Quote:Stop me if you’ve heard this story before. Republican establishment figures don’t get their way in a primary and promptly run to the liberal media to express how winnable races will now be lost, costing the GOP an electoral victory.

You’ve almost certainly heard it before because it’s exactly what happened in 2016 as the consultant class rushed to proclaim that Donald Trump simply couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton. He wasn’t going to just lose. He was going to be crushed, they said. Of course, he did win, going on to appoint three Supreme Court justices that recently delivered a multitude of long-sought decisions, including the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

No lessons were learned, though. The same establishment of Republican leadership, consultants, and pollsters are already looking to throw in the towel on November’s mid-terms. And to make matters more absurd, they told this story to Axios, a liberal rag.

Top Republicans, once confident about winning control of the Senate in the midterms, fear they’ll blow it after nominating several deeply flawed candidates in winnable states, according to conversations with GOP strategists, pollsters and other officials…

…”The environment is excellent for us. We just can’t fumble the ball on the five-yard line,” Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), a top McConnell lieutenant, told Axios…

What’s happening: In several crucial Senate races, polling, fundraising and news coverage tell a similar story. The Republicans are on the defensive rather than surfing the national wave of dissatisfaction with Democrats.

It’s all just so tiring. I understand the notion that GOP primary voters didn’t select the best candidates, and some of Donald Trump’s endorsements were selfish and moronic. Still, the situation is what it is. This is not the time to run to the liberal media to express frustrations, signaling weakness. It’s the time to buck up, take the reins of the horse you’ve got, and do what it takes to win.

Herschel Walker is only down three points in the latest poll, with Brian Kemp up seven. That means there’s an easy path to get Walker over the finish line. Even Mehmet Oz, who many reading this opposed during the primary, has a rather simple path to victory. There is no reason to be talking defeat or “fumbling” anything in July before a mid-term. Do you want to do a post-mortem? Then wait for the deaths to occur first, and do everything you can in the meantime to prevent them.

But as usual, the establishment class seems to care more about being able to say they were right than actually winning and delivering for voters. Like it or not, primary voters chose who they chose. That isn’t going to change. The candidates are the candidates. My rule has always been that once the primaries are over, you roll with what you’ve got.

Giving up on Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona would be moronic. It would be throwing in the towel while leading by multiple touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Who cares what the polling says? Every cycle since 2014 has severely underestimated Republicans in Senate races. Play to win, not to be “right.” The GOP establishment would be smart to do that, including the donor class that is needed to fund these campaigns.

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Because most Republican strategists and pollsters are democrats and most Republican establishment senators are on the same team as democrats in principle on Government control

Whatevs.

Establishment in both parties are by and large the same idiots with their hands in the till. They accept donations from the same pool. They get worked up over a couple pet issues to keep the bases at bay but by and large there isn't much difference between a Dick Durban and the Turtle on the majority of issues.

#1 reason Trump freaked them all out and still does. He wasn't part of the exclusive club and he threatened the political aristocratic class since he wasn't beholden to any of them...or their handlers.

Stacy's a poor candidate for Georgia, even w/ it trending blue. One last hurrah for a red Georgia. That can carry Walker.

Oz is a poor candidate in a purple/blueish state, but the Republican voters there picked him.

I don't know enough about the AZ candidates.

Screw the establishment. What the hell have they done? Bend over and spread’m for liberals?

They can either get on board or GTFO of the way. If they try to stop what’s gonna happen, they get run over. Americans are tired of the two party, same coin, one message BS in DC.

We’re done.

If they want to see a real insurrection let the spineless leaders of the Republican Party throw in with the enemy. If they do we will show them no quarter. They will be treated like the treasonous sacks of sh*t they are.

Ropes work as well for RINO’s as they do for Leftist traders.

(07-15-2022 03:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Stacy's a poor candidate for Georgia, even w/ it trending blue. One last hurrah for a red Georgia. That can carry Walker.

