Since I am on the ACC board I will be nice.

(07-18-2022 04:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Say NBC says no.

ND theoretically has to join ACC, and does so with Stanford, Washington, Navy (football only), and Gonzaga (basketball only). ACC drops to a 2-5-5 scheduling model in football with Stanford and Navy as ND's permanent opponents allowing each team 5 slots for scheduling whomever they want; can be other conference opponents if schools so desire, doesn't matter. This changes nothing on ND's current scheduling practice. Don't worry, Pitt will take Navy's as its other permanent opponent along with Syracuse so no one else is getting stuck with Navy as an annual opponent.

ACC's contract is reopened with the addition of new schools. The football side of the money is pro-rated based on how many "power #" teams are played at home and how many FBS teams are played at home on each school's schedule. Schedule a bunch of FCS punching bags, you earn less. Thus schools are incentivized for maxing the value of the TV contract, which allows for negotiating better ESPN rates. This also circumvents the biggest complaint about unequal distribution, which is not knowing how much you'll earn in any one year if based on performance. Everyone has a chance to schedule up (for increased payouts) or down (if you want to stack wins). With ND's current scheduling practices, that also means they'd usually earn at the highest level and Navy would probably be at the lowest as I'd expect Navy to schedule Army, Air Force, and 3 punching bags.

Additional schools and scheduling structure incentivized to create max value allows ACC to get up to $75m or more per school?

NBC won't say no and if it does, ND will join the Big Ten, not the ACC.

Yes, that's what the message board fans have said. However, my hypothetical would preserve the status quo for ND if the money worked. It would be as good of scheduling flexibility that you'd ever get being a member of a conference. I also remember year after year when ND fans said it wasn't just about the money.

Or forgetting ND entirely, take 4-6 from the Pac/B12, incentivize the payout structure to schedule max power/FBS home games, scheduling model still goes to 2-5-5 model but reserve regular season ending game as ACC semifinals for top 4 teams by power ranking formula while else everyone gets matched in a "consolation" game against a non-repeated opponent...again this maximizes events for tv in two ways.

(07-18-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 02:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Notre Dame would remain independent if it can earn at least $75 million annually in media rights revenue from current broadcast partner NBC, sources told CBS Sports. The Fighting Irish's deal with the network is set to expire in 2025.

For NBC to feel comfortable raising Notre Dame's valuation to such a level, it is seeking "shoulder programming" from a Power Five conference to enhance its college football coverage.

When that had previously been speculated, the Big Ten was the conference mentioned most often as a target. However, the Big 12 has emerged as a strong option to fill NBC's shoulder programming needs.

The Big Ten is expected to announce a new $1 billion media rights deal possibly as early as this month with Fox as its primary partner. It is believed to be seeking 2-3 other partners to air its programming with NBC reportedly among the bidders.



https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...dependent/

Plus, ND would still get a full share of all ACC Network profits, along with the 20% partial ACC/ESPN cut.

So, if ND got $75 million from NBC, $10-12 million from ESPN and $5-7 million from the ACC Network, that would be about $90-95 million a year (plus hockey)

I'd probably estimate more like $5-7M from ESPN (only 20% of low $20M's) and $10-12 from the ACCN (now that Comcast is on board).

If NBC can get the rights to some Notre Dame at Big Ten or Notre Dame at Big XII games, that would lock up even more of your schedule - how do you feel about THAT?

Hasn't the ACC deal been paying ND about $10-12 million the last few (non-2020) years (not including the ACC Network) ??

Yes, but that may include non-football / non-tv money.

(07-18-2022 02:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Notre Dame would remain independent if it can earn at least $75 million annually in media rights revenue from current broadcast partner NBC, sources told CBS Sports. The Fighting Irish's deal with the network is set to expire in 2025.

For NBC to feel comfortable raising Notre Dame's valuation to such a level, it is seeking "shoulder programming" from a Power Five conference to enhance its college football coverage.

