(11-16-2022 08:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:55 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Don't be an ass just because you're so good at it. I knew you weren't what you presented yourself as, namely a rational and reasonable democrat. How did I know? because there is no longer any such animal.

All of those are dead….

billy dazzle didn't last long ... this place can be hardcore ... that's a shame ... he was actually one of the last ol' blue dogs that I liked ... #irony

This place is more "Lord of the Flies" than anything else.....

(11-16-2022 08:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate under the Kenyan. Now, idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges.

I'm not sure what rock you've been under, but you don't seem to know much about politics in the last few years so you may want to study up before calling others names. Granted, I wish we'd gotten more done while we had 60 Senate votes under President Obama, but you may recall a little thing called the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare? You know, the one your party campaigned on repealing for years and then turned out to have no idea what they wanted to replace it with.

And we will continue confirming judges, as we have been for the past two years. President Biden has seen more judicial nominees confirmed in his first two years than even President Trump did, who significantly outpaced many past presidents. And the filibuster no longer applies to any nominees, so we don't need any more votes than the 50 we've had and already have won in the next Congress. If Senator Reverend Warnock wins we'll have 51 and it'll be even easier, then we can afford to lose a Manchin, Sinema, or someone else who takes issue with a particular nominee.

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-democratic...16163.html

I’m plenty aware of politics. I know that your side F’s up every single thing they touch and that can’t be disputed

(11-16-2022 08:54 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:26 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:11 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:04 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 06:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Since the last thread turned into a partisan pissing contest, as usual, let's start with this.

The Rs just formally won control of the House with 218 seats secured, with CA Repub Mike Garcia being declared a winner tonight.

Projections, if the remaining leads hold, are 221 R total, in the end, so a 7 seat majority, most likely.

If that's the case, Republicans will have gained 22 seats during the past two election cycles.

Congratulations, House control is hugely significant and you've won it! Have fun, we'll be in the other chamber making judges and giggling while the woefully inadequate for the task "my Kevin" McCarthy begs the horse-faced Georgian to let him be Speaker. And don't forget that an average modern midterm would have delivered 30 seats to the GOP last Tuesday alone, let alone a midterm with poor POTUS approval ratings and economic challenges like we face today.

Even if Walker wins and Manchin flips? He has a re-election in 2 years in a state that is 2 to 1 Republican.

and while mcconnel is a tool, he has said he is targeting manchin to either flip or face massive financial opposition in his next campaign.

Manchin either flips, or retires. He knows he cannot win WV as a democrat these days. He got played by the Democrats on the Anti Inflation deal and the resulting shafting of his state on carbon issues like no one in recent history. You have to go back to Arlen Specter to see someone get played that badly.

Manchin runs as a D in '24 he is a dead man in the election. He knows it. Its either swap parties to continue or retire.

There wont be any need to do a 'face massive financial opposition' to remove him in '24.

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life,

Being viable isnt life? That is a very false choice.

I assume you think persons on respirators are not alive?

Viability outside and environment, any environment, and 'life' are two separate issues. Its best if you keep them straight.

(11-16-2022 10:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life,

Being viable isnt life? That is a very false choice.

I assume you think persons on respirators are not alive?

Viability outside and environment, any environment, and 'life' are two separate issues. Its best if you keep them straight.

Hey now brah, it's 2022.... let them decide for themselves.

(11-16-2022 10:45 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate under the Kenyan. Now, idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges.

I'm not sure what rock you've been under, but you don't seem to know much about politics in the last few years so you may want to study up before calling others names. Granted, I wish we'd gotten more done while we had 60 Senate votes under President Obama, but you may recall a little thing called the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare? You know, the one your party campaigned on repealing for years and then turned out to have no idea what they wanted to replace it with.

And we will continue confirming judges, as we have been for the past two years. President Biden has seen more judicial nominees confirmed in his first two years than even President Trump did, who significantly outpaced many past presidents. And the filibuster no longer applies to any nominees, so we don't need any more votes than the 50 we've had and already have won in the next Congress. If Senator Reverend Warnock wins we'll have 51 and it'll be even easier, then we can afford to lose a Manchin, Sinema, or someone else who takes issue with a particular nominee.

