Quote:The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

Requests
On Wednesday, the Times Union’s managing editor, Brendan J. Lyons, wrote to Reinhart to ask for the warrant to be unsealed.

“Given that the search warrant(s) have been executed, and the target of that search has full knowledge of what occurred, there is no impediment to any ongoing investigation from the disclosure of the search warrant order or the returns. As such, these records should be unsealed,” the letter to the Florida judge reads.

Judicial Watch asked for the warrant as part of an investigation into “the potential politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice and whether the FBI and the Justice Department are abusing their law enforcement powers to harass a likely future political opponent of President [Joe] Biden.”

“If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public,” the letter said. “Unsealing the records therefore would further Judicial Watch’s mission of educating the public.”

It comes as Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

Top Republicans, meanwhile, demanded an investigation into the raid and argued that it was politically motivated to wound the GOP ahead of the 2022 midterms. Some have said the Justice Department immediately needs to release documents pertaining to the raid.

Link

Quote:Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

In such a litigious society as the United States, I wonder if any court has ever addressed the issue of whether a property owner or other occupant is entitled to have a copy of a search warrant. It’s kind of surprising to me — thinking about all the federal judges we’ve had (and still have) — that it isn’t considered a “right” under the Fourth Amendment.

I think its pretty clear you can refuse them entry if they don't show you the warrant.

The Secret Service was derelict.

(08-10-2022 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think its pretty clear you can refuse them entry if they don't show you the warrant.

The Secret Service was derelict.

They presented it. So---they kinda complied with the law. I would think you would have the right to actually read the warrant in order to know where the officers had the right to go inside the home and what items they had the right to seize. There is no way to know that without reading it. You also have the right to video record the process----so the Trump lawyers were right to keep the camera's rolling during the process.

(08-10-2022 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think its pretty clear you can refuse them entry if they don't show you the warrant.

The Secret Service was derelict.

They presented it. So---they kinda complied with the law. I would think you would have the right to actually read the warrant in order to know where the officers had the right to go inside the home and what items they had the right to seize. There is no way to know that without reading it. You also have the right to video record the process----so the Trump lawyers were right to keep the camera's rolling during the process.

ahhhhhhhh ... so that's what's going to be released ... that makes quite a bit more sense...

(08-10-2022 05:43 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

Requests
On Wednesday, the Times Union’s managing editor, Brendan J. Lyons, wrote to Reinhart to ask for the warrant to be unsealed.

“Given that the search warrant(s) have been executed, and the target of that search has full knowledge of what occurred, there is no impediment to any ongoing investigation from the disclosure of the search warrant order or the returns. As such, these records should be unsealed,” the letter to the Florida judge reads.

Judicial Watch asked for the warrant as part of an investigation into “the potential politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice and whether the FBI and the Justice Department are abusing their law enforcement powers to harass a likely future political opponent of President [Joe] Biden.”

“If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public,” the letter said. “Unsealing the records therefore would further Judicial Watch’s mission of educating the public.”

It comes as Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

Top Republicans, meanwhile, demanded an investigation into the raid and argued that it was politically motivated to wound the GOP ahead of the 2022 midterms. Some have said the Justice Department immediately needs to release documents pertaining to the raid.

Link

Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

(08-11-2022 06:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 05:43 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

Requests
On Wednesday, the Times Union’s managing editor, Brendan J. Lyons, wrote to Reinhart to ask for the warrant to be unsealed.

“Given that the search warrant(s) have been executed, and the target of that search has full knowledge of what occurred, there is no impediment to any ongoing investigation from the disclosure of the search warrant order or the returns. As such, these records should be unsealed,” the letter to the Florida judge reads.

Judicial Watch asked for the warrant as part of an investigation into “the potential politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice and whether the FBI and the Justice Department are abusing their law enforcement powers to harass a likely future political opponent of President [Joe] Biden.”

“If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public,” the letter said. “Unsealing the records therefore would further Judicial Watch’s mission of educating the public.”

