(07-15-2022 08:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 06:47 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 04:17 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The media and the DNC join your rejoicing.

What had been nothing but non-stop disastrous news for the left over the past year-plus is now mitigated by the comforting hope that the cancer on the American right may no longer be in remission.

So, if he runs, wins, and then restores America (again) to its former glory of just 4 years ago will you still be offended by his boorish personality and big ego? Or will you accept the bump in your 401k and and restoral of an energy policy that insures we never have to depend on another country again to fuel our economy? Will you be happy that he will once again stem the flow of illegals? Will you be happy if his admin brings the Biden crime family to justice? I can go on if you'd like...

I’ve given some emphasis to the part of your reply that causes me some concern.

I’m perfectly fine with the rest of it.

So you believe the 81,000,000 shows up again?

OTOH the 1/6 kangaroo court is about to go full retard.

(07-16-2022 07:10 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Governing requires trade offs. Successful governance calls for someone with a vision, who knows when to concede a point and when to hold the line when the price of compromise is too high.

I don’t claim to have the historical authority and infallible insight that so many others on this forum pretend to have, but I do agree that both Reagan and Clinton were head-and-shoulders better than others in this regard. Obama COULD have been good at it. But he turned out to be a hateful ideologue and incredibly lazy (thank God) to boot.

Where we differ, of course, is in assessing Donald Trump. He certainly SHOULD have been good at it - - “Art of the Deal” and all that. But his vision was not primarily one for America. It was one for the Donald.

I don’t deny that he did a lot of good for our nation - - most importantly in sparing us the corrupt clutches of Hillary Clinton. But the many successes that he had for our nation were secondary outcomes to his overriding need to sell the Trump brand. It worked in 2016. It failed (and we can argue the reasons for that, but it failed) in 2020. He is, in my view, a bad bet in 2024.

Better bets: DeSantis, Pompeo, Cotton, Cruz, Haley and on and on. The Republicans have a real opportunity in 2022 and 2024. I view Donald Trump as an unhelpful threat to that.

Embrace the MAGA! Forget the man. In the end the man doesn’t matter.
However, we only know two have the firepower to fight the evil that is the MSM; Trump and Desantis. If Trump wants his stolen 2nd term then fine. Desantis on deck.

Trump needs to be King-maker...anoint DeSantis and throw his support behind key candidates for Congress. I imagine Melania is adament she doesn't want Trump to run. He needs to find his niche and move on. I voted for Trump twice but I am ready for DeSantis.

(07-16-2022 02:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 08:06 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 06:47 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 04:17 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The media and the DNC join your rejoicing.

What had been nothing but non-stop disastrous news for the left over the past year-plus is now mitigated by the comforting hope that the cancer on the American right may no longer be in remission.

So, if he runs, wins, and then restores America (again) to its former glory of just 4 years ago will you still be offended by his boorish personality and big ego? Or will you accept the bump in your 401k and and restoral of an energy policy that insures we never have to depend on another country again to fuel our economy? Will you be happy that he will once again stem the flow of illegals? Will you be happy if his admin brings the Biden crime family to justice? I can go on if you'd like...

I’ve given some emphasis to the part of your reply that causes me some concern.

I’m perfectly fine with the rest of it.

So you believe the 81,000,000 shows up again?

OTOH the 1/6 kangaroo court is about to go full retard.

Whatever the number was (and I realize that you are being contemptuous of the 81mm figure - - as you should be), the ballots that were counted as legitimate in four swing states were enough to install the “not Trump” candidate. And that is ALL that Joe Biden was in 2024 - - not Trump.

We all know that President Depends will not be the Democrat nominee in 2024. He instead will be playing bingo for the Little Debby snack cake prizes at the Rehobeth Beach senior living facility. Nor is it likely that V.P. Kneepads will be the nominee. She will be busily firing countless ghostwriters faced the impossible task of coming up with some substantive accomplishment to put in her memoir.

But whoever it is that the Democrats pick, it will be someone who again is “not Trump”. That shouldn’t matter, UNLESS Republicans are cursed again with him as their nominee. Pretty much anyone else that the Republicans put forward in 2024 will win in a cakewalk.

