(07-25-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: It's still funny to me that so many members of this echo chamber don't understand how a president with terrible approval ratings could have lost an election.
I fully admit that I have always thought of DJT as a vainglorious douche bag, going back well before his political adventures. And I didn't agree with much of what he did while in office: his policies borne of economic ignorance, disdain for the 1st amendment, spending, and his lack of attention to fixing Obamacare, among others. But I'm also grateful he was ready, willing, and able to prevent Hillary from becoming president. And his Supreme Court nominations were home runs. His Putin fixation perplexed me but his foreign policy was pretty much aligned with what I wanted. So I would have been fine with another 4 years.
But after losing to Biden (yes, I believe he really did lose), he listened to the crackpot ball washers on his team who advised him recklessly and he decided he should resist* the peaceful transition of power that is a hallmark of our democracy. That was it for me; I'm out. I won't vote for him. Maybe some posters here will think that broken or deranged. *shrug*
Edit: *For clarity, this is independent of the 1/6 riot. As soon as he started claiming Pence could/should de-certify he crossed over my red line.
Pretty much my thoughts also. Im done with this guy. I hope the GOP runs a solid candidate with some level of statesmanship. With Bidens horrible record and advanced age...he should be easy to defeat without going down the same tedious road again. I really do not want to vote 3rd party again in protest.
(07-25-2022 02:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote: As far as your voting, you voted indy in 2016, "for the pot head" so once again you are not being completely honest
Actually he was -- he has always said whom he voted for.
Voting against Trump in 2016 is not proof of 'hate the guy because'.
I voted for the 'NM pot head' as well --- I didnt think Trump was capable of handling the Presidency, and Hillary is.... well..... Hillary.
Trump proved in his first term that aside from his being an overall douchemonster, he actually delivered on a lot of fronts. In 2020 I ended up voting for the guy because of that.
His SCOTUS picks have been unbelievably good. His energy policies awesome, and dovetailed with keeping a boot on Russia. His approach to China was top notch.
His COVID response ---- meh. But I cant imagine giving any sitting president a good grade for that level of emergency. He absolutely hit a home run with rocket boosting the COVID immunization path -- greased it with pre-buying 10's of millions of doses
His temper tantrum snit for three hours in of Jan 6 had me back at the initial point that he is unfit for office. Probably not in an experience level, but at a deep seated psychological level.
Voting against him in 2016 isnt really proof of any deep seated visceral hatred.
(07-25-2022 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Maybe before running your mouth and locking yourself in for the dishonesty you are showing....
you should have read the whole thread before posting. I already showed your dishonesty. Your hate for the man began way before he ever become President.
No need for me to copy and paste your bullshite again look a few post above this one. YOU, not me said the red text is why you hate Trump. I gave you the chance to explain your reasons and you took it.....the red text. Your hate had nothing to do with President Trump....
You have shown no such thing. You have offered five snippets from posts made in 2016 explaining why I intended to vote for Gary Johnson and not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Something that I have never once claimed differently.
If that's the best you've got WKUYG-ette, then I will presume the transition surgery went well. Because it it not just honesty that you lack.
Come on man and I always gave you credit for being smart. This is the 3rd time you tried to use that and I'm the one person that doesnt give in to that mean girl problem you are showing. Do you think your opinion of me or what ever actually matters? I'm not that person that cares. I'm beginning to think I was completely wrong on the smart thingy.
Nope, I wasnt wrong and as I said before, you most likely spend you adult life working close to some government type. Some smart people doing some of those jobs....dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to common sense.
That seems to be the case with you. I gave you every chance to explain why you hate Trump and other than the red text you told me to F' off. Now you are once again trying to explain...well I had other reasons.
Should have took the time to explain them because everyone posting here (other than you) knew you were being 100% dishonest on the red text being your reasons. I just showed them to you. So unless you have something different I have no other use of you.
(07-25-2022 02:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote: As far as your voting, you voted indy in 2016, "for the pot head" so once again you are not being completely honest
Actually he was -- he has always said whom he voted for.