It comes as Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

Top Republicans, meanwhile, demanded an investigation into the raid and argued that it was politically motivated to wound the GOP ahead of the 2022 midterms. Some have said the Justice Department immediately needs to release documents pertaining to the raid.

Link

Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

(08-11-2022 07:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 05:43 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

Requests
On Wednesday, the Times Union’s managing editor, Brendan J. Lyons, wrote to Reinhart to ask for the warrant to be unsealed.

“Given that the search warrant(s) have been executed, and the target of that search has full knowledge of what occurred, there is no impediment to any ongoing investigation from the disclosure of the search warrant order or the returns. As such, these records should be unsealed,” the letter to the Florida judge reads.

Judicial Watch asked for the warrant as part of an investigation into “the potential politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice and whether the FBI and the Justice Department are abusing their law enforcement powers to harass a likely future political opponent of President [Joe] Biden.”

“If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public,” the letter said. “Unsealing the records therefore would further Judicial Watch’s mission of educating the public.”

It comes as Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

Top Republicans, meanwhile, demanded an investigation into the raid and argued that it was politically motivated to wound the GOP ahead of the 2022 midterms. Some have said the Justice Department immediately needs to release documents pertaining to the raid.

Link

Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

That would be normal if the information was classified.

(08-11-2022 08:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 07:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 05:43 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

Requests
On Wednesday, the Times Union’s managing editor, Brendan J. Lyons, wrote to Reinhart to ask for the warrant to be unsealed.

“Given that the search warrant(s) have been executed, and the target of that search has full knowledge of what occurred, there is no impediment to any ongoing investigation from the disclosure of the search warrant order or the returns. As such, these records should be unsealed,” the letter to the Florida judge reads.

Judicial Watch asked for the warrant as part of an investigation into “the potential politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice and whether the FBI and the Justice Department are abusing their law enforcement powers to harass a likely future political opponent of President [Joe] Biden.”

“If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public,” the letter said. “Unsealing the records therefore would further Judicial Watch’s mission of educating the public.”

It comes as Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

Top Republicans, meanwhile, demanded an investigation into the raid and argued that it was politically motivated to wound the GOP ahead of the 2022 midterms. Some have said the Justice Department immediately needs to release documents pertaining to the raid.

Link

Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

That would be normal if the information was classified.

POTUS decides what is "Classified". An archivist is a librarian for Pete's sake. The archivist still hasn't received 10s of thousands of documents from Obama. No problem there.

(08-11-2022 08:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 07:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 05:43 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:The Justice Department has to respond to motions to unseal a warrant that triggered the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, according to a magistrate judge who reportedly approved the search.

Judicial Watch and the Albany Times Union newspaper filed a motion to unseal the document earlier this week, which was granted by a judge in the case.

“On or before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 15, 2022, the Government shall file a Response to the Motion to Unseal,” wrote Judge Bruce Reinhart on Wednesday afternoon, referring to the Department of Justice.

“The response may be filed ex parte and under seal as necessary to avoid disclosing matters already under seal. In that event, the Government shall file a redacted Response in the public record. If it chooses, the Government may file a consolidated Response to all Motions to Seal,” he wrote.

Neither the FBI nor Justice Department has issued public comments about the raid, which was first confirmed by Trump on Monday evening.

Requests
On Wednesday, the Times Union’s managing editor, Brendan J. Lyons, wrote to Reinhart to ask for the warrant to be unsealed.

“Given that the search warrant(s) have been executed, and the target of that search has full knowledge of what occurred, there is no impediment to any ongoing investigation from the disclosure of the search warrant order or the returns. As such, these records should be unsealed,” the letter to the Florida judge reads.

Judicial Watch asked for the warrant as part of an investigation into “the potential politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice and whether the FBI and the Justice Department are abusing their law enforcement powers to harass a likely future political opponent of President [Joe] Biden.”