When that had previously been speculated, the Big Ten was the conference mentioned most often as a target. However, the Big 12 has emerged as a strong option to fill NBC's shoulder programming needs.

The Big Ten is expected to announce a new $1 billion media rights deal possibly as early as this month with Fox as its primary partner. It is believed to be seeking 2-3 other partners to air its programming with NBC reportedly among the bidders.



https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...dependent/

It seems to me that based on the article, NBC would have to decide whether it is worth giving Notre Dame $75 million and sort of implies that it needs to have the Big 12 contract to make it worth while. I don't run a network so I cannot say whether it is worth it or not depending on getting the Big 12 contract and the Notre Dame contract. I wonder how much they would give if they do not get the Big 12 contract. It is implying that it would be less than $75 million, but does not really say but that it needs the Big 12 to capture the audience generated by Notre Dame to make more money.

75 Million sounds about right. CBS paid SEC 55M for game of the week, and then ESPN paid 350M for that. I am sure, NBC, CBS, or ESPN will pay 75M to ND for 7 home games at an annual value of 525M per year! unless the 1B figure for the BIG10 is not accurate.

(07-18-2022 07:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 04:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Say NBC says no.

ND theoretically has to join ACC, and does so with Stanford, Washington, Navy (football only), and Gonzaga (basketball only). ACC drops to a 2-5-5 scheduling model in football with Stanford and Navy as ND's permanent opponents allowing each team 5 slots for scheduling whomever they want; can be other conference opponents if schools so desire, doesn't matter. This changes nothing on ND's current scheduling practice. Don't worry, Pitt will take Navy's as its other permanent opponent along with Syracuse so no one else is getting stuck with Navy as an annual opponent.

ACC's contract is reopened with the addition of new schools. The football side of the money is pro-rated based on how many "power #" teams are played at home and how many FBS teams are played at home on each school's schedule. Schedule a bunch of FCS punching bags, you earn less. Thus schools are incentivized for maxing the value of the TV contract, which allows for negotiating better ESPN rates. This also circumvents the biggest complaint about unequal distribution, which is not knowing how much you'll earn in any one year if based on performance. Everyone has a chance to schedule up (for increased payouts) or down (if you want to stack wins). With ND's current scheduling practices, that also means they'd usually earn at the highest level and Navy would probably be at the lowest as I'd expect Navy to schedule Army, Air Force, and 3 punching bags.

Additional schools and scheduling structure incentivized to create max value allows ACC to get up to $75m or more per school?

NBC won't say no and if it does, ND will join the Big Ten, not the ACC.

Yes, that's what the message board fans have said. However, my hypothetical would preserve the status quo for ND if the money worked. It would be as good of scheduling flexibility that you'd ever get being a member of a conference. I also remember year after year when ND fans said it wasn't just about the money.

Or forgetting ND entirely, take 4-6 from the Pac/B12, incentivize the payout structure to schedule max power/FBS home games, scheduling model still goes to 2-5-5 model but reserve regular season ending game as ACC semifinals for top 4 teams by power ranking formula while else everyone gets matched in a "consolation" game against a non-repeated opponent...again this maximizes events for tv in two ways.

(07-18-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 02:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Notre Dame would remain independent if it can earn at least $75 million annually in media rights revenue from current broadcast partner NBC, sources told CBS Sports. The Fighting Irish's deal with the network is set to expire in 2025.

For NBC to feel comfortable raising Notre Dame's valuation to such a level, it is seeking "shoulder programming" from a Power Five conference to enhance its college football coverage.

When that had previously been speculated, the Big Ten was the conference mentioned most often as a target. However, the Big 12 has emerged as a strong option to fill NBC's shoulder programming needs.

The Big Ten is expected to announce a new $1 billion media rights deal possibly as early as this month with Fox as its primary partner. It is believed to be seeking 2-3 other partners to air its programming with NBC reportedly among the bidders.



https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...dependent/

Plus, ND would still get a full share of all ACC Network profits, along with the 20% partial ACC/ESPN cut.

