(12-04-2022 10:19 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:Fcs conferences aren't invited to the table to discuss playoff money that don't involve them.
Therefore the WAC would likely need to be a FBS conference by then. Jump through the hoops then we'll talk.

They might invited be with the threat of an anti-trust lawsuit. People like to tout that the CFP deal is "private," but that would never hold up to a serious challenge in court because of the amount of taxpayer funded institutions involved.

Besides. You had two conferences that already vetted this plan once. It's the same plan...just one group doing it instead of two.

Again, do I think this thing is likely to go all the way through? No, I think you probably see enough schools added to C-USA to prevent it from happening. But like I said, if those schools sign a GOR, it might not be possible, and at the very least it might induce C-USA to act quicker than it really wants to. That might be the endgame here.

Long story short, if you've watched everything that has happened to college football in the last five years and you're hanging your hat on something that *can't* happen...well then I have a bridge to sell you.

Well where's it located?
I've been watching and I haven't been wrong by much.
I've been In the same place you are now, hoping the WAC would add a bunch of eastern schools.

EKU was in that plan also. And the WAC then was FBS and it was a far more likely plan than this.
That didn't happen and neither will this.

I sympathize, but that's the wrong thing to bet on.
EKU will likely be in that next group. Unless Cusa goes west only. I sincerely hope you are

(12-04-2022 10:02 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 08:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 12:04 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:45 AM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:KSU is a large well known school in Atlanta. Remember KSU is a popular school within its own state than KSU is within its on state.

You are missing several points here.

1. That may be true, but Georgia's a larger state. EKU and KSU's enrollments as a percentage of their state's populations are actually pretty similar, but that's not even really my point...

2. Louisville is a city borderline large enough for major league sports. It's really barely on the outside of that line, and it's larger than a few cities that do have major league teams, but it doesn't have any of its own. There's no competition here. College sports is *everything* to the sports consumer in this city and this state, and you can't say that in Atlanta. There's a lot more going on.

3. Also, back to the idea of EKU and WKU together, which combined have an enrollment over 30,000, and pre-pandemic they were near a combined 40,000, both with heavy alumni bases in Louisville. That's significant.

Re: the above incoherent post by KSU fan. I assume as does EKU 05, that he is comparing KSU to EKU. The statement makes little sense, but assuming he’s comparing the two. I have lived in several cities in KY, from north eastern, central Ky to Louisville most of my life, I now have live south west of Atlanta and I call this statement BS! I am approximately 30 mins south of the city, no one and I mean no one mentions Kennesaw State around here, maybe they are all that and a glass of bourbon, but he does not know what he’s talking about in comparing the two in how “well known” they are in their respective states. Curious how long did he live in Kentucky to be such an expert!

They might not talk about in conversations but they know the school. KSU is the second largest school in Georgia. It's known, all of the large school in Georgia are known.

I've been living in the Atlanta tv market 47 years. KSU had the same amount of attention almost all fcs teams get. Almost none. I have seen Marietta/Kennesaw grow from a small town to the ugly monster it is now. KSU is no more popular in Ga than any other G5/fcs school. Like everywhere else in Ga it's UGA and GA TECH.
I imagine EKU has the same trouble.
What KSU has over EKU is it's location. In the atl market.
Like it or not location dictates possible viewership and thus the amount of money a media deal is worth.
Why do you think the sbc was willing to add Ga St so quickly. You also might note KSU was added just as quickly.
It sucks but it's true.

Please note. I am not and was not talking about WHY KSU was invited to join CUSA, frankly I do not care. I’ve heard the location argument ad nauseam. We have been over this crap before and I don’t care to debate it again. My reply was simply to the KSU wise guy who was essentially telling us all how much more “popular” KSU is in GA as compared to EKU in Kentucky. First of all the statement clearly made no sense ( what adult uses the word “popular” in that context?) and was an incoherent attempt at an insult. You don’t have to convince me why, they were picked, it’s done, you got ‘em and I could give two hoots why.

(12-04-2022 11:28 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:19 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:Fcs conferences aren't invited to the table to discuss playoff money that don't involve them.
Therefore the WAC would likely need to be a FBS conference by then. Jump through the hoops then we'll talk.

They might invited be with the threat of an anti-trust lawsuit. People like to tout that the CFP deal is "private," but that would never hold up to a serious challenge in court because of the amount of taxpayer funded institutions involved.

