(07-26-2022 10:23 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t think it’s as much about media markets as you all think. Look at Rutgers. They draw very little in their market. Streaming allows you to gain access to just about anything from anywhere. They’re going to look more at schools that align with them, strong academics and research (AAU schools)

The biggest mistake the ACC has made is not getting Penn State in the conference.

Yes. ACC leaders were caught napping there. You can view every move since as an effort to catch up on the possibilities they overlooked.

I liked Swofford's idea of a north-to-south all-season Eastern time zone league with appealing markets. And you can't say he didn't move aggressively to make it happen. Penn State is the kind of missing puzzle piece the ACC has been needing, though, to firm up that concept.

(07-26-2022 09:27 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 07:13 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 06:52 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 05:56 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Warren is a little green.

I will say that it's interesting how specific he is. This does confirm the aforementioned schools and B1G share mutual interest at the decision-maker level...and perhaps have gone further than that. I am curious as to whether he asked those schools "are you ok with me publicly mentioning that the B1G does have some interest in your membership (no guarantees of course)? And then it makes me further wonder if it's directed at schools like UNC who aren't mentioned.

FSU certainly does have a strong advocate in current PSU President Eric Barron (FSU graduate and former Prez).

It would be nice to get something positive for FSU from Barron, he owes us. He's the fool that signed the first GoR and then left for State College.

There's one big problem with this ...

He ain't the president at Penn State.

Neeli Bendapudi is.

Former president at U of L.

Well, he was the president up until 2 months ago! I see now that he retired in May...thanks for the update. You needed her to take the top job at an SEC school though!

More quotes Big Ten Media Days..... (EDITED), thought it was quotes from Warren, trying to figure out who BTM is that Greg is getting quotes from....

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...SYDSFhzJNQ
“I don’t think you can discount Big 12’s potential role in this turbulence Warren speaks of coming in next 5 years. Big 12 growing to 18-20 with additions of 4 PAC schools and 2-4 ACC schools covers everyone’s interest.”

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...SYDSFhzJNQ
“As long as ESPN & FOX continues to share content and interests with Big 12, which looks to be the case, Big 12 and Yormark might become key that’s fits in ACC’s keyhole”

(07-26-2022 05:56 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Warren is a little green.

https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1552090748467568640

PLAYING PIANO WITH BOTH HANDS

(07-27-2022 05:55 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-26-2022 10:23 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  I don’t think it’s as much about media markets as you all think. Look at Rutgers. They draw very little in their market. Streaming allows you to gain access to just about anything from anywhere. They’re going to look more at schools that align with them, strong academics and research (AAU schools)

The biggest mistake the ACC has made is not getting Penn State in the conference.

Yes. ACC leaders were caught napping there. You can view every move since as an effort to catch up on the possibilities they overlooked.

I liked Swofford's idea of a north-to-south all-season Eastern time zone league with appealing markets. And you can't say he didn't move aggressively to make it happen. Penn State is the kind of missing puzzle piece the ACC has been needing, though, to firm up that concept.

ACC is a really good conference. College football is a mess. You have all these different entities or conferences at the top with different agendas colliding and competing with each other over everything. There’s no guiding hand in all of this. There’s no central leadership. Couple that with all of this NIL stuff and the transfer portal. It’s a giant mess. Hopefully it doesn’t get all destroyed.

If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

CURL UP IN A BALL AND CRY

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

Quote:“If we’re contacted, we would be foolish not to listen,” said one prominent Board of Trustee member.

The sources said it was unclear which conference (the SEC or Big 10) would be of more interest to president Julio Frenk and the highest levels of the UM administration if the Canes ultimately have a choice of either. (Right now, they don’t have a choice of either, let alone both.)

The SEC has the obvious geographical advantage, but one UM administrator close to the president noted that if the Big 10 lured Notre Dame, that would be something significant.

https://miamiherald.com/sports/spt-colum...83753.html

WHEN IRISH EYES ARE SMILING

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

There is benefit in both. But, to accomplish our primary objective of a majority of Florida viewers, instead of having the plurality, the SEC only needs one.

(07-27-2022 08:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

There is benefit in both. But, to accomplish our primary objective of a majority of Florida viewers, instead of having the plurality, the SEC only needs one.

I personally do not think either Florida schools go to the B1G.

What make the most sense to me for the B1G is:
If they go to 24,

1. 4 PAC12 schools (Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal) that's 20
2. ND for 21
3. Kansas, Pitt, Syracuse (if AAU is a must then Virginia), makes regional sense and creates good conference matchups for 24
4. If ND stays independent, then BC or Virginia.

(07-27-2022 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

There is benefit in both. But, to accomplish our primary objective of a majority of Florida viewers, instead of having the plurality, the SEC only needs one.

I personally do not think either Florida schools go to the B1G.

What make the most sense to me for the B1G is:
If they go to 24,

1. 4 PAC12 schools (Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal) that's 20
2. ND for 21
3. Kansas, Pitt, Syracuse (if AAU is a must then Virginia), makes regional sense and creates good conference matchups for 24
4. If ND stays independent, then BC or Virginia.

There is absolutely zero reason to go after Syracuse. Pitt either unless for some reason PSU makes it a deal-breaker. These moves make zero strategic long-term sense and it would basically concede that the SEC is the eternal Big Dog. There isn't even a hint that some of the schools you mention are even backup plans for the B1G at this point.

(07-27-2022 08:29 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

There is benefit in both. But, to accomplish our primary objective of a majority of Florida viewers, instead of having the plurality, the SEC only needs one.

I personally do not think either Florida schools go to the B1G.

