(11-25-2022 11:46 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Coach Carthel is probably a fine man and coach. Let's hear from at least ONE more college president, AD, or conference commissioner from the current WAC-ASUN about this "FBS move-up" being part of DEFINITE PLANS.

Not wishing or hoping. Just ONE other TOP official.

I’m certain we will. It was already being said behind the scenes. That’s why I posted this to your OP.

(11-23-2022 08:18 PM)unalions Wrote:  I was told this by lion1983 earlier this month. Glad to finally hear someone in the know say it out loud.

I'm not saying it will or will not happen...

We all know how quick things change in college athletics.

What I am telling is what the plan in place is. You can tell me all you want about how it's next to impossible, or that Matt Brown said the only way to survive is with the money... But your acting like the ones who are making the plans don't already know this. So maybe, just maybe they have a plan in place.

I just relay what I have been told from sources that are involved.

I was told about this months ago, was also told not to say anything publicly. Then the video came out, and, well.

There are still things I absolutely can not say until it is made public.

So let's have fun, speculate, and be happy.

It's just plain logic that since there is more realignment in the near future, the pac and down. Pac >>mwc>>cusa or sbc. It is likely 2 or possibly more replacement schools will come from the WAC/Asun.
Does that leave 8 teams to make a move up together and so will the WAC Asun have replacements available to make this move.
Just as realignment destroyed the WAC and Asun individually as stand alone fcs conferences it will also destroy their ability to make the move to FBS as a conference. It it were going to happen it would need to happen now.
Jax St head coach Jack Crowe was announcing and talking to recruits about moving to FBS back about 10 years ago. He was only trying to better recruiting.
Coaches/schools make statements for a myriad of self help reasons.
It seems likely SFA is trying to apply a little pressure to CUSA or reassure a fan base they aren't getting left behind or even trying to boost recruiting.

These schools are well aware there will be more openings this is likely a mild attempt to appear as though they have more options and are not simply wall flowers. Just like KSU was added Cusa will add two more without further realignment and if or when the pac adds more it's very likely therel be one or two more.
So I'd guess EKU SFA maybe Tarleton and or UCA.

(11-25-2022 10:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 10:20 PM)unalions Wrote:  WAC Commissioner Brian Thornton has worked at the NCAA National Office within the past few years before he took this job last November. I’m sure he’s in-the-know about what’s possible and what’s not.

The NCAA has ZERO control over the CFP Administration.

CFP is a private LLC company and has very little obligation to the NCAA.

[Google: CFP Governance- College Football Playoff--- to see all the information.]**

Without CFP access or MONEY-- No school would move to FBS-- they simply would not have the necessary yearly income stream to survive in FBS.

**I'm NOT asking you to take my word for these facts-- do the research.

To add to that, half of the football schools in the WAC-ASUN budgets are currently below 12M. They would have to increase their budget by 10M to even start thinking about the move to FBS. The ASUN non football playing schools have more money than some of its football playing schools. Jacksonville budget is 22M which is higher then all of the WAC-ASUN and Jacksonville does not have scholarship football.

(11-25-2022 11:03 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 10:41 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 07:33 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 06:45 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 06:21 PM)jones682 Wrote:  I can see C-USA taking UCA, SFA, EKU before the WAC moving up to C-USA as a hole. That is the main reason why NMSU, SHSU, JSU, and KSU accepted the invite. I know that C-USA was in talks with KSU since Dec of 2021.

Yes-- this is an additional point why this WACSUN to FBS won't happen.

C-USA will eventually (2-4 yrs.) TAKE TWO or more of those schools who are most qualified to go FBS.

AND. Who knows? Another G5 (MW, MAC, SBC) might take one or two also.

Then-- where will you find eight or nine universities in the WACSUN combo who can even afford the move?



You will not. Can UTRGV, SUU, or some others afford it? NO.

IMHO UCA and UNA are SEVERAL years (or more) away from being able to fund FBS.

There is no guarantee CUSA will take any more teams. EKU, Tarleton and UCA have all spoken to CUSA. But at this point it seems settled, at least to me, that CUSA won't look at adding anyone unless they get raided or until the new TV contract expires. So we should wait and see and not do anything?
For now, create the FCS conference and move forward, slowly, for potential FBS as a member of the WAC. No one has insight on what UCA, UNA, APSU, etc have planned to work towards this goal. Both UCA and UNA have been vocal about going FBS. So we'll see how each step plays out.

I would say to the FCS schools who want to become FBS, continue to win playoff games and increase you budget and make you self attractive for C-USA. Having a whole conference moving to FBS at one time is almost imposable. If a FCS conference does move to FBS, it would be the MV or Big Sky. Those schools have the money and the marketability to make a move like that. Their also less mid major G5 conferences out west which would make since to add more.