Voting against Trump in 2016 is not proof of 'hate the guy because'.
I voted for the 'NM pot head' as well --- I didnt think Trump was capable of handling the Presidency, and Hillary is.... well..... Hillary.
Trump proved in his first term that aside from his being an overall douchemonster, he actually delivered on a lot of fronts. In 2020 I ended up voting for the guy because of that.
His SCOTUS picks have been unbelievably good. His energy policies awesome, and dovetailed with keeping a boot on Russia. His approach to China was top notch.
His COVID response ---- meh. But I cant imagine giving any sitting president a good grade for that level of emergency. He absolutely hit a home run with rocket boosting the COVID immunization path -- greased it with pre-buying 10's of millions of doses
His temper tantrum snit for three hours in of Jan 6 had me back at the initial point that he is unfit for office. Probably not in an experience level, but at a deep seated psychological level.
Voting against him in 2016 isnt really proof of any deep seated visceral hatred.
Do you care to answer the question I asked in Post # 54 ???
(07-25-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: It's still funny to me that so many members of this echo chamber don't understand how a president with terrible approval ratings could have lost an election.
I fully admit that I have always thought of DJT as a vainglorious douche bag, going back well before his political adventures. And I didn't agree with much of what he did while in office: his policies borne of economic ignorance, disdain for the 1st amendment, spending, and his lack of attention to fixing Obamacare, among others. But I'm also grateful he was ready, willing, and able to prevent Hillary from becoming president. And his Supreme Court nominations were home runs. His Putin fixation perplexed me but his foreign policy was pretty much aligned with what I wanted. So I would have been fine with another 4 years.
But after losing to Biden (yes, I believe he really did lose), he listened to the crackpot ball washers on his team who advised him recklessly and he decided he should resist* the peaceful transition of power that is a hallmark of our democracy. That was it for me; I'm out. I won't vote for him. Maybe some posters here will think that broken or deranged. *shrug*
Edit: *For clarity, this is independent of the 1/6 riot. As soon as he started claiming Pence could/should de-certify he crossed over my red line.
Pretty much my thoughts also. Im done with this guy. I hope the GOP runs a solid candidate with some level of statesmanship. With Bidens horrible record and advanced age...he should be easy to defeat without going down the same tedious road again. I really do not want to vote 3rd party again in protest.
Me three as to the above. However, the 'Im out' was mainly over the 1/6 incident.
The issues with challenging the elections in the states, were all pretty wacko. But, he had every right to fight them as far as possible in the courts. I dont have a real problem there.
The garbage he latched onto to fight the actual certification was comic book level ****. Again, thinking you can win with comic book stuff isnt the hallmark of good results at the end. Not a crime though.
But my 'hard break' is over the manner he watched TV and tweeted attacks on Pence during the certification and riot. Pretty friggin' unprecedented and too much for me.
(07-25-2022 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Maybe before running your mouth and locking yourself in for the dishonesty you are showing....
you should have read the whole thread before posting. I already showed your dishonesty. Your hate for the man began way before he ever become President.
No need for me to copy and paste your bullshite again look a few post above this one. YOU, not me said the red text is why you hate Trump. I gave you the chance to explain your reasons and you took it.....the red text. Your hate had nothing to do with President Trump....
You have shown no such thing. You have offered five snippets from posts made in 2016 explaining why I intended to vote for Gary Johnson and not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Something that I have never once claimed differently.
If that's the best you've got WKUYG-ette, then I will presume the transition surgery went well. Because it it not just honesty that you lack.
Come on man and I always gave you credit for being smart. This is the 3rd time you tried to use that and I'm the one person that doesnt give in to that mean girl problem you are showing. Do you think your opinion of me or what ever actually matters? I'm not that person that cares. I'm beginning to think I was completely wrong on the smart thingy.
Nope, I wasnt wrong and as I said before, you most likely spend you adult life working close to some government type. Some smart people doing some of those jobs....dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to common sense.
