(07-24-2022 06:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 06:42 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 06:25 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 06:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 04:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  No concern that there is the obstruction of the government or its proceeding?

Im sorry, if you trespass with the intent of obstructing the government of the United States, that goes a shade beyond 'he went down the wrong hallway' type offense that you put out there for me.

And as to the 'non political prosecution', the 'protesters' went there for decidedly political aims themselves --- to obstruct, hinder, delay, or stop the certification.

This isnt a 'well charlie he was protesting' type thing. Again, the dude that offed himself, in his plea agreement stated that he went there to delay and obstruct the certification. When you do that in a Congressional committee, that is itself bad juju. When you try and do that with a Joint Session of Congress, I would guess that level of interference is double bad juju. With the certification of a Presdential vote, triple bad juju. Then it gets raised a notch when the President or Vice President is part of the proceeding.

In this intance, no -- a 'well he was in the wrong place, poor sap' doesnt really cover it.

Its called a political protest. These are common in this country.

A ‘political protest’ that storms the Capitol during the Joint Session of Congress with the Vice President presiding while they are sitting to certify a Presidential election most decidedly is not “common in this country”.

Fairly shallow to equate this as equivalent to the 8 guys that bang drums in front of Austin City Council, don’t you think?

Quote:I don't know how parading when the police let you in and you leave when they ask is any serious obstruction of the government.

Are you really asking us to believe that each and every person in the Capitol mob was let in by the police? Seriously?

Funny that the photos in the charging docs for the guy that offed himself shows his co-charged companion literally in the face of a cop with riot gear and the cop pointing her away. Are you saying that the people for 4 hours wandered in the Capitol, and only then were they asked to leave, and they left when asked? Again, seriously? There are literally thousands of tape hours that fly in the face of your ‘they left when asked’.

Good grief dude. Stop with this level of justification.

Nothing but friendly walking around, left when cops asked -- my ass.

Deflect much?

Here’s evidence, especially in the second video of police negotiating with protestors to protest inside the Capitol as long as it was peaceful

Most of those protestors seen in the video were arrested and charged with parading and interfering with proceedings despite the police saying they are welcome to protest as long as it’s peaceful.

Were there some violent people there? Yes but most weren’t violent and stood around the Capitol police. It wasn’t a insurrection nor should these people be locked up for over 6 months for this

(07-24-2022 04:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 01:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 11:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What is the 'culpability line' in which people that went into the Capitol should be charged?

Serious question.

What actions should be ignored, and which actions should face criminal time?

Seriously dude? A trespassing charge and a fine. You don’t put anyone in jail for six months waiting to be sentenced for this type of crime unless retribution and revenge are your motives. Repulsive and disgusting at best and only someone with the brain capacity of a snail would defend this or a brainwashed lackey.

My stance is that they went in to disrupt the proceeding. To obstruct it. To stop it if they thought they could. And yes, to do that I think a few months is appropriate.

I think the people that go into congressional proceedings and shut down the proceeding deserve the same. The subject of the proceedings doesnt matter.

I think that people that go into a courtroom for the purposes of shutting down the proceedings there deserve the same. The subject of the proceedings again doesnt matter.

You would have to be a roaring moron if you were there and didnt realize what was going on in there. And you would have to be a roaring moron to think that you were allowed in there. And you would have to be a roaring moron to not think that the reason you coudnt be in there was because of the certification with a Joint Session of Congress and the VP there.

Even the guy that offed himself, in his plea, stated that he knew the building was off limits, he knew the building and area were restricted, and that he knew the certification was ongoing. And to top it off, he did all that with the intent to obstruct it. The tweet clipped off that portion of the document (not surprisingly).

In all honesty, if it had been a handful, one, two, five, six that went in there, i would feel much as you do on the trespassing. But this wasnt a handful -- it was thousands. With the intent of obstructing the certification.

In that instance I have zero problem with 4-6 month sentences. Much as I have zero issue for a 4-6 month sentence for trespassing on a nuclear weapons depot in a military base.

As for your 'brain of a snail' comment, take a flying leap. I havent called you a single name (until sentence after next, that is). In fact I responded with a helluva lot more respect for you in the above than you afforded above. If you want to go 6th grade in your response, that is your moronic problem.

I'll be happy to discuss without the associate idiot level ad hom.