CUSA is just fine at 10. Y’all have wrapped yourself into knots for weeks over on the CUSA Realignment boards about why each and every one of these 10 schools aren’t worthy of being in CUSA.

Now, these 10 ASUN and WAC schools are forming a conference to do their own thing and y’all are triggered saying several are surely to be invited! Lol. It’s comical.

Y’all can say it’s impossible or even improbable but that’s your opinion. However, HC Colby Carthel seemed to know more about the situation than any of us.

UNA is not ready for FBS right now. That’s a fact. That doesn’t mean that plans are in place to work toward that if they truly feel that it is the eventual goal.

For now, the ASUN 4 will merge with the Texas 4 and the Utah 2 to form what I hope is a very competitive FCS conference in 2023.

Bring on the WAC Football Conference announcement!!

LOL nobody is "triggered". KSU is still in the ASUN and has been in the ASUN for almost 20 years. You do know that once the media deal is up in 5 years C-USA will expand.

What I am saying is I cannot see the WAC-ASUN moving up as one to the FBS. Those schools will not have access to the CFP revenue if they do move up. I can see once C-USA new media deal is up that they will expand and take more FCS schools that are ready to make that jump. That is more likely.

(11-24-2022 12:37 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If a WAC-ASUN FB only league is created. "IF". Here are some opinions:

--ASUN must have abandoned the idea of finding enough members to keep FB as a league sport.

-- The WAC is having "number" troubles also--- (nine is ideal for eight conf. games round robin) and has run out of new prospects.

-- ZERO ASUN members are likely to go to the OVC (Not even UCA)

-- OVC has convinced TTU and Tenn. St. to stay (for now)

-- If it happens-- a more stable future and eight conference games to help scheduling struggles.

What makes you think that Austin Peay wouldn't go back to the OVC? They've isolated themselves from the other Tennessee schools and their closest opponent is Lipscomb in Nashville. EKU is FBS or bust, same with North Alabama and Central Arkansas, although I would argue that UCA could help UALR establish an in-state rivalry with them if they joined the OVC.

Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Quote:To add to that, half of the football schools in the WAC-ASUN budgets are currently below 12M. They would have to increase their budget by 10M to even start thinking about the move to FBS. The ASUN non football playing schools have more money than some of its football playing schools. Jacksonville budget is 22M which is higher then all of the WAC-ASUN and Jacksonville does not have scholarship football.

First of all, Jacksonville doesn't have football at all. They dropped their non-scholarship program a few years back.

But maybe what that tells you is that raw budget numbers don't tell the whole story. Operating costs are not the same everywhere in the country, and if you're a state school there may be some subsidies that come from outside of your annual athletics budget (like the $31 million about to go into EKU's basketball arena).

I mean, Jacksonville can spend all they want, but their basketball arena is still not even close to as good as the one at my Catholic high school in Louisville.

Look, do I think this plan is likely to go through all the way? No, because we tried it once, and schools jump ship at the first opportunity. We certainly would. But it's also not nearly as crazy as you make it sound.

Quote:So I'd guess EKU SFA maybe Tarleton and or UCA.

I'd like to think so, but there's a big red obstacle in our way that will probably prevent it from being us. They'd take us if we were the only viable option, but as you just pointed out...there are others.

(11-26-2022 12:12 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:So I'd guess EKU SFA maybe Tarleton and or UCA.

I'd like to think so, but there's a big red obstacle in our way that will probably prevent it from being us. They'd take us if we were the only viable option, but as you just pointed out...there are others.

Who is the other options in the east?
There are options but regional ones appear to be running thin. So SFA To the west, EKU to the east. Chatty doesn't appear to be interested. Tuna Is definitely behind EKU. And UCA is a bit western also.
It's also possible someone depart the sbc leaving a spot for EKU.

Either way or no matter who if two to four teams leave the ASUN/WAC any joint movement to FBS is dead in the water.

It will be interesting to see what the exit fee of this new league will be.

(11-26-2022 12:00 PM)unalions Wrote:  Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Not triggered-- Just pointing out major obstacles that stand in the way.

-- lack of schools with adequate budget and if you have not noticed the ECONOMY stinks right now--this affects athletic departments and donations and GOV. spending

--as pointed out above some schools will be chosen for FBS before this even happens; you must have EIGHT who are willing and able to afford FBS

-- word is the D1 transformation committee will pass a few things that will increase costs significantly

--MORE could be listed

(11-26-2022 01:33 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:12 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:So I'd guess EKU SFA maybe Tarleton and or UCA.

I'd like to think so, but there's a big red obstacle in our way that will probably prevent it from being us. They'd take us if we were the only viable option, but as you just pointed out...there are others.