That seems to be the case with you. I gave you every chance to explain why you hate Trump and other than the red text you told me to F' off. Now you are once again trying to explain...well I had other reasons.
Should have took the time to explain them because everyone posting here (other than you) knew you were being 100% dishonest on the red text being your reasons. I just showed them to you. So unless you have something different I have no other use of you.
It will be a relief if you mean it about you having no further use for me. You are not someone I particularly want to interact with. You add nothing to any conversation that I can recall, aside from ever-changing positions, lengthy posts that rarely address the point at hand and underhanded assumptions about the other poster.
I know that you haven't transitioned, WKUYG. I know that you are a proud parent and (if I recall correctly) also a proud grandparent. Good for you.
But did you enjoy the experience of having me assume something about you with no basis for doing so? Yet you think nothing of assuming (i) that my posts are driven only by an irrational hatred of Donald Trump; (ii) that I've lied about that, even though you've searched my history and found not a single supporting instance of that; and (iii) that I am a gov't leech, even though I in the past have told you that I am not.
(07-25-2022 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Maybe before running your mouth and locking yourself in for the dishonesty you are showing....
you should have read the whole thread before posting. I already showed your dishonesty. Your hate for the man began way before he ever become President.
No need for me to copy and paste your bullshite again look a few post above this one. YOU, not me said the red text is why you hate Trump. I gave you the chance to explain your reasons and you took it.....the red text. Your hate had nothing to do with President Trump....
You have shown no such thing. You have offered five snippets from posts made in 2016 explaining why I intended to vote for Gary Johnson and not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Something that I have never once claimed differently.
If that's the best you've got WKUYG-ette, then I will presume the transition surgery went well. Because it it not just honesty that you lack.
Once again being totally dishonest, actually you are flat out lying. Those are post of you showing your HATE for Trump long before he became President and the excuse you gave in the "red text"
had nothing to on why you voted 3rd party...other than maybe the one. Do you really think there's only 5? I could post 30+ previous post from you before 90% of those thing in red text took place.
(07-25-2022 02:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Maybe before running your mouth and locking yourself in for the dishonesty you are showing....
you should have read the whole thread before posting. I already showed your dishonesty. Your hate for the man began way before he ever become President.
No need for me to copy and paste your bullshite again look a few post above this one. YOU, not me said the red text is why you hate Trump. I gave you the chance to explain your reasons and you took it.....the red text. Your hate had nothing to do with President Trump....
You have shown no such thing. You have offered five snippets from posts made in 2016 explaining why I intended to vote for Gary Johnson and not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Something that I have never once claimed differently.
If that's the best you've got WKUYG-ette, then I will presume the transition surgery went well. Because it it not just honesty that you lack.
Once again being totally dishonest, actually you are flat out lying. Those are post of you showing your HATE for Trump long before he became President and the excuse you gave in the "red text"
had nothing to on why you voted 3rd party...other than maybe the one. Do you really think there's only 5? I could post 30+ previous post from you before 90% of those thing in red text took place.
I guess you cannot help yourself. Sad life you've got there.
(07-25-2022 02:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Talk about dishonest and hating the man for everything he did AS PRESIDENT. I wont flood the board with the post after post after post just like the 5 below by AdoptedMonarch' (I could)
(08-18-2016 11:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: Until I see some indication that the man is not doing everything he possibly can to throw the election to Hillary, he will NOT get my vote. Granted, he's MAY be the lesser of two evils. But I won't support someone who is in this only to serve his need to preen in public.
Donald Trump is a complete loser. He knows that he is going down for a defeat of historical proportions, and now is simply looking for a way to blame his coming defeat on someone other than himself. The heck with him, and with anyone else (such as the author of the worthless commentary) trying to get me to compromise my principles. I won't do it, even if Virginia is close.
(08-17-2016 07:35 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: The word that will forever stick with Donald Trump is "LOSER".
Thanks to him, and also to his willfully blind supporters, we will end up with another corrupt Clinton in the White House.