What make the most sense to me for the B1G is:
If they go to 24,

1. 4 PAC12 schools (Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal) that's 20
2. ND for 21
3. Kansas, Pitt, Syracuse (if AAU is a must then Virginia), makes regional sense and creates good conference matchups for 24
4. If ND stays independent, then BC or Virginia.

There is absolutely zero reason to go after Syracuse. Pitt either unless for some reason PSU makes it a deal-breaker. These moves make zero strategic long-term sense and it would basically concede that the SEC is the eternal Big Dog. There isn't even a hint that some of the schools you mention are even backup plans for the B1G at this point.

I would argue Pitt makes huge long term sense. Pitt fits academically and creates attractive conference matchups (PSU, OSU, Iowa, Syracuse, Rutgers, Mich St, ND, etc.).

Why add teams that nobody wants to watch.

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

I'd say the SEC just got a signal from the Big Ten: 'If you want any current ACC schools, extend bids soon. We're interested in expanding down the Atlantic coast to any latitude we please--and five years is our time frame.'

An option being pushed off the table, apparently: Doing nothing until a certain GoR expires. The B1G wants its mega-conference taking shape by the time the new playoff structure is enacted.

(07-27-2022 08:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

I'd say the SEC just got a signal from the Big Ten: 'If you want any current ACC schools, extend bids soon. We're interested in expanding down the Atlantic coast to any latitude we please--and five years is our time frame.'

An option being pushed off the table, apparently: Doing nothing until a certain GoR expires. The B1G wants its mega-conference taking shape by the time the new playoff structure is enacted.

This is why FOX and ESPN would need to be involved in this. Find a place for all ACC schools (B1G, SEC & Big12).

3 conferences of 24 teams.

(07-27-2022 08:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

I'd say the SEC just got a signal from the Big Ten: 'If you want any current ACC schools, extend bids soon. We're interested in expanding down the Atlantic coast to any latitude we please--and five years is our time frame.'

An option being pushed off the table, apparently: Doing nothing until a certain GoR expires. The B1G wants its mega-conference taking shape by the time the new playoff structure is enacted.

I'm trying to understand why the B1G would announce their intentions - if Brett's sources are actually correct regarding Warren's quote. If it was an actual statement made by Warren...I'd bet it's a mis-direct to some degree. No reason to show your hand at this point.

(07-27-2022 08:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

There is benefit in both. But, to accomplish our primary objective of a majority of Florida viewers, instead of having the plurality, the SEC only needs one.

https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status...3819914240

to reiterate ...
FSU would duplicate ...
think Mississippi - Mississippi State ...
breaking new ground ...

ONE & ONLY

(07-27-2022 08:41 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:29 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

There is benefit in both. But, to accomplish our primary objective of a majority of Florida viewers, instead of having the plurality, the SEC only needs one.

I personally do not think either Florida schools go to the B1G.

What make the most sense to me for the B1G is:
If they go to 24,

1. 4 PAC12 schools (Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal) that's 20
2. ND for 21
3. Kansas, Pitt, Syracuse (if AAU is a must then Virginia), makes regional sense and creates good conference matchups for 24
4. If ND stays independent, then BC or Virginia.

There is absolutely zero reason to go after Syracuse. Pitt either unless for some reason PSU makes it a deal-breaker. These moves make zero strategic long-term sense and it would basically concede that the SEC is the eternal Big Dog. There isn't even a hint that some of the schools you mention are even backup plans for the B1G at this point.

I would argue Pitt makes huge long term sense. Pitt fits academically and creates attractive conference matchups (PSU, OSU, Iowa, Syracuse, Rutgers, Mich St, ND, etc.).

Why add teams that nobody wants to watch.

Well, you are biased toward Pitt. I don't know where they rate against the big brands as far as eyes on TV's and butts in seats... Certainly better than 'Cuse who simply is not remotely needed by the B1G. At this point, the B1G clearly is focused on big names in the South and Pacific...if it can pull it off.

Quote:Warren would not comment on specific schools as potential members.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/big-...ayoff-more

READING TOO MUCH INTO THINGS

(07-27-2022 08:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 07:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  If Big Ten takes FSU and Miami, what does SEC do?

(07-27-2022 07:51 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  If the SEC wants either of them...they'll be able to get one or both.

I'd say the SEC just got a signal from the Big Ten: 'If you want any current ACC schools, extend bids soon. We're interested in expanding down the Atlantic coast to any latitude we please--and five years is our time frame.'

An option being pushed off the table, apparently: Doing nothing until a certain GoR expires. The B1G wants its mega-conference taking shape by the time the new playoff structure is enacted.

Yeah. Sankey couldn't make this threat as it would violate Disney's feigned happy families doctrine. However, now that an external threat has been made, Warren essentially paves the way for ESPN/SEC/ACC discussions above board in trying to "shelter vulnerable brands" within the Disney family of rights holdings.

Warren likely does want some ACC properties, Notre Dame in particular. The threat of taking ESPN's monopoly of Florida pieces, instead of N.D., Virginia, etc., makes ESPN's interest in protecting those viable and reasonable. The fact that they are 2 of 5 subjects of interest to the SEC signals Sankey's interest in keeping them out of the B1G.

Warren knows if the ACC is to be cracked it will be done from within ESPN. He's supplied motive now to Sankey and ESPN's interest to do so. Now placing 12 schools between the SEC & B1G becomes a matter which can be openly addressed. By freeing Clemson, FSU, Miami, and likely UNC to the SEC Warren frees at least Virginia, and Notre Dame to the Big 10 which allows him to finish up his West Coast additions. Duke might be there as well.

I believe the SEC would take N.C. State to land UNC and would gladly take Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech? Yes, as a defensive move. Then who? Louisville if 12 are needed.

I applaud Warren's statement. It has jump started the end game!