Who is the other options in the east?
There are options but regional ones appear to be running thin. So SFA To the west, EKU to the east. Chatty doesn't appear to be interested. Tuna Is definitely behind EKU. And UCA is a bit western also.
It's also possible someone depart the sbc leaving a spot for EKU.

Either way or no matter who if two to four teams leave the ASUN/WAC any joint movement to FBS is dead in the water.

AGREED. But the new merged fcs league is still a great idea. ASUN needs to get out of the FB business IMO.

(11-26-2022 01:37 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:00 PM)unalions Wrote:  Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Not triggered-- Just pointing out major obstacles that stand in the way.

-- lack of schools with adequate budget and if you have not noticed the ECONOMY stinks right now--this affects athletic departments and donations and GOV. spending

--as pointed out above some schools will be chosen for FBS before this even happens; you must have EIGHT who are willing and able to afford FBS

-- word is the D1 transformation committee will pass a few things that will increase costs significantly

--MORE could be listed

Did you sit up all night making these lists? Lol.

(11-26-2022 12:00 PM)unalions Wrote:  Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Jax State fans were exactly where you are for over 10 years. Wanting to chase every hint or suggestion of realignment. EKU was there also with the whole WAC east thing that didn't pan out for the same reason this won't "a lack of school to make the move".

Like I kept telling KSU
EKU and either SFA or Tarleton will be in CUSA real soon. And I doubt seriously it'll be 5 years from now. Probably invited next year.

Tuna however may be stuck unless a miracle/catastrophe occurs.

(11-26-2022 01:43 PM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:00 PM)unalions Wrote:  Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Jax State fans were exactly where you are for over 10 years. Wanting to chase every hint or suggestion of realignment. EKU was there also with the whole WAC east thing that didn't pan out for the same reason this won't "a lack of school to make the move".

Like I kept telling KSU
EKU and either SFA or Tarleton will be in CUSA real soon. And I doubt seriously it'll be 5 years from now. Probably invited next year.

Tuna however may be stuck unless a miracle/catastrophe occurs.

You have me confused. Lol. I don’t want UNA to go to FBS. But, I don’t make the decisions.

(11-26-2022 12:10 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:To add to that, half of the football schools in the WAC-ASUN budgets are currently below 12M. They would have to increase their budget by 10M to even start thinking about the move to FBS. The ASUN non football playing schools have more money than some of its football playing schools. Jacksonville budget is 22M which is higher then all of the WAC-ASUN and Jacksonville does not have scholarship football.

First of all, Jacksonville doesn't have football at all. They dropped their non-scholarship program a few years back.

But maybe what that tells you is that raw budget numbers don't tell the whole story. Operating costs are not the same everywhere in the country, and if you're a state school there may be some subsidies that come from outside of your annual athletics budget (like the $31 million about to go into EKU's basketball arena).

I mean, Jacksonville can spend all they want, but their basketball arena is still not even close to as good as the one at my Catholic high school in Louisville.

Look, do I think this plan is likely to go through all the way? No, because we tried it once, and schools jump ship at the first opportunity. We certainly would. But it's also not nearly as crazy as you make it sound.

I don't think it is crazy, I just don't think it will happen. I think some of the ASUN schools within 5 years will get invited to other FBS conferences due to the fact that those conferences are all ready established in the FBS and they received CFP money.

How do I make this sound crazy?

(11-26-2022 12:00 PM)unalions Wrote:  Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Nobody's "Triggered". lol I said the same thing before KSU even got invited to C-USA that the ASUN move to the FBS was not going to happen due to the reasons I mentioned. I do not have a reason to be "Triggered" as mentioned, KSU is still in the ASUN until 2024.

(11-26-2022 12:12 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:So I'd guess EKU SFA maybe Tarleton and or UCA.

I'd like to think so, but there's a big red obstacle in our way that will probably prevent it from being us. They'd take us if we were the only viable option, but as you just pointed out...there are others.

There is no other options in the east bro other than UTC. Blocking EKU would have to take KSU, WKU, MTSU, FIU, JSU, NMSU, SHSU, LA Tech, LU, and UPEP to all say "No" and that will not happen. I know KSU, SHSU, JSU, and LU would say "Yes"

(11-26-2022 03:22 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 12:00 PM)unalions Wrote:  Do the rest of y’all notice the only people Triggered by Coach Carhel’s news are the folks in or headed to CUSA? Haha.

(Rolls Eyes)

Nobody's "Triggered". lol I said the same thing before KSU even got invited to C-USA that the ASUN move to the FBS was not going to happen due to the reasons I mentioned. I do not have a reason to be "Triggered" as mentioned, KSU is still in the ASUN until 2024.

The ASUN is not moving to FBS, the WAC is (eventually). Also, there will be no ASUN Football in 2023.