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-democratic...16163.html

I’m plenty aware of politics. I know that your side F’s up every single thing they touch and that can’t be disputed

Being aware that politics exist, and having an opinion as to which side is competent and which side is not, is not at all the same as understanding how politics actually work. From your post earlier it appears that you may have been under a rock and missed the past twelve years or so of events -

"The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate" - the Affordable Care Act//Obamacare passed in 2010. This was apparently significant enough for the GOP to center every campaign around through 2016, despite having no actual plan to replace it

"under the Kenyan" - You are many lies behind, even the Great Pumpkin abandoned birtherism way back in 2016

"idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges" - Indeed they will, as they have been at a rate faster than under Trump, Obama or W. Senator Reid & Democrats abolished the filibuster for all nominees except the Supreme Court in 2013, while Senator McConnell & Republicans abolished the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees as well in 2017 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster...since_2005

When you feel like being a jerk, and sometimes we all do, I assure you that you'll enjoy it more if you have your facts straight and don't leave yourself open to being made to look ignorant so easily.

(11-16-2022 08:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate under the Kenyan. Now, idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges.

I'm not sure what rock you've been under, but you don't seem to know much about politics in the last few years so you may want to study up before calling others names. Granted, I wish we'd gotten more done while we had 60 Senate votes under President Obama, but you may recall a little thing called the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare? You know, the one your party campaigned on repealing for years and then turned out to have no idea what they wanted to replace it with.

And we will continue confirming judges, as we have been for the past two years. President Biden has seen more judicial nominees confirmed in his first two years than even President Trump did, who significantly outpaced many past presidents. And the filibuster no longer applies to any nominees, so we don't need any more votes than the 50 we've had and already have won in the next Congress. If Senator Reverend Warnock wins we'll have 51 and it'll be even easier, then we can afford to lose a Manchin, Sinema, or someone else who takes issue with a particular nominee.

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-democratic...16163.html

Party over country, imagine that.

(11-16-2022 10:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:54 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:26 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:11 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:04 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  If that's the case, Republicans will have gained 22 seats during the past two election cycles.

Congratulations, House control is hugely significant and you've won it! Have fun, we'll be in the other chamber making judges and giggling while the woefully inadequate for the task "my Kevin" McCarthy begs the horse-faced Georgian to let him be Speaker. And don't forget that an average modern midterm would have delivered 30 seats to the GOP last Tuesday alone, let alone a midterm with poor POTUS approval ratings and economic challenges like we face today.

Even if Walker wins and Manchin flips? He has a re-election in 2 years in a state that is 2 to 1 Republican.

and while mcconnel is a tool, he has said he is targeting manchin to either flip or face massive financial opposition in his next campaign.

Manchin either flips, or retires. He knows he cannot win WV as a democrat these days. He got played by the Democrats on the Anti Inflation deal and the resulting shafting of his state on carbon issues like no one in recent history. You have to go back to Arlen Specter to see someone get played that badly.

Manchin runs as a D in '24 he is a dead man in the election. He knows it. Its either swap parties to continue or retire.

There wont be any need to do a 'face massive financial opposition' to remove him in '24.

Senator Collins on Line 1 for you Tanq-

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...e-1373932/

(11-16-2022 08:55 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate under the Kenyan. Now, idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges.

I'm not sure what rock you've been under, but you don't seem to know much about politics in the last few years so you may want to study up before calling others names. Granted, I wish we'd gotten more done while we had 60 Senate votes under President Obama, but you may recall a little thing called the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare? You know, the one your party campaigned on repealing for years and then turned out to have no idea what they wanted to replace it with.

And we will continue confirming judges, as we have been for the past two years. President Biden has seen more judicial nominees confirmed in his first two years than even President Trump did, who significantly outpaced many past presidents. And the filibuster no longer applies to any nominees, so we don't need any more votes than the 50 we've had and already have won in the next Congress. If Senator Reverend Warnock wins we'll have 51 and it'll be even easier, then we can afford to lose a Manchin, Sinema, or someone else who takes issue with a particular nominee .

