC loses 2 they likely lose more than 2. SEC and Big will gut it. My guess is at a minimum, FSU, Clemson, NC, Va would be gone. And quite possibly UM, NC State, and the 2 tech's.

That being said, even with a raid of only 2 the $$ wouldn't work anymore for B12 to ACC jump.

If the ACC loses 4, I think SMU, Tulane, Temple, and Memphis would get invites. Maybe swap Temple for USF.

I don’t think so. The ACC snobbery runs deep. Memphis would be in the toughest spot because of their academics, like ECU. ECU has that issue plus a non-relevant basketball program. So our schools are in the worst spot. West Virginia has gotten equal treatment because of their academics. Not that our academics are terrible, just not on par with those in the ACC. Our only shot moving upward is the Big12, which is focused on the west.

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

The new playoff format could change that. Being a big fish in a smallish conference is probably the easiest way into the playoffs. That will change the dynamic a bit.

(12-14-2022 09:09 PM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

The new playoff format could change that. Being a big fish in a smallish conference is probably the easiest way into the playoffs. That will change the dynamic a bit.

It certainly does help out the AAC a great deal and as stated above, the Big12's parity after UT and OK leave makes their path a bit easier as well.

(12-14-2022 08:56 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 11:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Bottom line is if ACC loses 2 they likely lose more than 2. SEC and Big will gut it. My guess is at a minimum, FSU, Clemson, NC, Va would be gone. And quite possibly UM, NC State, and the 2 tech's.

That being said, even with a raid of only 2 the $$ wouldn't work anymore for B12 to ACC jump.

If the ACC loses 4, I think SMU, Tulane, Temple, and Memphis would get invites. Maybe swap Temple for USF.

I don’t think so. The ACC snobbery runs deep. Memphis would be in the toughest spot because of their academics, like ECU. ECU has that issue plus a non-relevant basketball program. So our schools are in the worst spot. West Virginia has gotten equal treatment because of their academics. Not that our academics are terrible, just not on par with those in the ACC. Our only shot moving upward is the Big12, which is focused on the west.

The ACC took Louisville. The academics thing went out the door at that point.

(12-16-2022 07:22 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 08:56 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 11:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Bottom line is if ACC loses 2 they likely lose more than 2. SEC and Big will gut it. My guess is at a minimum, FSU, Clemson, NC, Va would be gone. And quite possibly UM, NC State, and the 2 tech's.

That being said, even with a raid of only 2 the $$ wouldn't work anymore for B12 to ACC jump.

If the ACC loses 4, I think SMU, Tulane, Temple, and Memphis would get invites. Maybe swap Temple for USF.

I don’t think so. The ACC snobbery runs deep. Memphis would be in the toughest spot because of their academics, like ECU. ECU has that issue plus a non-relevant basketball program. So our schools are in the worst spot. West Virginia has gotten equal treatment because of their academics. Not that our academics are terrible, just not on par with those in the ACC. Our only shot moving upward is the Big12, which is focused on the west.

The ACC took Louisville. The academics thing went out the door at that point.

Lol. Yeah that was a bit of a stretch for the ACC, but Louisville is ranked somewhere below 200 while Memphis, ECU, and WVU all rank low to mid 200s.

(12-14-2022 09:09 PM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

The new playoff format could change that. Being a big fish in a smallish conference is probably the easiest way into the playoffs. That will change the dynamic a bit.

For an embarrassingly large amount of teams there is no interest in winning (it all) merely getting paid.

(12-16-2022 09:39 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 09:09 PM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

The new playoff format could change that. Being a big fish in a smallish conference is probably the easiest way into the playoffs. That will change the dynamic a bit.

For an embarrassingly large amount of teams there is no interest in winning (it all) merely getting paid.

Cough *Rutgers cough cough

(12-16-2022 10:08 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 09:39 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 09:09 PM)Vonz90 Wrote:  

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  The things that have historically been good for conferences (having high end brands) is currently the thing that makes them so vulnerable.

Pac was vulnerable because USC/UCLA is super valuable. Oregon/Wash to a lesser extent. ACC is vulnerable because Clemson, UNC are valuable.

The Big 12 is in a good position because of parity. Good not great brands, no dead weight. Their fanbases can grow organically.

The new playoff format could change that. Being a big fish in a smallish conference is probably the easiest way into the playoffs. That will change the dynamic a bit.

For an embarrassingly large amount of teams there is no interest in winning (it all) merely getting paid.

Cough *Rutgers cough cough

You coming down with that Scarlet (knight) Fever?

Just saying

Be interesting if Big12 goes after Oregon and OSt

So Fickel is going to coach Wisconsin tonight? Odd.