“If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public,” the letter said. “Unsealing the records therefore would further Judicial Watch’s mission of educating the public.”

It comes as Eric Trump, a son of the former president, told the Daily Mail that a Trump attorney at Mar-a-Lago, Christina Bobb, asked FBI agents Monday about seeing a warrant.

“They would not give her the search warrant,” he told the outlet, referring to Bobb. “So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.”

Top Republicans, meanwhile, demanded an investigation into the raid and argued that it was politically motivated to wound the GOP ahead of the 2022 midterms. Some have said the Justice Department immediately needs to release documents pertaining to the raid.

Link

Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

That would be normal if the information was classified.

You can easily redact that part. It doesnt need to be sealed.

But as others have pointed out, if Trump said they were declassified, they arent classified.

(08-10-2022 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think its pretty clear you can refuse them entry if they don't show you the warrant.

The Secret Service was derelict.

They presented it. So---they kinda complied with the law. I would think you would have the right to actually read the warrant in order to know where the officers had the right to go inside the home and what items they had the right to seize. There is no way to know that without reading it. You also have the right to video record the process----so the Trump lawyers were right to keep the camera's rolling during the process.

Reports are the FBI held it up from 10 feet away. Nobody was allowed to examine it. It could have been a grocery shopping list for all the Mir A Lago staffers knew.

Most of the time warrants are public records. You can get a copy from the court with just a request. Avoids the forever wait of a FOIA.

Of course they issued this under seal. It's how they do.

(08-11-2022 08:21 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 07:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 05:43 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Link

Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

That would be normal if the information was classified.

You can easily redact that part. It doesnt need to be sealed.

But as others have pointed out, if Trump said they were declassified, they arent classified.

Yeah....but....

(08-11-2022 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think its pretty clear you can refuse them entry if they don't show you the warrant.

The Secret Service was derelict.

They presented it. So---they kinda complied with the law. I would think you would have the right to actually read the warrant in order to know where the officers had the right to go inside the home and what items they had the right to seize. There is no way to know that without reading it. You also have the right to video record the process----so the Trump lawyers were right to keep the camera's rolling during the process.

Reports are the FBI held it up from 10 feet away. Nobody was allowed to examine it. It could have been a grocery shopping list for all the Mir A Lago staffers knew.

Most of the time warrants are public records. You can get a copy from the court with just a request. Avoids the forever wait of a FOIA.

Of course they issued this under seal. It's how they do.

(08-11-2022 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:21 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 07:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Your thread title is quite lacking. The judge DID NOT order them to unseal it. He only ordered them to respond to the requests. It's right there in your quoted words.

Even the article you linked says this in the title.

Judge Orders Department of Justice to Respond to Requests to Unseal FBI’s Trump Warrant

Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

That would be normal if the information was classified.

You can easily redact that part. It doesnt need to be sealed.

But as others have pointed out, if Trump said they were declassified, they arent classified.

Yeah....but....

lulz

(08-11-2022 09:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think its pretty clear you can refuse them entry if they don't show you the warrant.

The Secret Service was derelict.

They presented it. So---they kinda complied with the law. I would think you would have the right to actually read the warrant in order to know where the officers had the right to go inside the home and what items they had the right to seize. There is no way to know that without reading it. You also have the right to video record the process----so the Trump lawyers were right to keep the camera's rolling during the process.

Reports are the FBI held it up from 10 feet away. Nobody was allowed to examine it. It could have been a grocery shopping list for all the Mir A Lago staffers knew.

Most of the time warrants are public records. You can get a copy from the court with just a request. Avoids the forever wait of a FOIA.

Of course they issued this under seal. It's how they do.

(08-11-2022 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:21 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:10 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 07:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Why are they sealing a request from the national archives in the first place?

That would be normal if the information was classified.

You can easily redact that part. It doesnt need to be sealed.

But as others have pointed out, if Trump said they were declassified, they arent classified.

Yeah....but....

lulz

Sorry it's not from the demoted piss tester.