Besides. You had two conferences that already vetted this plan once. It's the same plan...just one group doing it instead of two.

Again, do I think this thing is likely to go all the way through? No, I think you probably see enough schools added to C-USA to prevent it from happening. But like I said, if those schools sign a GOR, it might not be possible, and at the very least it might induce C-USA to act quicker than it really wants to. That might be the endgame here.

Long story short, if you've watched everything that has happened to college football in the last five years and you're hanging your hat on something that *can't* happen...well then I have a bridge to sell you.

Well where's it located.
I've been watch and I haven't been wrong by much.
I've been In the same place you are hoping the WAC would add a bunch of eastern schools.

EKU was in that plan also. And the WAC then was FBS and it was a far more likely plan than this.
That didn't happen and neither will this.

I sympathize, but that's the wrong thing to bet on. EKU will likely be in that next group. Unless Cusa goes west only. I sincerely hope you are

It didn't happen because a couple of schools decided to ditch the plan... it barely had time to materialize. (I'm not blaming the schools, but you have to tell the truth about what happened)

Quote:It didn't happen because a couple of schools decided to ditch the plan... it barely had time to materialize. (I'm not blaming the schools, but you have to tell the truth about what happened)

This all day long. And I'm not saying schools won't get picked off again, so there's no guarantee that it will work.

But there is an actual plan. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.

(12-04-2022 10:31 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:43 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:36 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I'm sure the WAC commish IS involved in some "talks". But he can't change the CFP. It never hurts to talk and try. A WAC fcs league is a great idea.

IMO the SFA coach and AP AD are "positioning". They know the G5 will add someone and THEY (squeaky wheel) want to be THE ONES included.

Everything in this post is just my opinion-- except for one thing: The WAC commish can't change the CFP.

True. But he can try to make sure the WAC, if it comes to fluition, is part of the new contract for '26.

That is the Key... 2026, even if the WAC is not at the FBS level by 2026, they mist be included in the new deal.

Planning now and positioning the conference to be ready by 2026 or shortly thereafter is a way for the WAC to participate in that future contract... JMO!

Your statement- " ... even if the WAC is not at the FBS level by 2026, they MUST [sp corrected] be included in the new deal."

---- For what reason "must" the WAC be included in the new contract?? (just because the WAC "wants" inclusion with the other eleven CFP members?)


Please google: CFP Governance - College Football Playoff
The first four or five sentences explain who controls the entire process of budgets and policies.
Are some here reluctant to go to this site? Besides that first page-- you can navigate around and find out a LOT of interesting facts about CFP college member policies. Easy reading.







--- Also don't forget--- these contracts between the CFP board and media are always signed and done about a year (or more) in advance of their beginning date. That 2026 contract will be finished in late 2024 or early 2025. If you look at the history of these "mega-deals" (not individual conferences) they are finalized well ahead.

---It is NECESSARY to have CFP money in order to afford the move to FBS- this conclusion is directly from WACSUN AD's and top officials-- NOT an opinion.

(12-04-2022 10:45 AM)eku05 Wrote:  Louisville is a city borderline large enough for major league sports. It's really barely on the outside of that line, and it's larger than a few cities that do have major league teams, but it doesn't have any of its own. There's no competition here. College sports is *everything* to the sports consumer in this city and this state, and you can't say that in Atlanta. There's a lot more going on.

I don't have "a dog in this [FBS] fight," but, as someone who's lived three stints in Louisville (over three decades in total), I think you're giving this city too much sports credit. You're right about college sports being king, but (and sadly) the population base generally only cares about UK and U of L, and even that support is waning somewhat given the gazillion entertainment options out there now. Louisville is not a good sports town, in my opinion.

(12-05-2022 12:59 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:31 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:43 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:36 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I'm sure the WAC commish IS involved in some "talks". But he can't change the CFP. It never hurts to talk and try. A WAC fcs league is a great idea.

IMO the SFA coach and AP AD are "positioning". They know the G5 will add someone and THEY (squeaky wheel) want to be THE ONES included.

Everything in this post is just my opinion-- except for one thing: The WAC commish can't change the CFP.

True. But he can try to make sure the WAC, if it comes to fluition, is part of the new contract for '26.

That is the Key... 2026, even if the WAC is not at the FBS level by 2026, they mist be included in the new deal.

Planning now and positioning the conference to be ready by 2026 or shortly thereafter is a way for the WAC to participate in that future contract... JMO!