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-democratic...16163.html

There is nothing Reverend about a man pretending to be a Christian yet his actions prove otherwise. On that day he will plead Lord, Lord and our Savior will look at him and say to God I never knew him. He still has a chance to turn away from his iniquities and redeem himself. I hope he finds the way out of darkness and into the light. It’s entirely on him. For he loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Hence my party over country remark. We all know the man is a sleazebag, even the dems know it but they don't care as long as he has a D by his name and his winning helps them retain power. They are the party of no principle, none, they have no moral standing.

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:57 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:46 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:27 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:11 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Congratulations, House control is hugely significant and you've won it! Have fun, we'll be in the other chamber making judges and giggling while the woefully inadequate for the task "my Kevin" McCarthy begs the horse-faced Georgian to let him be Speaker. And don't forget that an average modern midterm would have delivered 30 seats to the GOP last Tuesday alone, let alone a midterm with poor POTUS approval ratings and economic challenges like we face today.

Congrats on keeping the Senate under rat-faced Shumer. Be sure to keep the highly frustrated Manchin and rational Sinema in line.....LOL.

The Republicans will do better in 2024 with 21 Dem and 2 Ind. Senators running and only 10 Repubs.

Indeed, the Senate map in 2024 is far less favorable for us than the one last week. Lots of variables may help us like POTUS level turnout, Trump as the potential GOP nominee and putting reproductive rights on the ballot in every state that allows for ballot initiatives. But 2024 is absolutely a map with great potential for the GOP, if you can avoid some of your traditional candidate quality problems.

Manchin is fine, most Democrats understand that he is and has to be a WV Democrat to have any chance at winning in 2024. He is the last member of an otherwise extinct species, and when for whatever reason he is done that seat will be red foreseeably forever. And secretly I think a lot more Democrat Senators than we know often agree with his concerns, and appreciate when he puts the brakes on things. It doesn't hurt either that he is a friendly and likeable man who has good relationships with his colleagues on both sides of the aisle.

Sinema on the other hand, is just weird IMO. If you really want to flip a Senator, she's the one to target. I think she is and should be toast in the 2024 Democratic primary, other Democrats can potentially win in the Grand Canyon state unlike Manchin in WV. Her idiosyncrasies don't make sense like Manchin's concerns do - if not for her we'd have raised taxes higher on corporations and the wealthy as Manchin and every other Democrat wanted to. I'm not a fan of litmus tests, but when you aren't for raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy you're a very unique Democrat and I'm not sure who your base is.

Speaking of "reproductive rights" aren't you concerned with the rights of the unborn?

The fetus has a parasitic relationship to the mother. At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life, why does the GOP turn its back after birth? It is not pro-life. It is pro birth & anti choice.

You have the talking points down I see.

(11-16-2022 10:15 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  [
The fetus has a parasitic relationship to the mother. At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life, why does the GOP turn its back after birth? It is not pro-life. It is pro birth & anti choice.

Ah..the old tried and true bait and switch argument. Obviously that's a false narrative but you guys bring it out with regularity.

Conservatives care deeply about children after birth, about adolescents, teenagers, and adults. The difference is conservative don't choose the same solutions you do solve problems.

Liberals think that if someone doesn't approve of the government solving all problems well, they must not care. Nothing is further from the truth. I'd wager the personal sacrifice, time , effort among conservatives to help those in need far exceeds the personal investment of liberals. Thousands of churches, private entities, etc supported and manned by conservatives do far more than most know. There are literally millions of conservatives taking care of needy children, feeding and clothing those in need, taking care of the elderly every day. Most Liberals say the government should do these things. Conservatives do it from their heart and own sweat...but, most conservatives don't toot their horn when they do good deeds. It's not in their nature to virtue signal and get attention for their actions like a smarmy Hollywood celebrity.

Although not all Christians are conservatives, it's taught that helping others should be from the heart and not for vanity's sake.