This response just let’s me know you are part of the problem. We now see you are pig in Animal Farm by Orwell. It’s ok for folks to trash common folks but parading on Big Brother is a Cardinal offense. In other words peasants need to know their place.

I couldn’t care less about an official proceeding getting delayed a couple of hours. The man was not armed he didn’t assault anyone and was not a threat.

For someone with legal knowledge you are woefully challenged in the all men are created equal arena. Go enjoy your Chateaubriand and us commoners will eat cake.

(07-24-2022 06:59 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Deflect much?

Very little. The guy above you stated that 1/6 was a common political protest. And that all they did was walk around. And left when asked.

That was utter bull**** and we all know it.

You followed up with onesies and twosies of stuff claiming nothing but 'common protest' and 'nothing but peaceful'

And we all know that it wasnt that overall. Nor was the mob completely bent on destruction. Somehow you all seemingly think 'nothing but peace' and the moron progs think it was running battle.

Each of you is dead wrong. It was absolutely declared a riot. And properly so. Im tired of the progs saying it was a hellacious running battle, but it is equally as frustrating with the idiots that say it was a common and normal protest, and they all left when asked.

Quote:Here’s evidence, especially in the second video of police negotiating with protestors to protest inside the Capitol as long as it was peaceful

And that doesnt detract from the above.

Quote:Most of those protestors seen in the video were arrested and charged with parading and interfering with proceedings despite the police saying they are welcome to protest as long as it’s peaceful.

'Impeding' is a very specific charge. And it fits. Do I think it correct that a cop 'invites them in as long as it is peaceful' then they are charged? Not at all. And you might note that at least a number of people have had their milder charges of trespassing in a restricted area dropped when evidence was produced of that type of interaction. But look at the elements -- the cop allowing them may absolve them of 'parading', but not really many of the others.

Here are the charges typically used:

Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(1) (knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so)

Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation
of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(2) (knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions)

Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(D) (willfully and knowingly ... utter loud, threatening, or abusive language, or engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct, at any place in the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings with the intent to impede, disrupt, or disturb the orderly conduct of a session of Congress or either House of Congress)

Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(G) (willfully and knowingly ... parade, demonstrate, or picket in any of the Capitol Buildings.)

Quote:Were there some violent people there? Yes but most weren’t violent and stood around the Capitol police. It wasn’t a insurrection nor should these people be locked up for over 6 months for this

I didnt say it was an insurrection. Please dont say that I did.

But many of them are *absolutely* guilty of many of the above charges. Peaceful or not.

As I noted before, had it been a handful of protesters -- I think the sentences would be proper at a much lower level.

Had there been a lot less violence --- again the lower edge of sentences would be in line.

Had there been a lot less number of forced entries --- again, the lower edge of sentences would be absolutely fair in my mind.

Had it been something less than probably the most important item the Congress does that they were trying to interfere with --- again I would be fine with the lower level of sentences.

Given the sheer scope of mob, the importance of the proceeding they were trying to obstruct, and the literal takeover of the Capitol, I have zero problem throwing out sentences like they were cotton candy. I never want to see an equivalent event ever.

Think of it like California. I think big honking sentences are absolutely in line with the people that do the mass riot and grab that we see as a somewhat common occurrence there -- big sentences will deter than type of event.

I hopefully never see a riot at the Capitol again, let alone a riot that was intending to impede or obstruct something as important as a Presidential election certification. No matter if my candidate won or lost. In this instance the candidate I voted for lost. But I would never want to see the integrity of the process violated like it was on Jan 6.

And it was violated. No matter how often it is claimed that it was a 'common political protest', or that 'they left when asked'.

stupid games and stupid prizes, but you ******* keep circling.

(07-24-2022 07:24 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 04:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 01:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 11:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What is the 'culpability line' in which people that went into the Capitol should be charged?

Serious question.

What actions should be ignored, and which actions should face criminal time?

Seriously dude? A trespassing charge and a fine. You don’t put anyone in jail for six months waiting to be sentenced for this type of crime unless retribution and revenge are your motives. Repulsive and disgusting at best and only someone with the brain capacity of a snail would defend this or a brainwashed lackey.

My stance is that they went in to disrupt the proceeding. To obstruct it. To stop it if they thought they could. And yes, to do that I think a few months is appropriate.

I think the people that go into congressional proceedings and shut down the proceeding deserve the same. The subject of the proceedings doesnt matter.