Shame on Donald Trump and shame on his supporters.
(03-31-2016 09:24 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: Is this meant as a demonstration that Trump voters wouldn't know how to secede, even if they wished to do so?
#NeverTrump
#NeverHillary
(08-26-2016 03:37 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:
(08-26-2016 03:06 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:
(08-26-2016 01:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:
(08-26-2016 08:38 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote: Did the unicorns and gummy bears tell you that? Because here in reality that isn't even remotely close to the truth.
Unlike you, I don't pretend to be the uncontested voice of truth.
Mine is just an opinion. It is based upon a year of listening to Donald Trump frolic his way through the Republican primaries and now several months into the general election campaign -- without ever once offering up any coherent policy proposal (how's that deportation promise looking to you now?), without committing even a fraction of his fabled billions in support of this campaign he purportedly is trying to win, and without displaying any self control whatsoever (portraying a gold star mother as a subordinate pawn -- how truly stupid is he?).
But, lucky for him, he's got you as a supporter. And you have an undeniable grasp and control of the "truth".
Thank God that you're on the job, DefCONNOne. What would the Donald do without you?
All those words typed only to say "neener neener boo boo"?
Trotting out gems like "its over" and "hillary will destroy him in a debate" only proves you cant or wont think for yourself.
I obviously lack your greater logic and political wisdom, DefCONNOne. So explain to me, in terms that even I might understand, how it is that my formulated opinion -- that Donald Trump is a complete and total LOSER -- an opinion which is based upon the un-refuted facts listed in the 2nd paragraph of my above post, is so clearly an indication of my own inability/unwillingness to think for myself.
Thickheaded guy that I am, it is my thought is that you may in fact be the perfect Trump supporter: someone who has no interest in considering actual policy or persuading others to support your position, but instead just wants to shout about how wrong everyone else is.
Whatever gets you off. But this is at least one Virginia voter who would have been very open to supporting Donald Trump had he shown even a partial ability to get past his own self-promotion. No longer.
That Virginia, which had been a swing state, is no longer in contention is a pretty bleak assessment on where this election is headed.
But at least we all know what a GREAT man Donald Trump is. He must be. Why? Well because he has the support of DefCONNOne. What else matters?
Good for him (and I guess for you too). Shame for the nation.
(09-21-2016 11:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: What will I do, evil neocon that I am?
Heck, I might just sign up for a degree from Trump University. It sounds like a fabulous deal.
After that, I'll eat as many skittles as I possibly can, and hope to find one of the three poisoned ones.
(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote: What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.
If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....
none explain your personal feeling on hating the man
Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.
There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.
I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.
I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.
He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.
I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.
I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.
But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.
Straightforward enough WUKYG?
I'll bite cause I'm genuinely curious.
What should he have done? What tools did he have at his disposal to quell a "riot" of somewhere between 2,000-7,000 people depending on who's counting?
We all hear enough of the simple-minded "We have to do SOMETHING" crowd when anything goes sideways or worse, so let's not do that route. It solves nothing.
So, what should he have done or been doing? Tweets for calm? Timely Press releases?
Second ??? for someone, anyone. Since when does someone have to be in the employ of the Federal government in order to claim Exec privilege for private conversations with the POTUS?
If Trump (or any POTUS)decides to go have a couple beers at Ebbitt Grill with his old school friend Johnny Two-sticks and Pres tells him something rather innocuous, but likely classified- His upcoming travel schedule, his new Secretary is smoking hot or whatever nonsense, is that not covered if it's said in confidence? Can Two-sticks be compelled/demanded to disclose a private conversation?
Is that where we are now?
Didn't Cheney (VP) have a case with Oil and energy Exec's that the SCOTUS said was privileged or protected?
(This post was last modified: 07-25-2022 04:07 PM by JMUDunk.)
Astonishing that the country is falling apart and the op is tidal wave of bad news and the loons are so butthurt over Trump thats all they can talk about.