Your statement- " ... even if the WAC is not at the FBS level by 2026, they MUST [sp corrected] be included in the new deal."

---- For what reason "must" the WAC be included in the new contract?? (just because the WAC "wants" inclusion with the other eleven CFP members?)


Please google: CFP Governance - College Football Playoff
The first four or five sentences explain who controls the entire process of budgets and policies.
Are some here reluctant to go to this site? Besides that first page-- you can navigate around and find out a LOT of interesting facts about CFP college member policies. Easy reading.







--- Also don't forget--- these contracts between the CFP board and media are always signed and done about a year (or more) in advance of their beginning date. That 2026 contract will be finished in late 2024 or early 2025. If you look at the history of these "mega-deals" (not individual conferences) they are finalized well ahead.

---It is NECESSARY to have CFP money in order to afford the move to FBS- this conclusion is directly from WACSUN AD's and top officials-- NOT an opinion.

So I see a site that discusses what is going on now. And based on that your saying that the membership won't change for the next agreement. So answer the reverse of your question, why would they deny access to a conference that then meets NCAA FBS requirements.

I know, why split the money more.

(12-04-2022 10:02 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 08:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 12:04 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:45 AM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:KSU is a large well known school in Atlanta. Remember KSU is a popular school within its own state than KSU is within its on state.

You are missing several points here.

1. That may be true, but Georgia's a larger state. EKU and KSU's enrollments as a percentage of their state's populations are actually pretty similar, but that's not even really my point...

2. Louisville is a city borderline large enough for major league sports. It's really barely on the outside of that line, and it's larger than a few cities that do have major league teams, but it doesn't have any of its own. There's no competition here. College sports is *everything* to the sports consumer in this city and this state, and you can't say that in Atlanta. There's a lot more going on.

3. Also, back to the idea of EKU and WKU together, which combined have an enrollment over 30,000, and pre-pandemic they were near a combined 40,000, both with heavy alumni bases in Louisville. That's significant.

Re: the above incoherent post by KSU fan. I assume as does EKU 05, that he is comparing KSU to EKU. The statement makes little sense, but assuming he’s comparing the two. I have lived in several cities in KY, from north eastern, central Ky to Louisville most of my life, I now have live south west of Atlanta and I call this statement BS! I am approximately 30 mins south of the city, no one and I mean no one mentions Kennesaw State around here, maybe they are all that and a glass of bourbon, but he does not know what he’s talking about in comparing the two in how “well known” they are in their respective states. Curious how long did he live in Kentucky to be such an expert!

They might not talk about in conversations but they know the school. KSU is the second largest school in Georgia. It's known, all of the large school in Georgia are known.

I've been living in the Atlanta tv market 47 years. KSU had the same amount of attention almost all fcs teams get. Almost none. I have seen Marietta/Kennesaw grow from a small town to the ugly monster it is now. KSU is no more popular in Ga than any other G5/fcs school. Like everywhere else in Ga it's UGA and GA TECH.
I imagine EKU has the same trouble.
What KSU has over EKU is it's location. In the atl market.
Like it or not location dictates possible viewership and thus the amount of money a media deal is worth.
Why do you think the sbc was willing to add Ga St so quickly. You also might note KSU was added just as quickly.
It sucks but it's true.

Ga Tech ;may get more press than everyone other than UGA but the state is UGA and a long ways to Ga Tech. KSU is closer to Ga Tech than Ga Tech is to UGA. I cant remember the last GT fan I meet that wasnt at our family reunion. Those are the same ones every time, family members who graduated from GT.

More than likely KSU will get the same level of press as GSU and more than GaSo. KSU has the ability to pass GSU in coverage since the North Atlanta market has more desirable consumers for advertisers. If KSU or GSU get on a run their coverage could equal GTs but only for that year. But let no anyone tell you the state isnt UGAs and wont stay UGAs.

Quote:and even that support is waning somewhat given the gazillion entertainment options out there now. Louisville is not a good sports town, in my opinion.

And you think there aren't a gazillion other options in Atlanta and other cities like it? What you're stating isn't about Louisville...it's a universal truth of live sports. Attendance at games is trending down nearly across the board as other entertainment options emerge, and the home viewing experience improves (that's why the TV money is driving the discussions right now).