+3

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:57 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:46 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:27 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:11 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Congratulations, House control is hugely significant and you've won it! Have fun, we'll be in the other chamber making judges and giggling while the woefully inadequate for the task "my Kevin" McCarthy begs the horse-faced Georgian to let him be Speaker. And don't forget that an average modern midterm would have delivered 30 seats to the GOP last Tuesday alone, let alone a midterm with poor POTUS approval ratings and economic challenges like we face today.

Congrats on keeping the Senate under rat-faced Shumer. Be sure to keep the highly frustrated Manchin and rational Sinema in line.....LOL.

The Republicans will do better in 2024 with 21 Dem and 2 Ind. Senators running and only 10 Repubs.

Indeed, the Senate map in 2024 is far less favorable for us than the one last week. Lots of variables may help us like POTUS level turnout, Trump as the potential GOP nominee and putting reproductive rights on the ballot in every state that allows for ballot initiatives. But 2024 is absolutely a map with great potential for the GOP, if you can avoid some of your traditional candidate quality problems.

Manchin is fine, most Democrats understand that he is and has to be a WV Democrat to have any chance at winning in 2024. He is the last member of an otherwise extinct species, and when for whatever reason he is done that seat will be red foreseeably forever. And secretly I think a lot more Democrat Senators than we know often agree with his concerns, and appreciate when he puts the brakes on things. It doesn't hurt either that he is a friendly and likeable man who has good relationships with his colleagues on both sides of the aisle.

Sinema on the other hand, is just weird IMO. If you really want to flip a Senator, she's the one to target. I think she is and should be toast in the 2024 Democratic primary, other Democrats can potentially win in the Grand Canyon state unlike Manchin in WV. Her idiosyncrasies don't make sense like Manchin's concerns do - if not for her we'd have raised taxes higher on corporations and the wealthy as Manchin and every other Democrat wanted to. I'm not a fan of litmus tests, but when you aren't for raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy you're a very unique Democrat and I'm not sure who your base is.

Speaking of "reproductive rights" aren't you concerned with the rights of the unborn?

The fetus has a parasitic relationship to the mother. At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life, why does the GOP turn its back after birth? It is not pro-life. It is pro birth & anti choice.

What are you talking about, you fetus?

(11-16-2022 10:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:55 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Don't be an ass just because you're so good at it. I knew you weren't what you presented yourself as, namely a rational and reasonable democrat. How did I know? because there is no longer any such animal.

All of those are dead….

billy dazzle didn't last long ... this place can be hardcore ... that's a shame ... he was actually one of the last ol' blue dogs that I liked ... #irony

This place is more "Lord of the Flies" than anything else.....

And yet here you are, Piggy.

(11-16-2022 10:45 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate under the Kenyan. Now, idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges.

I'm not sure what rock you've been under, but you don't seem to know much about politics in the last few years so you may want to study up before calling others names. Granted, I wish we'd gotten more done while we had 60 Senate votes under President Obama, but you may recall a little thing called the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare? You know, the one your party campaigned on repealing for years and then turned out to have no idea what they wanted to replace it with.

And we will continue confirming judges, as we have been for the past two years. President Biden has seen more judicial nominees confirmed in his first two years than even President Trump did, who significantly outpaced many past presidents. And the filibuster no longer applies to any nominees, so we don't need any more votes than the 50 we've had and already have won in the next Congress. If Senator Reverend Warnock wins we'll have 51 and it'll be even easier, then we can afford to lose a Manchin, Sinema, or someone else who takes issue with a particular nominee.

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-democratic...16163.html

I’m plenty aware of politics. I know that your side F’s up every single thing they touch and that can’t be disputed

(11-16-2022 10:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life,

Being viable isnt life? That is a very false choice.

I assume you think persons on respirators are not alive?

Viability outside and environment, any environment, and 'life' are two separate issues. Its best if you keep them straight.

(11-16-2022 11:01 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  At what point is the fetus viable outside of the womb?

Or if you insists it is life,

Being viable isnt life? That is a very false choice.

I assume you think persons on respirators are not alive?

Viability outside and environment, any environment, and 'life' are two separate issues. Its best if you keep them straight.