I think that people that go into a courtroom for the purposes of shutting down the proceedings there deserve the same. The subject of the proceedings again doesnt matter.

You would have to be a roaring moron if you were there and didnt realize what was going on in there. And you would have to be a roaring moron to think that you were allowed in there. And you would have to be a roaring moron to not think that the reason you coudnt be in there was because of the certification with a Joint Session of Congress and the VP there.

Even the guy that offed himself, in his plea, stated that he knew the building was off limits, he knew the building and area were restricted, and that he knew the certification was ongoing. And to top it off, he did all that with the intent to obstruct it. The tweet clipped off that portion of the document (not surprisingly).

In all honesty, if it had been a handful, one, two, five, six that went in there, i would feel much as you do on the trespassing. But this wasnt a handful -- it was thousands. With the intent of obstructing the certification.

In that instance I have zero problem with 4-6 month sentences. Much as I have zero issue for a 4-6 month sentence for trespassing on a nuclear weapons depot in a military base.

As for your 'brain of a snail' comment, take a flying leap. I havent called you a single name (until sentence after next, that is). In fact I responded with a helluva lot more respect for you in the above than you afforded above. If you want to go 6th grade in your response, that is your moronic problem.

I'll be happy to discuss without the associate idiot level ad hom.

It’s ok for folks to trash common folks but parading on Big Brother is a Cardinal offense. In other words peasants need to know their place.

Quit the 'parading' nonsense. Good grief. It was *way* more than that.

Quote: In other words peasants need to know their place.

I dont know how this weird ass class garbage got into the mix --- Holy moses..... Stick with the facts and lay off the suppositions and the stupid ass class baiting crap. That doesnt work for progressives and it just looks extra stupid coming from a supposed conservative.

Quote:I couldn’t care less about an official proceeding getting delayed a couple of hours. The man was not armed he didn’t assault anyone and was not a threat.

First, I do care when a massive mob obstructs the certification.

And, the issue isnt that it simply "[got] delayed by a couple of hours". It got delayed because of a friggin' riot occurring inside. You need to stop trying to cover up with sweet happy words.

Quote:For someone with legal knowledge you are woefully challenged in the all men are created equal arena.

Interesting, you must be the smartest person in the world. You have zero idea of what my ideas and ideals are in the 'all men are created equal' whiny style category. But, when in a discussion where someone brooks an opinion other than your own you go down that path. Awesome.

Quote:Go enjoy your Chateaubriand and us commoners will eat cake.

I suggest an orthopedist. That big giant chip on your shoulder must hurt something fierce.

Im curious why the man took his life over this. He had not been sentenced and most likely would just fined for what he did. I can't imagine a judge giving out the maximum sentence for this. I guess we will never know. Sorry for his family.

(07-24-2022 07:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 06:59 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Deflect much?

Very little. The guy above you stated that 1/6 was a common political protest. And that all they did was walk around. And left when asked.

That was utter bull**** and we all know it.

You followed up with onesies and twosies of stuff claiming nothing but 'common protest' and 'nothing but peaceful'

And we all know that it wasnt that overall. Nor was the mob completely bent on destruction. Somehow you all seemingly think 'nothing but peace' and the moron progs think it was running battle.

Each of you is dead wrong. It was absolutely declared a riot. And properly so. Im tired of the progs saying it was a hellacious running battle, but it is equally as frustrating with the idiots that say it was a common and normal protest, and they all left when asked.

Quote:Here’s evidence, especially in the second video of police negotiating with protestors to protest inside the Capitol as long as it was peaceful

And that doesnt detract from the above.

Quote:Most of those protestors seen in the video were arrested and charged with parading and interfering with proceedings despite the police saying they are welcome to protest as long as it’s peaceful.

'Impeding' is a very specific charge. And it fits. Do I think it correct that a cop 'invites them in as long as it is peaceful' then they are charged? Not at all. And you might note that at least a number of people have had their milder charges of trespassing in a restricted area dropped when evidence was produced of that type of interaction. But look at the elements -- the cop allowing them may absolve them of 'parading', but not really many of the others.

