(07-28-2022 05:11 AM)XLance Wrote: (07-27-2022 06:43 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: (07-27-2022 06:00 PM)ndlutz Wrote: I said 0, but I could just have easily said a couple scraps from the Pac-12 or Big 12 if the ACC is raided.
I think we're toast.
That's probably how most of us are feeling inside even if we haven't fully accepted it or will admit it. But there still is a part of me that thinks the Super 2's new upcoming contracts will only be for 5 years at the most and they may stay pat at 16 until the end of that period to see how things develop.
In 5 years, perhaps the ACC's fortunes in football can change?
Cheers,
Neil
We've all lived through it. It's a difficult transition to absorb or be absorbed. The B1G and SEC are getting ready to go through transitions unlike any they have done before. Both conferences are going to need time to transition, which should give the ACC time. We'll see what Phillips is made of.
I think the ACC should expect Notre Dame to honor their contracts with the league until 2036. If they choose to do otherwise the Conference should demand generous compensation.
Assuming a consistent role from Notre Dame, I would invite only one to semi-pair with the existing Irish presence, and that would be Cincinnati.
In a landscape of no divisions, I suppose 15 for football makes sense. But not as sold on Cincy. Prefer WVU myself. But I suspect the PAC crew would prefer Cincy also.
IF the B1G and SEC stand pat at 16 until the next TV contracts come up, I'd still feel better if Phillips at least tries to add Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and two of Arizona State, Utah, and Cal.
The PAC teams would have 4 permanent rivals relatively close by so the other two road games from the current ACC members shouldn't put much of a travel strain at least for football.
ESPN's low-ball of $245M annually means around $200M of that is for football.
I've analyzed the stats and Oregon and Washington combined are $70M total while Stanford is $30M. Arizona State and Utah combined is $50M so that is
$150M of the $200M for those 5 programs. WSU's value is mostly dependent upon Washington, Cal's value has been mostly dependent on USC, UCLA, and Stanford (the latter the smallest amount of Cal's value). Arizona's value to the PAC is mostly in basketball while I was very surprised to see how small the value was for Colorado. But as bad as the Buffs are value wise they are still way better than the Beavers which has basically very little real value at all.
Is it any wonder the rumors of Arizona and Colorado applying to the B12 are out there? Not saying those rumors are true but if they aren't, they probably will be no matter if the B1G or the SEC or even the ACC come calling for any of the PAC schools with some value.
Anyway, if the value of those 5 PAC schools are indeed worth $150M in football monies imagine how significantly that can justify an increase in the ACC Tier1 and Tier 2 payouts - Oregon vs Miami, Washington vs Clemson, Stanford vs Florida State, Utah vs VT, Arizona State vs Louisville.
Also adding the states of Oregon, Washington, and Utah (not much I know but it is a state) as well as the Phoenix Arizona area and Northern California to the ACCN will also increase.
Obviously all of the above assumes B1G and SEC remain at 16 until the next TV contracts come into play and for the PAC to no longer be a viable conference on its own.
Unlikely, most definitely. BUT I assume even Phillips knows he has to try something.
Cheers,
Neil