Of course the lows of attendance at U of L basketball coincide with the worst team they've had in over half a century, and the wake of the five years of sanctions clouds they just emerged from. That's not a commentary on the town or the fans so much as the circumstances. Prior to the scandal era Louisville basketball was annually one of only three programs that could expect to average 20,000+.

Louisville is normally the #1 viewing market in the country for college basketball. This year may be an exception to that.

That's one of the reasons why I feel so good about the trajectory of EKU athletics right now. As most attendance is going down, we're seeing highs we haven't seen in decades, and I credit our current university and athletic department leadership in that.

It's subjective, but I'd put Louisville up against any sports town without a major league franchise out there. I mean, look how quickly Bellarmine has built up the momentum they have. I don't think the support they're getting gets its proper due because they play in cavernous Freedom Hall.

Quote:So I see a site that discusses what is going on now. And based on that your saying that the membership won't change for the next agreement. So answer the reverse of your question, why would they deny access to a conference that then meets NCAA FBS requirements.

They might try, but I would say again...if they try there could be anti-trust lawsuits coming. Given how little they stand to lose, the Power 5 may just as soon allow it to happen rather than fight. It's the G5 who have more to lose, but they have far less influence.

You can find whatever you want in an agreement, but there was also a rule saying Liberty couldn't do what they did. Is it the same situation? Not even close, but the point is that there is precedent for things happening even when the written rules said they couldn't.

(12-04-2022 11:31 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 11:28 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:19 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:Fcs conferences aren't invited to the table to discuss playoff money that don't involve them.
Therefore the WAC would likely need to be a FBS conference by then. Jump through the hoops then we'll talk.

It would be a real possibility except for the fact that every conference appears to be going to 14 or 16 schools.

They might invited be with the threat of an anti-trust lawsuit. People like to tout that the CFP deal is "private," but that would never hold up to a serious challenge in court because of the amount of taxpayer funded institutions involved.

Besides. You had two conferences that already vetted this plan once. It's the same plan...just one group doing it instead of two.

Again, do I think this thing is likely to go all the way through? No, I think you probably see enough schools added to C-USA to prevent it from happening. But like I said, if those schools sign a GOR, it might not be possible, and at the very least it might induce C-USA to act quicker than it really wants to. That might be the endgame here.

Long story short, if you've watched everything that has happened to college football in the last five years and you're hanging your hat on something that *can't* happen...well then I have a bridge to sell you.

Well where's it located.
I've been watch and I haven't been wrong by much.
I've been In the same place you are hoping the WAC would add a bunch of eastern schools.

EKU was in that plan also. And the WAC then was FBS and it was a far more likely plan than this.
That didn't happen and neither will this.

I sympathize, but that's the wrong thing to bet on. EKU will likely be in that next group. Unless Cusa goes west only. I sincerely hope you are

It didn't happen because a couple of schools decided to ditch the plan... it barely had time to materialize. (I'm not blaming the schools, but you have to tell the truth about what happened)

That's exactly correct. Wasn't implying anything else. That's what will happen here also. Some won't be ready a couple will likely leave at best the only option left is for the rest to be independent FBS. Which will cost too much for most. Unless something drastic happens with the transformation committee there won't be any 4 or 5 team FBS conferences. So As I stated plainly the new WAC east plan will collapse also.

Quote:That's exactly correct. Wasn't implying anything else. That's what will happen here also. Some won't be ready a couple will likely leave at best the only option left is for the rest to be independent FBS. Which will cost too much for most. Unless something drastic happens with the transformation committee there won't be any 4 or 5 team FBS conferences. So As I stated plainly the new WAC east plan will collapse also.

I think you're *probably* right (as I've said all along), but...

It's not like all of these schools don't know what happened last time. Maybe they are preparing to sign a long-term GOR to make sure it doesn't happen again. Maybe not, but I wouldn't rule it out. At some point you have to figure a group if schools is going to get tired of letting C-USA judge the living and damned. Even the threat of such an agreement might induce some earlier than planned action from them because if this whole group of schools suddenly became unavailable, C-USA is suddenly in a very precarious spot again (hypothetically speaking).

(12-02-2022 09:34 PM)unalions Wrote:  It's starting to feel like cliques in high school a bit as I hear it unfold. The WAC/ASUN teams are mad at the schools that accepted the CUSA invites and aren't interested now in following them to CUSA. Yet, I'm sure they'd all accept an invite. So, it's messy.