Here are the charges typically used:

Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(1) (knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so)

Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation
of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(2) (knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions)

Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(D) (willfully and knowingly ... utter loud, threatening, or abusive language, or engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct, at any place in the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings with the intent to impede, disrupt, or disturb the orderly conduct of a session of Congress or either House of Congress)

Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(G) (willfully and knowingly ... parade, demonstrate, or picket in any of the Capitol Buildings.)

Quote:Were there some violent people there? Yes but most weren’t violent and stood around the Capitol police. It wasn’t a insurrection nor should these people be locked up for over 6 months for this

I didnt say it was an insurrection. Please dont say that I did.

But many of them are *absolutely* guilty of many of the above charges. Peaceful or not.

As I noted before, had it been a handful of protesters -- I think the sentences would be proper at a much lower level.

Had there been a lot less violence --- again the lower edge of sentences would be in line.

Had there been a lot less number of forced entries --- again, the lower edge of sentences would be absolutely fair in my mind.

Had it been something less than probably the most important item the Congress does that they were trying to interfere with --- again I would be fine with the lower level of sentences.

Given the sheer scope of mob, the importance of the proceeding they were trying to obstruct, and the literal takeover of the Capitol, I have zero problem throwing out sentences like they were cotton candy. I never want to see an equivalent event ever.

Think of it like California. I think big honking sentences are absolutely in line with the people that do the mass riot and grab that we see as a somewhat common occurrence there -- big sentences will deter than type of event.

I hopefully never see a riot at the Capitol again, let alone a riot that was intending to impede or obstruct something as important as a Presidential election certification. No matter if my candidate won or lost. In this instance the candidate I voted for lost. But I would never want to see the integrity of the process violated like it was on Jan 6.

And it was violated. No matter how often it is claimed that it was a 'common political protest', or that 'they left when asked'.

You can ramble on until your blue in the face but it doesn’t nor will it ever make the punishment fit the crime. You know I know and any decent human knows it. So, stop with the gross ignorance trying to defend a political witch hunt.

This is all about showmanship and who cares if we sacrifice a few pawns.

Never mind Ray Epps is still walking free.

Never mind James Clapper lied under oath on video and is walking free.

Never mind Hunter Biden’s computer is full of illegal activity and he is no where near being indicted.

Save your self righteous bs. People watch and understand how rotten to the core our Government is. In case your too slow to pick up on it. Only certain people are held to the letter of the law.

again, stupid games, stupid prizes

(07-24-2022 11:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What is the 'culpability line' in which people that went into the Capitol should be charged?

Serious question.

What actions should be ignored, and which actions should face criminal time?

As always one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s criminal. The controllers will deal with them severely so that the stealing of America can continue. At some point the worm will turn.

These people may have broken the law, but justice is not justice when it is administered by tyrants.

(07-24-2022 07:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 07:42 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 06:59 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Deflect much?

Very little. The guy above you stated that 1/6 was a common political protest. And that all they did was walk around. And left when asked.

That was utter bull**** and we all know it.

You followed up with onesies and twosies of stuff claiming nothing but 'common protest' and 'nothing but peaceful'

And we all know that it wasnt that overall. Nor was the mob completely bent on destruction. Somehow you all seemingly think 'nothing but peace' and the moron progs think it was running battle.

Each of you is dead wrong. It was absolutely declared a riot. And properly so. Im tired of the progs saying it was a hellacious running battle, but it is equally as frustrating with the idiots that say it was a common and normal protest, and they all left when asked.

Quote:Here’s evidence, especially in the second video of police negotiating with protestors to protest inside the Capitol as long as it was peaceful

And that doesnt detract from the above.

Quote:Most of those protestors seen in the video were arrested and charged with parading and interfering with proceedings despite the police saying they are welcome to protest as long as it’s peaceful.

'Impeding' is a very specific charge. And it fits. Do I think it correct that a cop 'invites them in as long as it is peaceful' then they are charged? Not at all. And you might note that at least a number of people have had their milder charges of trespassing in a restricted area dropped when evidence was produced of that type of interaction. But look at the elements -- the cop allowing them may absolve them of 'parading', but not really many of the others.

Here are the charges typically used:

Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(1) (knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so)

Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation
of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1752(a)(2) (knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions)

Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(D) (willfully and knowingly ... utter loud, threatening, or abusive language, or engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct, at any place in the Grounds or in any of the Capitol Buildings with the intent to impede, disrupt, or disturb the orderly conduct of a session of Congress or either House of Congress)

Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5104(e)(2)(G) (willfully and knowingly ... parade, demonstrate, or picket in any of the Capitol Buildings.)