So, if ND got $75 million from NBC, $10-12 million from ESPN and $5-7 million from the ACC Network, that would be about $90-95 million a year (plus hockey)

I'd probably estimate more like $5-7M from ESPN (only 20% of low $20M's) and $10-12 from the ACCN (now that Comcast is on board).

If NBC can get the rights to some Notre Dame at Big Ten or Notre Dame at Big XII games, that would lock up even more of your schedule - how do you feel about THAT?

Hasn't the ACC deal been paying ND about $10-12 million the last few (non-2020) years (not including the ACC Network) ??

Yes, but that may include non-football / non-tv money.

Whatever the source, ND is getting it now and would continue to get it if it re-signs with NBC.

So, that all goes to the total media/conference revenue numbers for ND going forward.

(07-19-2022 07:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 07:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 04:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  NBC won't say no and if it does, ND will join the Big Ten, not the ACC.

Yes, that's what the message board fans have said. However, my hypothetical would preserve the status quo for ND if the money worked. It would be as good of scheduling flexibility that you'd ever get being a member of a conference. I also remember year after year when ND fans said it wasn't just about the money.

Or forgetting ND entirely, take 4-6 from the Pac/B12, incentivize the payout structure to schedule max power/FBS home games, scheduling model still goes to 2-5-5 model but reserve regular season ending game as ACC semifinals for top 4 teams by power ranking formula while else everyone gets matched in a "consolation" game against a non-repeated opponent...again this maximizes events for tv in two ways.

(07-18-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Plus, ND would still get a full share of all ACC Network profits, along with the 20% partial ACC/ESPN cut.

So, if ND got $75 million from NBC, $10-12 million from ESPN and $5-7 million from the ACC Network, that would be about $90-95 million a year (plus hockey)

I'd probably estimate more like $5-7M from ESPN (only 20% of low $20M's) and $10-12 from the ACCN (now that Comcast is on board).

If NBC can get the rights to some Notre Dame at Big Ten or Notre Dame at Big XII games, that would lock up even more of your schedule - how do you feel about THAT?

Hasn't the ACC deal been paying ND about $10-12 million the last few (non-2020) years (not including the ACC Network) ??

Yes, but that may include non-football / non-tv money.

Whatever the source, ND is getting it now and would continue to get it if it re-signs with NBC.

So, that all goes to the total media/conference revenue numbers for ND going forward.

asking price not final price ...

PRICE POINT

(07-19-2022 07:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 07:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 04:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  NBC won't say no and if it does, ND will join the Big Ten, not the ACC.

Yes, that's what the message board fans have said. However, my hypothetical would preserve the status quo for ND if the money worked. It would be as good of scheduling flexibility that you'd ever get being a member of a conference. I also remember year after year when ND fans said it wasn't just about the money.

Or forgetting ND entirely, take 4-6 from the Pac/B12, incentivize the payout structure to schedule max power/FBS home games, scheduling model still goes to 2-5-5 model but reserve regular season ending game as ACC semifinals for top 4 teams by power ranking formula while else everyone gets matched in a "consolation" game against a non-repeated opponent...again this maximizes events for tv in two ways.

(07-18-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Plus, ND would still get a full share of all ACC Network profits, along with the 20% partial ACC/ESPN cut.

So, if ND got $75 million from NBC, $10-12 million from ESPN and $5-7 million from the ACC Network, that would be about $90-95 million a year (plus hockey)

I'd probably estimate more like $5-7M from ESPN (only 20% of low $20M's) and $10-12 from the ACCN (now that Comcast is on board).

If NBC can get the rights to some Notre Dame at Big Ten or Notre Dame at Big XII games, that would lock up even more of your schedule - how do you feel about THAT?

Hasn't the ACC deal been paying ND about $10-12 million the last few (non-2020) years (not including the ACC Network) ??

Yes, but that may include non-football / non-tv money.