(07-25-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: It's still funny to me that so many members of this echo chamber don't understand how a president with terrible approval ratings could have lost an election.
I fully admit that I have always thought of DJT as a vainglorious douche bag, going back well before his political adventures. And I didn't agree with much of what he did while in office: his policies borne of economic ignorance, disdain for the 1st amendment, spending, and his lack of attention to fixing Obamacare, among others. But I'm also grateful he was ready, willing, and able to prevent Hillary from becoming president. And his Supreme Court nominations were home runs. His Putin fixation perplexed me but his foreign policy was pretty much aligned with what I wanted. So I would have been fine with another 4 years.
But after losing to Biden (yes, I believe he really did lose), he listened to the crackpot ball washers on his team who advised him recklessly and he decided he should resist* the peaceful transition of power that is a hallmark of our democracy. That was it for me; I'm out. I won't vote for him. Maybe some posters here will think that broken or deranged. *shrug*
Edit: *For clarity, this is independent of the 1/6 riot. As soon as he started claiming Pence could/should de-certify he crossed over my red line.
I think thats kind of the real difference you have with many folks here. Over his 4 years in office, I frankly found his actual policies worked pretty darn well and that I agreed with most everything he actually did. You didnt like most of his policies and actions----so it makes sense you wouldnt support him. I'd also note that he wasnt who I supported in the 2016 primary and while I agreed with most of what he said---I figured his natural tendency to essentially think out loud would end up being a problem for a president. In a company---you can be free to float ideas--even out of the box ideas are welcome---the bad ones get shot down and you move forward with the best solution. lol---That kind of business problem solving "open to discussing any idea" mentality doesnt work nearly as well in a presidential press conference. I honestly think that kind of spit balling ideas in public or within ear shot of enemies is where a lot of his problems came from.
One thing I will say, that accusation you make that Trump was somehow had a disdain for the First Amendment makes me think you're completely making up everything else in your post. There is ZERO that Trump did that undermined the First Amendment. Underminuing and controlling free speech is how the Progressives like to do business---defining everything they dont agree with as "mis-information" and then demanding it be eliminated from all public discourse. Hell---no less than a Progressive former Secretary of Housing suggested that Republicans should be sent to "re-education camps". It aint Trump you need to fear when it comes to undermining free speech.
(This post was last modified: 07-25-2022 04:17 PM by Attackcoog.)
(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote: What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.
If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....
none explain your personal feeling on hating the man
Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.
There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.
I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.
I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.
He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.
I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.
I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.
But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.
Straightforward enough WUKYG?
I'll bite cause I'm genuinely curious.
What should he have done? What tools did he have at his disposal to quell a "riot" of somewhere between 2,000-7,000 people depending on who's counting?
We all here enough of the simple-minded "We have to do SOMETHING" crowd when anything goes sideways or worse, so let's not do that route. It solves nothing.
So, what should he have done or been doing? Tweets for calm? Timely Press releases?
Second ??? for someone, anyone. Since when does someone have to be in the employ of the Federal government in order to claim Exec privilege for private conversations with the POTUS?
If Trump (or any POTUS)decides to go have a couple beers at Ebbitt Grill with his old school friend Johnny Two-sticks and Pres tells him something rather innocuous, but likely classified- His upcoming travel schedule, his new Secretary is smoking hot or whatever nonsense, is that not covered if it's said in confidence? Can Two-sticks be compelled/demanded to disclose a private conversation?
Is that where we are now?
Didn't Cheney (VP) have a case with Oil and energy Exec's that the SCOTUS said was privileged or protected?
I had the same question as your first one. I'm still waiting for his answer.
(07-25-2022 03:53 PM)shere khan Wrote: Astonishing that the country is falling apart and the op is tidal wave of bad news and the loons are so butthurt over Trump thats all they can talk about.