Quote:Were there some violent people there? Yes but most weren’t violent and stood around the Capitol police. It wasn’t a insurrection nor should these people be locked up for over 6 months for this

I didnt say it was an insurrection. Please dont say that I did.

But many of them are *absolutely* guilty of many of the above charges. Peaceful or not.

As I noted before, had it been a handful of protesters -- I think the sentences would be proper at a much lower level.

Had there been a lot less violence --- again the lower edge of sentences would be in line.

Had there been a lot less number of forced entries --- again, the lower edge of sentences would be absolutely fair in my mind.

Had it been something less than probably the most important item the Congress does that they were trying to interfere with --- again I would be fine with the lower level of sentences.

Given the sheer scope of mob, the importance of the proceeding they were trying to obstruct, and the literal takeover of the Capitol, I have zero problem throwing out sentences like they were cotton candy. I never want to see an equivalent event ever.

Think of it like California. I think big honking sentences are absolutely in line with the people that do the mass riot and grab that we see as a somewhat common occurrence there -- big sentences will deter than type of event.

I hopefully never see a riot at the Capitol again, let alone a riot that was intending to impede or obstruct something as important as a Presidential election certification. No matter if my candidate won or lost. In this instance the candidate I voted for lost. But I would never want to see the integrity of the process violated like it was on Jan 6.

And it was violated. No matter how often it is claimed that it was a 'common political protest', or that 'they left when asked'.

You can ramble on until your blue in the face but it doesn’t nor will it ever make the punishment fit the crime. You know I know and any decent human knows it. So, stop with the gross ignorance trying to defend a political witch hunt.

This is all about showmanship and who cares if we sacrifice a few pawns.

Never mind Ray Epps is still walking free.

Never mind James Clapper lied under oath on video and is walking free.

Never mind Hunter Biden’s computer is full of illegal activity and he is no where near being indicted.

Save your self righteous bs. People watch and understand how rotten to the core our Government is. In case your too slow to pick up on it. Only certain people are held to the letter of the law.

So you blame Clapper and Hunter Biden..... and have the gall to say that I am 'gross[ly] ignorant' and 'slow'. Now *that* truly is funny.

But, please go on with your massive conspiracy of everything and everyone against you in your wonderful and cute diatribe.

As another noted: "Every GD person that entered the Capitol knew they were in the wrong."

I'll add Every GD person that entered the Capitol knew what was going on, and was trying to disrupt it.

If not, there are some major league idiots we are producing.

And, given the level of what that event was, I have zero sympathy for the morons that decided to enter the Capitol, knowing it was illegal, and knowing that all they wanted to do was disrupt it's purpose that day.

And yep, the mean ol' ***** of Federal law bites them on their ass. Darwin's Law of a sort.

And yes, it sucks that more werent charged for the Summer 2020 riots. The 'whadabout' schtick gets tired, but it fits the Trump 'victim all my life' thingy to tee.

It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

(07-24-2022 08:49 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

Sorry, but the inclusion of Hunter Biden and Clapper really got me laughing.

I have zero idea how or why Epps was taken off the 'we need to prosecute' list.

My understanding was that Epps never entered the Capitol. That may be wrong -- I dont know it that deep. I dont think anyone who did not enter has been charged.

Yes, there are videos of Epps urging people to do just that (enter the Capitol).

Is there any tangible evidence that points Epps out as an undercover narc? I've heard the allegations, mainly on the 'why wasnt he charged' being the leading piece of evidence.

I have a client who was on the steps. I did not represent him in the Capitol issue. He did not enter, and he talked to the FBI who knocked at his door.

There is as much evidence that my client was an undercover operative as was Epps. If you can tell me why Epps is thought of aside from a non-charge -- tell me. I'm open to that. But the whadaboutism that he wasnt charged isnt going to be enough.

Nor would it be an excuse in front of any forum.

Its kind of like this. You are driving really fast down a country road and pass me at 95, while I am doing 63. The speed limit is 60. The popo nail you a mile down the road. Is it a defense to your speeding ticket that I was going 63 way back there? That is what the evidence of 'Epps wasnt charged' actually means.

If there is further evidence of his being an undercover operative of the Feds, I would like to see.