EKU (and Matt Brown) think WKU blocked them from CUSA and KSU got the invite instead.

APSU feels like UNA, UCA, EKU, and JSU lured them to the ASUN and then Jax State and KSU left before they even got in the door.

SFA's coach basically said that SHSU jumped the gun and went against their plan to go FBS as a conference.

Are these bridges on fire, burning, burned down? Who knows?

I don't think any bridges are on fire or even smoldering right now.

Basically, the conversation would go like this:

SFA: We're mad at SHSU for ruining a great plan we had in place to join the WAC and move together to FBS. Everything would've been great if those stinking Bearkats hadn't messed it up. We hate them. We hate everything about them. We don't need to wait on an invite from their crappy little G5 conference. We'll do things our own way, thank you!

CUSA: Hey, we have a spot available. You guys want it?

SFA: YES!!!

=====

I'm not crapping on SFA or any other school currently trying to find a way out of FCS. You guys are all exactly where Jax State was before the right dominoes finally fell above us, and we found ourselves with an FBS invite.

I believe the WAC and ASUN schools *will* work together to try to find an opening to move up together. It may not ever happen, for all the reasons others have pointed out and more, but they'd be foolish not to try.

That said, the second an invite comes down to an individual school, the needs of the WAC and ASUN fall way behind on the priority list. It's every man for himself.

If any AD would put his conference above the needs of his own program, he needs to be fired immediately.

Quote:If any AD would put his conference above the needs of his own program, he needs to be fired immediately.

I agree, and that's why I keep saying that the main chance for this to work would be for the schools to sign a long-term GOR fairly early in the process. Of course any school would jump at the C-USA invite, but right now none of them know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'll be the one invited and not the one left behind. Even if they did, they don't know when.

Which brings me back to...they might be willing to financially sign away their freedom to make that move ***if, if, if*** they have or acquire enough information that the WAC plan is viable and reliable.

In other words...they might be willing to trade away *chance* at the thing they really want for the sure thing that is *most* of what they want.

This will be an imperfect analogy, but...

If you were offered a 50% chance of winning a million dollars or a 100% chance of winning 750,000 dollars, which would you choose?

The WAC Asun would need to add to the mix several other schools that would outweigh any loses to realignment. Get up to 12 interested schools and then maybe end up with 8 in the end. It's still a long hard road to tread.

Quote:EKU (and Matt Brown) think WKU blocked them from CUSA and KSU got the invite instead.

I don't necessarily think exactly this. I think WKU is lobbying against us, but I've never argued that we would automatically have been the pick over KSU even if that wasn't the case.

What I do think is at least possible is that when they went to nine EKU probably would have been the next pick, and they decided (perhaps at WKU's request) to hold off for a year to see if KSU could pull things together and be ready. They were, and the rest is history.

I think in 20 years when people look back the market thing will have been overrated. It's making the people in charge a lot of money in the short term, but I'm not sure it's the best long-term play. But it doesn't matter what I think. It's the conventional wisdom of our time, and it's how decisions are being made.

(12-04-2022 10:02 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 08:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 12:04 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:45 AM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:KSU is a large well known school in Atlanta. Remember KSU is a popular school within its own state than KSU is within its on state.

You are missing several points here.

1. That may be true, but Georgia's a larger state. EKU and KSU's enrollments as a percentage of their state's populations are actually pretty similar, but that's not even really my point...

2. Louisville is a city borderline large enough for major league sports. It's really barely on the outside of that line, and it's larger than a few cities that do have major league teams, but it doesn't have any of its own. There's no competition here. College sports is *everything* to the sports consumer in this city and this state, and you can't say that in Atlanta. There's a lot more going on.

3. Also, back to the idea of EKU and WKU together, which combined have an enrollment over 30,000, and pre-pandemic they were near a combined 40,000, both with heavy alumni bases in Louisville. That's significant.

Re: the above incoherent post by KSU fan. I assume as does EKU 05, that he is comparing KSU to EKU. The statement makes little sense, but assuming he’s comparing the two. I have lived in several cities in KY, from north eastern, central Ky to Louisville most of my life, I now have live south west of Atlanta and I call this statement BS! I am approximately 30 mins south of the city, no one and I mean no one mentions Kennesaw State around here, maybe they are all that and a glass of bourbon, but he does not know what he’s talking about in comparing the two in how “well known” they are in their respective states. Curious how long did he live in Kentucky to be such an expert!