No F'N way anywhere close 81 million will turn out for Any Democrat nomination after the scenario They produced the last 1 .7 years have produced

Sometimes I wonder if some anti-Trumpers will ever understand that it is entirely possible to like the policies of President Trump, and understand how to separate the necessity of those policies from the personality.

I don’t vote for who I think is a “nice guy”.

I don’t vote for who I think is the most Christian guy.

I don’t vote for people based on their Twitter feeds or any other social media activity.

I vote based on policies. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020, and if he runs, I would happily vote for him again in 2024.


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(07-16-2022 03:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Trump needs to be King-maker...anoint DeSantis and throw his support behind key candidates for Congress. I imagine Melania is adament she doesn't want Trump to run. He needs to find his niche and move on. I voted for Trump twice but I am ready for DeSantis.

which I am perfectly comfortable with if he chooses not to run ... however, I still suspect #groverII (which is my preference out of necessity ... FL and the cons need DeSantis in place)

I'm pretty certain I specifically told AM (and the board) last year that DJT was going to be the pom-pom squad for all the mid-term fellers/gals .... that's why I love that inglorious orange basterd ... name another former prez that has fought for MAGA! harder ... #invisible

we'll know soon, Ja?!

(07-16-2022 10:15 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 10:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 09:58 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 09:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm ready for some scorched earth mean tweets....

PLEASE LORD, GIVE US SOMEONE LIKE RONALD REAGAN

I have to agree. Had Trump been more polished and articulate he could have been very close. I don't like his personality, it reeks of New Yawk. BUT, I loved his policies and successes which all seemed to trickle down to the rest of us.

We need a non-politician, e.g. Ross Perot or Donald Trump. But one with integrity and polish and a sense of humor. e.g. Ronald Reagan.

(07-16-2022 02:37 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 09:11 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 08:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 08:09 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 06:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You must be a woman. Gotta be.

I’ve been called worse. More to the point, you have a problem if I am?

Does it cause you to have feelings of impotence knowing that it might be a woman causing all the Trump worshippers on this forum so much obvious distress?

you've been here long enough to understand we don't give two fks about mean tweets ... policy?! that's a different animal...

again, "don't underestimate the donald" --->>> #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment worked better than any in my lifetime to prove the lifeless and self-serving dee-cee fkbags in every capacity .... msm/pacs/lobbyists/etc .... @sadist

like it or not, in '24, you're going to get #groverII

#enjoy

Maybe AM isn't old enough to remember the Reagan years. I'm trying to imagine a POTUS in the years between him and Trump who was better for the country than Trump and can't.

The Clinton's started the downfall of decency in this country ! They were the ones doing the shady behind the scenes dealings and those that got in their way were permanently dealt with. Obama continued the downslide even farther and still pulls Biden's strings today .

Absolutely. None of the history books will ever cover that though.

(07-16-2022 06:02 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder if some anti-Trumpers will ever understand that it is entirely possible to like the policies of President Trump, and understand how to separate the necessity of those policies from the personality.

I don’t vote for who I think is a “nice guy”.

I don’t vote for who I think is the most Christian guy.

I don’t vote for people based on their Twitter feeds or any other social media activity.

I vote based on policies. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020, and if he runs, I would happily vote for him again in 2024.


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It's like separating the art from the artist. Even a left wing asshat can make outstanding music.

(07-16-2022 06:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 06:02 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder if some anti-Trumpers will ever understand that it is entirely possible to like the policies of President Trump, and understand how to separate the necessity of those policies from the personality.

I don’t vote for who I think is a “nice guy”.

I don’t vote for who I think is the most Christian guy.

I don’t vote for people based on their Twitter feeds or any other social media activity.

I vote based on policies. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020, and if he runs, I would happily vote for him again in 2024.


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It's like separating the art from the artist. Even a left wing asshat can make outstanding music.

Exactly! Same goes for athletes, musicians, actors, and even those idiots who somehow end up famous for absolutely no reason at all. It is entirely possible to enjoy and see quality in what they bring to the table without adopting this silly notion that you agree with 100% of everything they say and do.

The left created this ridiculous cult of personality and broad stroke painting everyone into 100% of everything, and it’s just not a healthy way to operate as a society.


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Gonna be hard for any R to win w/ the electoral map the way it is. Just run Trump & have him go down as a martyr, & pray the R's take the Senate & House this fall & can stop the bleeding that way.