(07-24-2022 09:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 08:49 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

Sorry, but the inclusion of Hunter Biden and Clapper really got me laughing.

I have zero idea how or why Epps was taken off the 'we need to prosecute' list.


My understanding was that Epps never entered the Capitol. That may be wrong -- I dont know it that deep. I dont think anyone who did not enter has been charged.

It’s

Yes, there are videos of Epps urging people to do just that (enter the Capitol).

Is there any tangible evidence that points Epps out as an undercover narc? I've heard the allegations, mainly on the 'why wasnt he charged' being the leading piece of evidence.

I have a client who was on the steps. I did not represent him in the Capitol issue. He did not enter, and he talked to the FBI who knocked at his door.

There is as much evidence that my client was an undercover operative as was Epps. If you can tell me why Epps is thought of aside from a non-charge -- tell me. I'm open to that. But the whadaboutism that he wasnt charged isnt going to be enough.

Nor would it be an excuse in front of any forum.

Its kind of like this. You are driving really fast down a country road and pass me at 95, while I am doing 63. The speed limit is 60. The popo nail you a mile down the road. Is it a defense to your speeding ticket that I was going 63 way back there? That is what the evidence of 'Epps wasnt charged' actually means.

If there is further evidence of his being an undercover operative of the Feds, I would like to see.

It’s not just Epps. Here’s another man on the scaffold giving out directions and he hasn’t been identified nor is on the FBI most wanted list. There’s a another video of a woman giving out directions to protestors inside the Capitol but I can’t seem to find it right now. None of these people are identified by FBI or DOJ but are leading the ‘insurrection’

If it’s one person not identified it’s probably a coincidence but if it’s more than two then something smells

(07-24-2022 09:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 08:49 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

I have zero idea how or why Epps was taken off the 'we need to prosecute' list.

lulz

Pretty impressive for a number of reasons.

Think of what you say, or need to have, in order for the issue to be germane.

A handful of people somehow convinced thousands of people, who would have otherwise stayed on the steps, into the Capitol.

Do you really think that none of the thousands of people that swarmed into the Capitol came to the Capitol without intent to try and get into the Capitol?

If you actually believe above, do you think a handful of people are the sole instigators of trying to get into the Capitol?

Looking at the videos, I would very much hope they are being sought by the authorities. Considering the guy the subject at the top of this thread, would you be surprised that they sealed his indictment for awhile? Happens all the time in this mound of cases.

How do you know that these people are *not* being investigated, let alone *not* indicted? Literally speaking, there is no way to know whether or not there is or is not an indictment, let alone an ongoing investigation.

My client that I spoke of, one of his best friends was with him in Washington. Dude had no idea there was an investigation of him until something like ten or twelve weeks ago. Until the FBI had a chat with him, that is.

Sorry, I am naturally a skeptic. If all there is is 1) here are three people; and 2) they have not been investigated as far as I know -- that really makes me strain to conclude a giant conspiracy exists with these people as agent provocateurs.

There well may be a giant conspiracy to urge people into the Capitol so that Big Brother can mash their foot on 800 common people's necks just to make a statement. I dont see much in support of that though, with all respect.

On the other hand, I would be fairly certain (and would hope) that there were Feds in the crowd. Would seem pretty sloppy not to have them there. Again, that doesnt mean the Feds provoked 2000 to 7000 people to enter the Capitol.

(07-24-2022 09:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 09:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 08:49 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

I have zero idea how or why Epps was taken off the 'we need to prosecute' list.

lulz

Do you have first hand knowledge of how or why, U? Regale us with this knowledge.

I have zero knowledge of the how and why. Being honest. I guess not having first hand knowledge, or stating that I dont have that knowledge is somehow humorous to you. Kind of odd --- but hey, no skin off my back.

I would love to know your inside trove of first hand facts. Throw em out there, bro.

Remember -- first hand facts. Or sourced facts. Alex Jones, reddit, and comic books dont pass the 'source test', though.

Or, if you cant or wont, is your laugh just a really bad channeling of Butthead from MTV years back?

(07-24-2022 10:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 09:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 09:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 08:49 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

I have zero idea how or why Epps was taken off the 'we need to prosecute' list.

lulz

Do you have first hand knowledge of how or why, U?

Things will become much clearer for you when you pull your head out of Liz Cheneys ass.