They might not talk about in conversations but they know the school. KSU is the second largest school in Georgia. It's known, all of the large school in Georgia are known.

I've been living in the Atlanta tv market 47 years. KSU had the same amount of attention almost all fcs teams get. Almost none. I have seen Marietta/Kennesaw grow from a small town to the ugly monster it is now. KSU is no more popular in Ga than any other G5/fcs school. Like everywhere else in Ga it's UGA and GA TECH.
I imagine EKU has the same trouble.
What KSU has over EKU is it's location. In the atl market.
Like it or not location dictates possible viewership and thus the amount of money a media deal is worth.
Why do you think the sbc was willing to add Ga St so quickly. You also might note KSU was added just as quickly.
It sucks but it's true.

As a university KSU has more students than Georgia Southern 10K more as well as Georgia State. I am not just talking about football, I am talking about the overall school.

Bold text is not true. Georgia State only sent 3 seasons in the FCS while KSU will spend 8 seasons. Georgia State was not good in the FCS as well. Compare Georgia State first 3 season against KSU first 3 seasons.

I did not say that KSU gets more attention then other FCS schools. Georgia State was bad in the FCS while KSU was good. Georgia State won a total of 6 games over a corse of 3 seasons. KSU football was ahead of Georgia State football at the time Georgia State move up. KSU has won there conference 3 times in FCS and made playoff runs and won playoff games in the FCS while Georgia State was winning 1 or 2 games a season.

(12-04-2022 11:30 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:02 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 08:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 12:04 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:45 AM)eku05 Wrote:  You are missing several points here.

1. That may be true, but Georgia's a larger state. EKU and KSU's enrollments as a percentage of their state's populations are actually pretty similar, but that's not even really my point...

2. Louisville is a city borderline large enough for major league sports. It's really barely on the outside of that line, and it's larger than a few cities that do have major league teams, but it doesn't have any of its own. There's no competition here. College sports is *everything* to the sports consumer in this city and this state, and you can't say that in Atlanta. There's a lot more going on.

3. Also, back to the idea of EKU and WKU together, which combined have an enrollment over 30,000, and pre-pandemic they were near a combined 40,000, both with heavy alumni bases in Louisville. That's significant.

Re: the above incoherent post by KSU fan. I assume as does EKU 05, that he is comparing KSU to EKU. The statement makes little sense, but assuming he’s comparing the two. I have lived in several cities in KY, from north eastern, central Ky to Louisville most of my life, I now have live south west of Atlanta and I call this statement BS! I am approximately 30 mins south of the city, no one and I mean no one mentions Kennesaw State around here, maybe they are all that and a glass of bourbon, but he does not know what he’s talking about in comparing the two in how “well known” they are in their respective states. Curious how long did he live in Kentucky to be such an expert!

They might not talk about in conversations but they know the school. KSU is the second largest school in Georgia. It's known, all of the large school in Georgia are known.

I've been living in the Atlanta tv market 47 years. KSU had the same amount of attention almost all fcs teams get. Almost none. I have seen Marietta/Kennesaw grow from a small town to the ugly monster it is now. KSU is no more popular in Ga than any other G5/fcs school. Like everywhere else in Ga it's UGA and GA TECH.
I imagine EKU has the same trouble.
What KSU has over EKU is it's location. In the atl market.
Like it or not location dictates possible viewership and thus the amount of money a media deal is worth.
Why do you think the sbc was willing to add Ga St so quickly. You also might note KSU was added just as quickly.
It sucks but it's true.

Please note. I am not and was not talking about WHY KSU was invited to join CUSA, frankly I do not care. I’ve heard the location argument ad nauseam. We have been over this crap before and I don’t care to debate it again. My reply was simply to the KSU wise guy who was essentially telling us all how much more “popular” KSU is in GA as compared to EKU in Kentucky. First of all the statement clearly made no sense ( what adult uses the word “popular” in that context?) and was an incoherent attempt at an insult. You don’t have to convince me why, they were picked, it’s done, you got ‘em and I could give two hoots why.

I was implying that KSU has a whole is more popular in it's state of GA then EKU in its state of KY. Again look at KSU's enrollment and the size of the university. I am talking about as a whole not football.

(12-05-2022 06:40 PM)unalions Wrote:  Interesting discussion at today’s Knight Commission meeting which included members of the DI Transformation Committee.