They will attack whoever runs. Trump survived. The next guy may not.

One thing is certain. Whoever runs will be the new evil, greedy, racist, sexist, homophobe, radical Christian dictator candidate. If THAT is the reason you don't want Trump, it's a bad reason. That's going to happen regardless.

(07-16-2022 09:13 PM)Claw Wrote:  They will attack whoever runs. Trump survived. The next guy may not.

One thing is certain. Whoever runs will be the new evil, greedy, racist, sexist, homophobe, radical Christian dictator candidate. If THAT is the reason you don't want Trump, it's a bad reason. That's going to happen regardless.

Guys, this isn’t complicated.

The Republican candidate is going to be vilified. Of all the names being bandied about as possible Republican nominees in 2024, Trump is the LEAST equipped to deal with underhanded political attacks.

Rewatch the first debate in 2020 if you have any doubt about that.

(07-16-2022 06:02 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder if some anti-Trumpers will ever understand that it is entirely possible to like the policies of President Trump, and understand how to separate the necessity of those policies from the personality.

I don’t vote for who I think is a “nice guy”.

I don’t vote for who I think is the most Christian guy.

I don’t vote for people based on their Twitter feeds or any other social media activity.

I vote based on policies. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020, and if he runs, I would happily vote for him again in 2024.

B_Hawk's post above is where I am at. I look at the two candidates, observe their stated positions on key policies and vote whoever is closest to MY POSITIONS. Of course, my positions lean fairly conservative.

Regardless if the Dem nominee is Biden* or Harris, I will vote Republican in 2024. I will not waste it on any 3rd party individual.

Trump was born 6/14/46 and Boden* was born 11/20/42. If Trump runs again and wins, he will be 78 in 2024....the same age Biden* was back in 2020. The good news is Trump does NOT any sign of memory impairment or Alzheimer's.....yet.

What is interesting is this NYT article poll on Biden*'s performance as well as how voters view him. A summary of the key points:
64% of Dem voters prefer another person to lead the ticket
1. Only 26% of Dem voters want Biden* to run again in 2024
2. Over 75% of all voters don't like current direction of the USA
3. Only 13% of all voters think the country is going in the right direction
4. Only 6% of working age voters (18-64) think the economy is good or excellent
5. 70% of Dems approve of Biden*'s performance
6. 68% of independents disapprove of Biden*'s performance
7. The vast majority of Republicans disapprove of Biden*'s performance
8. White voters w/o a college degree support Biden* 20%
9. Black voters as a group support Biden* 62%
10. In a hypothetical rematch between Biden* and Trump in 2024, Biden* was the pick 44 - 41%

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/po...-2024.html

(07-17-2022 10:58 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 06:02 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder if some anti-Trumpers will ever understand that it is entirely possible to like the policies of President Trump, and understand how to separate the necessity of those policies from the personality.

I don’t vote for who I think is a “nice guy”.

I don’t vote for who I think is the most Christian guy.

I don’t vote for people based on their Twitter feeds or any other social media activity.

I vote based on policies. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020, and if he runs, I would happily vote for him again in 2024.

B_Hawk's post above is where I am at. I look at the two candidates, observe their stated positions on key policies and vote whoever is closest to MY POSITIONS. Of course, my positions lean fairly conservative.

Regardless if the Dem nominee is Biden* or Harris, I will vote Republican in 2024. I will not waste it on any 3rd party individual.

Trump was born 6/14/46 and Boden* was born 11/20/42. If Trump runs again and wins, he will be 78 in 2024....the same age Biden* was back in 2020. The good news is Trump does NOT any sign of memory impairment or Alzheimer's.....yet.

What is interesting is this NYT article poll on Biden*'s performance as well as how voters view him. A summary of the key points:
64% of Dem voters prefer another person to lead the ticket
1. Only 26% of Dem voters want Biden* to run again in 2024
2. Over 75% of all voters don't like current direction of the USA
3. Only 13% of all voters think the country is going in the right direction
4. Only 6% of working age voters (18-64) think the economy is good or excellent
5. 70% of Dems approve of Biden*'s performance
6. 68% of independents disapprove of Biden*'s performance
7. The vast majority of Republicans disapprove of Biden*'s performance
8. White voters w/o a college degree support Biden* 20%
9. Black voters as a group support Biden* 62%
10. In a hypothetical rematch between Biden* and Trump in 2024, Biden* was the pick 44 - 41%

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/po...-2024.html

right now, they're grooming newsome ... hill-lair-liar isn't going to happen....

however, don't underestimate the power of moo-moo-chelle coming in to 'save the day' ... that's the one I'm betting on as a last ditch attempt ...