(07-25-2022 07:52 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 10:06 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 09:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 09:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 08:49 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out people seen in these ‘insurrection’ videos literally leading the charge but not indicted let alone just on the FBI most wanted list so they can find them

I have zero idea how or why Epps was taken off the 'we need to prosecute' list.

lulz

Do you have first hand knowledge of how or why, U?

Things will become much clearer for you when you pull your head out of Liz Cheneys ass.

Ooh goody. 2nd grade ad homs.

I'll take your shallow idiot-style comment (no surprise there) as a simple 'no, U doesnt have any information and is practicing his Butthead laugh'.

(07-24-2022 07:54 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 07:24 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 04:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 01:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-24-2022 11:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What is the 'culpability line' in which people that went into the Capitol should be charged?

Serious question.

What actions should be ignored, and which actions should face criminal time?

Seriously dude? A trespassing charge and a fine. You don’t put anyone in jail for six months waiting to be sentenced for this type of crime unless retribution and revenge are your motives. Repulsive and disgusting at best and only someone with the brain capacity of a snail would defend this or a brainwashed lackey.

My stance is that they went in to disrupt the proceeding. To obstruct it. To stop it if they thought they could. And yes, to do that I think a few months is appropriate.

I think the people that go into congressional proceedings and shut down the proceeding deserve the same. The subject of the proceedings doesnt matter.

I think that people that go into a courtroom for the purposes of shutting down the proceedings there deserve the same. The subject of the proceedings again doesnt matter.

You would have to be a roaring moron if you were there and didnt realize what was going on in there. And you would have to be a roaring moron to think that you were allowed in there. And you would have to be a roaring moron to not think that the reason you coudnt be in there was because of the certification with a Joint Session of Congress and the VP there.

Even the guy that offed himself, in his plea, stated that he knew the building was off limits, he knew the building and area were restricted, and that he knew the certification was ongoing. And to top it off, he did all that with the intent to obstruct it. The tweet clipped off that portion of the document (not surprisingly).

In all honesty, if it had been a handful, one, two, five, six that went in there, i would feel much as you do on the trespassing. But this wasnt a handful -- it was thousands. With the intent of obstructing the certification.

In that instance I have zero problem with 4-6 month sentences. Much as I have zero issue for a 4-6 month sentence for trespassing on a nuclear weapons depot in a military base.

As for your 'brain of a snail' comment, take a flying leap. I havent called you a single name (until sentence after next, that is). In fact I responded with a helluva lot more respect for you in the above than you afforded above. If you want to go 6th grade in your response, that is your moronic problem.

I'll be happy to discuss without the associate idiot level ad hom.

It’s ok for folks to trash common folks but parading on Big Brother is a Cardinal offense. In other words peasants need to know their place.

Quit the 'parading' nonsense. Good grief. It was *way* more than that.

Quote: In other words peasants need to know their place.

I dont know how this weird ass class garbage got into the mix --- Holy moses..... Stick with the facts and lay off the suppositions and the stupid ass class baiting crap. That doesnt work for progressives and it just looks extra stupid coming from a supposed conservative.

Quote:I couldn’t care less about an official proceeding getting delayed a couple of hours. The man was not armed he didn’t assault anyone and was not a threat.

First, I do care when a massive mob obstructs the certification.

And, the issue isnt that it simply "[got] delayed by a couple of hours". It got delayed because of a friggin' riot occurring inside. You need to stop trying to cover up with sweet happy words.

Quote:For someone with legal knowledge you are woefully challenged in the all men are created equal arena.

Interesting, you must be the smartest person in the world. You have zero idea of what my ideas and ideals are in the 'all men are created equal' whiny style category. But, when in a discussion where someone brooks an opinion other than your own you go down that path. Awesome.

Quote:Go enjoy your Chateaubriand and us commoners will eat cake.

I suggest an orthopedist. That big giant chip on your shoulder must hurt something fierce.

Nobody said everybody was parading. You are either really stupid or really dishonest.

The topic is the guy in the OP. He was charged with parading. The indictment says he entered when police opened the door and left when he was asked to leave.

Its criminal that he was put in jail.

The people who were violent deserve to have the book thrown at them. The people who weren't should get a ticket and fine.

Fact is that they are even arresting people who weren't even at the Capitol. They are using phone data to arrest people who were simply at Trump's rally. Its very gestapo/KGB of the FBI.