(07-25-2022 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote: What I want to see is the top 5 reasons from tanqtonic & AdoptedMonarch they feel the way they do on Trump. I'm not talking about the bullcrap answers, sleaze, unfit, or any other adjective. For once I would love to see the Trump haters give a list (dont have to stop at 5)and back their list up with their words...not the MSM's generic bullcrap that keeps changing and you cant pin down.
If not 5 do a top 3 reasons because honestly I dont think I've seen that from either of you. I've seen runs his mouth, lost a debate, sleaze, talks too much, didnt stand up to the democrats and media on COVID. All of those are reasons he could have loss the election....
none explain your personal feeling on hating the man
Look at it this way, the next time someone questions you on this you have a record that you can point to and a quick copy and paste. If that's already out there then do that now.
There is one overriding objection to him from my perspective.
I think in the events of Jan 6, he fundamentally abdicated his role of President, and did so to promote a self-serving goal. There is no way a person in that office can: a) watch the riot progress for three hours and do nothing; or b) tweet out in that 3 hours an attack on Pence, and on the process of certification without being in dereliction of his oath to the office.
I think as such, he is fundamentally unfit for the office. There are reports that when Mark Meadows said to him that Pence was liable to be hung, Trump responded that 'maybe its right that he gets hanged' (paraphrase). I wont tag him with that statement, since it is hearsay. And Meadows is fighting tooth and nail to evade any subpoena. If that comment is true, it adds on to the stuff listed above.
He used the office in that manner in nothing but what could be described conservatively as a 'self-serving' manner.
I could care less that he runs his mouth, tweets mean tweets, is a sleaze, rattles off lie after lie, or, is kind of absolutely ignorant of much of the other nuances of the rule of law.
I supported every effort he made to fight the election results -- he has that right.
Many of them were fing bat **** crazy, but he still has that right. I dont think he 'incited' the riot, and I actually support a large number of his policies and achievements.
But, I rate him with the likes of Richard Nixon in how he subverted the Office of the President in that timeframe.
Straightforward enough WUKYG?
I'll bite cause I'm genuinely curious.
What should he have done? What tools did he have at his disposal to quell a "riot" of somewhere between 2,000-7,000 people depending on who's counting?
We all here enough of the simple-minded "We have to do SOMETHING" crowd when anything goes sideways or worse, so let's not do that route. It solves nothing.
So, what should he have done or been doing? Tweets for calm? Timely Press releases?
Second ??? for someone, anyone. Since when does someone have to be in the employ of the Federal government in order to claim Exec privilege for private conversations with the POTUS?
If Trump (or any POTUS)decides to go have a couple beers at Ebbitt Grill with his old school friend Johnny Two-sticks and Pres tells him something rather innocuous, but likely classified- His upcoming travel schedule, his new Secretary is smoking hot or whatever nonsense, is that not covered if it's said in confidence? Can Two-sticks be compelled/demanded to disclose a private conversation?
Is that where we are now?
Didn't Cheney (VP) have a case with Oil and energy Exec's that the SCOTUS said was privileged or protected?
I had the same question as your first one. I'm still waiting for his answer.
You just HAD to go and quote me before I could fix here/hear...
(07-25-2022 03:53 PM)shere khan Wrote: Astonishing that the country is falling apart and the op is tidal wave of bad news and the loons are so butthurt over Trump thats all they can talk about.
Lets be honest. Every week is a tough week for this White House because its basic policies suck and have destroyed the financial heath of the economy. Despite overwhelming evidence that the Biden Progessive agenda is an unmitigated economic disaster----Biden's mid-course correction has been to double down on stupid. It is what it is.
Quote:The White House is expending a tremendous amount of communication effort over the past 48 hours trying to convince the American public that the economy is good, and we are not in a recession.
Yesterday it was Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. Today National Economic Council Chairman Brian Deese, White House Economist Jared Bernstein and even Joe Biden himself, all declaring that despite the economic contraction you may feel, see and even quantify, we are not in a recession.
The action of the recession deniers reminds me of the famous Ralph Waldo Emmerson quote:
“The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”
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Tidal wave of bad news coming next week
those posts aged really well.