AM, you got the “simple” part wrong. The question really is: Should DJT run again, and enough folks like yourself do NOT vote for him, are you willing to accept where this country will be and the policies that will be cemented by 2028?

You’re OK with whatever comes as long as he’s not elected. If so, you’re really not conservative at all, you’re no better than a Redditor or a normal Twitter user.

(07-17-2022 11:49 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  AM, you got the “simple” part wrong. The question really is: Should DJT run again, and enough folks like yourself do NOT vote for him, are you willing to accept where this country will be and the policies that will be cemented by 2028?

You’re OK with whatever comes as long as he’s not elected. If so, you’re really not conservative at all, you’re no better than a Redditor or a normal Twitter user.

I used the word “simple” because I didn’t want to scare off the majority of the posters on this forum. Ones who, like your post here, assume that my deep disdain for Donald Trump as a miserable person means that I will not vote for him if he is the Republican nominee in 2024. I will, just as I voted for him in 2020 despite knowing that he was in the process of throwing away a winnable election with his over-confident antics. (You are welcome to search my posting history for Oct./Nov., 2020 if you have some doubt about that.)

I used the word “simple” because too many posters have no meaningful response to the multiple examples of Donald Trump’s unbelievable political choke in 2020. They instead default to the unprovable claim that the election was stolen - - as if that somehow means that we now owe him our unquestioned allegiance in 2024. That election may very well have been stolen. But if it was it happened on his watch.

I use the word “simple” because the question is exactly as you’ve framed it: “ Should DJT run again?” And the very concerning answer is also exactly as you’ve stated: I am convinced that lots of folks who should know better will NOT vote for him in 2024. Because of who he is and because of how he insists on behaving. It happened in 2020 and is likely to happen again in 2024.

None of this is complicated - - at least not unless your brain is wired to never under any circumstance admit to the only correct answer to your question: Donald Trump should NOT run again in 2024.

He didn't choke, but he was likely in the driver's seat till the race riots started. Once they did, he was in trouble.

(07-17-2022 12:47 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-17-2022 11:49 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  AM, you got the “simple” part wrong. The question really is: Should DJT run again, and enough folks like yourself do NOT vote for him, are you willing to accept where this country will be and the policies that will be cemented by 2028?

You’re OK with whatever comes as long as he’s not elected. If so, you’re really not conservative at all, you’re no better than a Redditor or a normal Twitter user.

I used the word “simple” because I didn’t want to scare off the majority of the posters on this forum. Ones who, like your post here, assume that my deep disdain for Donald Trump as a miserable person means that I will not vote for him if he is the Republican nominee in 2024. I will, just as I voted for him in 2020 despite knowing that he was in the process of throwing away a winnable election with his over-confident antics. (You are welcome to search my posting history for Oct./Nov., 2020 if you have some doubt about that.)

I used the word “simple” because too many posters have no meaningful response to the multiple examples of Donald Trump’s unbelievable political choke in 2020. They instead default to the unprovable claim that the election was stolen - - as if that somehow means that we now owe him our unquestioned allegiance in 2024. That election may very well have been stolen. But if it was it happened on his watch.

I use the word “simple” because the question is exactly as you’ve framed it: “ Should DJT run again?” And the very concerning answer is also exactly as you’ve stated: I am convinced that lots of folks who should know better will NOT vote for him in 2024. Because of who he is and because of how he insists on behaving. It happened in 2020 and is likely to happen again in 2024.

None of this is complicated - - at least not unless your brain is wired to never under any circumstance admit to the only correct answer to your question: Donald Trump should NOT run again in 2024.

They used to have a term "YELLOW DOG DEMOCRATS", meaning voting Democrat no matter what because grandad always voted Democrat. What do they call people who are Trump supporters?