Here’s the link: https://www.knightcommission.org/2022/12...-i-sports/

Governance of FBS Football

In the discussion of FBS football governance, LEAD1 representatives presented the proposal it recommended to the NCAA Division I Board of Directors and the Division I Transformation Committee.

The proposal calls for a significant overhaul of FBS football governance by creating a new governing board and establishing a Chief Operating Officer for the sport – both additions within the NCAA structure.

The Commission commends LEAD1 for its recommendation to place four independent directors, including two former FBS athletes, on any new FBS Football Governing Board—a proposal that adopts the Commission’s 2020 recommendation for an independently-led governing board that includes current and former players.

Co-Chair Duncan said, “While some aspects of the LEAD1 proposal could improve FBS governance, the proposal fails to address the elephant of FBS reform, the role of the CFP and its soaring revenues.” With the CFP set to expand to 12 teams, the FBS football national championship could soon bring in $2 billion annually, double the revenues of the NCAA. These revenues are managed separately by a little-known private company that oversees the CFP, the CFP Administration LLC.

To date, the CFP has refused Knight Commission recommendations to add independent directors, including health and safety experts, and football players to its governing board. Just as critical, the CFP has been unwilling to earmark any portion of its revenues toward improving athlete health, safety, and well-being, or toward boosting diversity in FBS’s coaching ranks.

The Commission continues to call on the CFP to display greater financial transparency and reform by adopting the Commission’s 2021 proposed financial framework for shared athletics revenues or similar solutions. The Commission’s “Connecting Athletics Revenue to the Educational (C.A.R.E.) Model of College Sports” would ensure most shared revenues are connected to Division I’s core mission of supporting athletes’ education, health, safety, and well-being, instead of being spent on gaining competitive recruiting advantages, gilded athletic facilities and exorbitant coaching salaries and buyouts.

Thought I’d share this here, too.

(12-05-2022 05:17 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 11:30 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  

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(12-04-2022 08:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 12:04 PM)LexColonel Wrote:  Re: the above incoherent post by KSU fan. I assume as does EKU 05, that he is comparing KSU to EKU. The statement makes little sense, but assuming he’s comparing the two. I have lived in several cities in KY, from north eastern, central Ky to Louisville most of my life, I now have live south west of Atlanta and I call this statement BS! I am approximately 30 mins south of the city, no one and I mean no one mentions Kennesaw State around here, maybe they are all that and a glass of bourbon, but he does not know what he’s talking about in comparing the two in how “well known” they are in their respective states. Curious how long did he live in Kentucky to be such an expert!

They might not talk about in conversations but they know the school. KSU is the second largest school in Georgia. It's known, all of the large school in Georgia are known.

I've been living in the Atlanta tv market 47 years. KSU had the same amount of attention almost all fcs teams get. Almost none. I have seen Marietta/Kennesaw grow from a small town to the ugly monster it is now. KSU is no more popular in Ga than any other G5/fcs school. Like everywhere else in Ga it's UGA and GA TECH.
I imagine EKU has the same trouble.
What KSU has over EKU is it's location. In the atl market.
Like it or not location dictates possible viewership and thus the amount of money a media deal is worth.
Why do you think the sbc was willing to add Ga St so quickly. You also might note KSU was added just as quickly.
It sucks but it's true.

Please note. I am not and was not talking about WHY KSU was invited to join CUSA, frankly I do not care. I’ve heard the location argument ad nauseam. We have been over this crap before and I don’t care to debate it again. My reply was simply to the KSU wise guy who was essentially telling us all how much more “popular” KSU is in GA as compared to EKU in Kentucky. First of all the statement clearly made no sense ( what adult uses the word “popular” in that context?) and was an incoherent attempt at an insult. You don’t have to convince me why, they were picked, it’s done, you got ‘em and I could give two hoots why.

I was implying that KSU has a whole is more popular in it's state of GA then EKU in its state of KY. Again look at KSU's enrollment and the size of the university. I am talking about as a whole not football.

Apples to oranges… I believe you chose the wrong words “more popular”, it is relative to size of the state and mission… and EKU is not a commuter school. Popularity is a poor choice of words and criteria. By your parameters, KSU is “more popular ” in GA than the Univ of Ky is in the state of Kentucky, after all you have more students than they do. This is a juvenile and silly argument. You all got the golden egg, be happy with that, stop trying to convince us how superior you are, waste of time.