Whatever the source, ND is getting it now and would continue to get it if it re-signs with NBC.

So, that all goes to the total media/conference revenue numbers for ND going forward.

100% agree - Notre Dame stands to make as much money as Big Ten and SEC teams while remaining independent (JMO at this point, but I feel like it's a likely outcome).

(07-18-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 02:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Notre Dame would remain independent if it can earn at least $75 million annually in media rights revenue from current broadcast partner NBC, sources told CBS Sports. The Fighting Irish's deal with the network is set to expire in 2025.

For NBC to feel comfortable raising Notre Dame's valuation to such a level, it is seeking "shoulder programming" from a Power Five conference to enhance its college football coverage.

When that had previously been speculated, the Big Ten was the conference mentioned most often as a target. However, the Big 12 has emerged as a strong option to fill NBC's shoulder programming needs.

The Big Ten is expected to announce a new $1 billion media rights deal possibly as early as this month with Fox as its primary partner. It is believed to be seeking 2-3 other partners to air its programming with NBC reportedly among the bidders.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...dependent/

Plus, ND would still get a full share of all ACC Network profits, along with the 20% partial ACC/ESPN cut.

So, if ND got $75 million from NBC, $10-12 million from ESPN and $5-7 million from the ACC Network, that would be about $90-95 million a year (plus hockey)

I'd probably estimate more like $5-7M from ESPN (only 20% of low $20M's) and $10-12 from the ACCN (now that Comcast is on board).

If NBC can get the rights to some Notre Dame at Big Ten or Notre Dame at Big XII games, that would lock up even more of your schedule - how do you feel about THAT?

Turns out I was misinterpreting that statement about "shoulder programming". What NBC seems to be looking for is an economy of scale. The cost to broadcast two games per week is considerably less than twice the cost of one game, I would imagine. So having another contract allows NBC to spread out costs, making the ND contract more profitable.

(07-19-2022 11:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 07:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 07:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 04:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 03:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Yes, that's what the message board fans have said. However, my hypothetical would preserve the status quo for ND if the money worked. It would be as good of scheduling flexibility that you'd ever get being a member of a conference. I also remember year after year when ND fans said it wasn't just about the money.

Or forgetting ND entirely, take 4-6 from the Pac/B12, incentivize the payout structure to schedule max power/FBS home games, scheduling model still goes to 2-5-5 model but reserve regular season ending game as ACC semifinals for top 4 teams by power ranking formula while else everyone gets matched in a "consolation" game against a non-repeated opponent...again this maximizes events for tv in two ways.

(07-18-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'd probably estimate more like $5-7M from ESPN (only 20% of low $20M's) and $10-12 from the ACCN (now that Comcast is on board).

If NBC can get the rights to some Notre Dame at Big Ten or Notre Dame at Big XII games, that would lock up even more of your schedule - how do you feel about THAT?

Hasn't the ACC deal been paying ND about $10-12 million the last few (non-2020) years (not including the ACC Network) ??

Yes, but that may include non-football / non-tv money.

Whatever the source, ND is getting it now and would continue to get it if it re-signs with NBC.

So, that all goes to the total media/conference revenue numbers for ND going forward.

100% agree - Notre Dame stands to make as much money as Big Ten and SEC teams while remaining independent (JMO at this point, but I feel like it's a likely outcome).

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...6488130560

GO OVER LIKE A LEAD BALLOON

I want $75 million too. Like ND, I'm not very likely to get it from NBC or any other media giant, but if everyone in the US would just send me a quarter...

C'mon folks, what else could you do with a quarter? You won't miss it, it's pocket change.

(07-20-2022 01:33 PM)colohank Wrote:  I want $75 million too. Like ND, I'm not very likely to get it from NBC or any other media giant, but if everyone in the US would just send me a quarter...

C'mon folks, what else could you do with a quarter? You won't miss it, it's pocket change.

There you have it... ACC just needs to embed CashApp QSR codes in their tv broadcasts and commercials.