Hey now brah, it's 2022.... let them decide for themselves.

Who, the unborn child? Now they have a say in whether they live or die?

We are seeing why you simply cannot trust progressive acolytes. I knew when this latest cadre showed up acting reasonable that they were posers.

(11-16-2022 11:16 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:55 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Don't be an ass just because you're so good at it. I knew you weren't what you presented yourself as, namely a rational and reasonable democrat. How did I know? because there is no longer any such animal.

All of those are dead….

billy dazzle didn't last long ... this place can be hardcore ... that's a shame ... he was actually one of the last ol' blue dogs that I liked ... #irony

This place is more "Lord of the Flies" than anything else.....

And yet here you are, Piggy.

Id say more Jack.

(11-16-2022 09:52 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:54 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:26 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:11 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 07:04 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  If that's the case, Republicans will have gained 22 seats during the past two election cycles.

Congratulations, House control is hugely significant and you've won it! Have fun, we'll be in the other chamber making judges and giggling while the woefully inadequate for the task "my Kevin" McCarthy begs the horse-faced Georgian to let him be Speaker. And don't forget that an average modern midterm would have delivered 30 seats to the GOP last Tuesday alone, let alone a midterm with poor POTUS approval ratings and economic challenges like we face today.

Even if Walker wins and Manchin flips? He has a re-election in 2 years in a state that is 2 to 1 Republican.

and while mcconnel is a tool, he has said he is targeting manchin to either flip or face massive financial opposition in his next campaign.

I agree that if Walker wins, there's a very good chance Manchin flips and give Republicans control of the Senate. Manchin would likely be offered some juicy committee leadership positions which would be hard to pass up. The Dems aren't going to do that for him. Since he has a re-election coming up, having that stature and power would ensure WV re-elects him. If Walker loses, Manchin flipping does little and I'm not sure he gets re-elected.

He could have done that the last two years, but didn't.

(11-16-2022 11:06 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:45 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 08:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate under the Kenyan. Now, idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges.

I'm not sure what rock you've been under, but you don't seem to know much about politics in the last few years so you may want to study up before calling others names. Granted, I wish we'd gotten more done while we had 60 Senate votes under President Obama, but you may recall a little thing called the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare? You know, the one your party campaigned on repealing for years and then turned out to have no idea what they wanted to replace it with.

And we will continue confirming judges, as we have been for the past two years. President Biden has seen more judicial nominees confirmed in his first two years than even President Trump did, who significantly outpaced many past presidents. And the filibuster no longer applies to any nominees, so we don't need any more votes than the 50 we've had and already have won in the next Congress. If Senator Reverend Warnock wins we'll have 51 and it'll be even easier, then we can afford to lose a Manchin, Sinema, or someone else who takes issue with a particular nominee.

https://news.yahoo.com/senate-democratic...16163.html

I’m plenty aware of politics. I know that your side F’s up every single thing they touch and that can’t be disputed

Being aware that politics exist, and having an opinion as to which side is competent and which side is not, is not at all the same as understanding how politics actually work. From your post earlier it appears that you may have been under a rock and missed the past twelve years or so of events -

"The Dems couldn’t get anything done with 60 in the senate" - the Affordable Care Act//Obamacare passed in 2010. This was apparently significant enough for the GOP to center every campaign around through 2016, despite having no actual plan to replace it

"under the Kenyan" - You are many lies behind, even the Great Pumpkin abandoned birtherism way back in 2016

"idiot Lamenole thinks they’ll be confirming judges" - Indeed they will, as they have been at a rate faster than under Trump, Obama or W. Senator Reid & Democrats abolished the filibuster for all nominees except the Supreme Court in 2013, while Senator McConnell & Republicans abolished the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees as well in 2017 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster...since_2005

When you feel like being a jerk, and sometimes we all do, I assure you that you'll enjoy it more if you have your facts straight and don't leave yourself open to being made to look ignorant so easily.

So how does 84 in 2 years beat 234 in 4? I just skimmed the article, but it looks like it was another liberal arts Dem major who can't do math.