Stacey Abrams used to be poor, but she’s very rich now. And I agree she will lose, probably by a lot. That won’t help Herschel Walker, who is running against Raphael Warnock for the Senate.

Walker is not a terrible candidate, but historically (for D’s and R’s alike), the whole point of nominating a “celebrity” candidate is that they are able to run above the party’s baseline %. That does not seem to be the case for Walker, so far. We’ll see.

Quote:Oz is a poor candidate in a purple/blueish state, but *about 31% of * the Republican voters there picked him.

I will never understand why political parties don’t require a run-off to ensure their nominees are acceptable to their own members.

Primary voters have realized electing RINO's is not only useless when it comes to moving the conservative agenda forward---its actually COUNTER PRODUCTIVE (see Liz Cheny or Mitt Romney as examples). Republicans have stopped nominating candidates they dont much like simply because they are told they can win----and have instead started working to make sure candidates they actually LIKE can get elected.

(07-15-2022 02:34 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whatevs.

Establishment in both parties are by and large the same idiots with their hands in the till. They accept donations from the same pool. They get worked up over a couple pet issues to keep the bases at bay but by and large there isn't much difference between a Dick Durban and the Turtle on the majority of issues.

#1 reason Trump freaked them all out and still does. He wasn't part of the exclusive club and he threatened the political aristocratic class since he wasn't beholden to any of them...or their handlers.

(07-15-2022 04:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 03:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Stacy's a poor candidate for Georgia, even w/ it trending blue. One last hurrah for a red Georgia. That can carry Walker.

Stacey Abrams used to be poor, but she’s very rich now. And I agree she will lose, probably by a lot. That won’t help Herschel Walker, who is running against Raphael Warnock for the Senate.

Walker is not a terrible candidate, but historically (for D’s and R’s alike), the whole point of nominating a “celebrity” candidate is that they are able to run above the party’s baseline %. That does not seem to be the case for Walker, so far. We’ll see.

Quote:Oz is a poor candidate in a purple/blueish state, but *about 31% of * the Republican voters there picked him.

I will never understand why political parties don’t require a run-off to ensure their nominees are acceptable to their own members.

With Walker and Warnock, Walker may very well be behind………or it could be biased leftist media with their thumbs on the scale again? I mean, how many times have we seen that happen?

(07-15-2022 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Screw the establishment. What the hell have they done? Bend over and spread’m for liberals?

They can either get on board or GTFO of the way. If they try to stop what’s gonna happen, they get run over. Americans are tired of the two party, same coin, one message BS in DC.

We’re done.

If they want to see a real insurrection let the spineless leaders of the Republican Party throw in with the enemy. If they do we will show them no quarter. They will be treated like the treasonous sacks of sh*t they are.

Ropes work as well for RINO’s as they do for Leftist traders.

I’m with you 100%!! I’m so sick of McConnell types I’d like nothing more than to throw them in the Ohio river……or Kentucky River - whichever is more handy.

(07-15-2022 07:10 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 04:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 03:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  One last hurrah for a red Georgia. That can carry Walker.

Walker is not a terrible candidate, but historically (for D’s and R’s alike), the whole point of nominating a “celebrity” candidate is that they are able to run above the party’s baseline %. That does not seem to be the case for Walker, so far. We’ll see.

With Walker and Warnock, Walker may very well be behind………or it could be biased leftist media with their thumbs on the scale again? I mean, how many times have we seen that happen?

@Crebman: all true.

From having voted in Georgia for past 30 years, my honest sense of it is that Walker is ahead by 1 or 2 points. And I think he’ll win by 3 or 4. But if Walker were a strong candidate, he would have the same lead that Kemp has over Abrams. *So far*, he hasn’t shown that kind of strength.

(07-15-2022 07:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 07:10 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 04:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2022 03:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  One last hurrah for a red Georgia. That can carry Walker.

Walker is not a terrible candidate, but historically (for D’s and R’s alike), the whole point of nominating a “celebrity” candidate is that they are able to run above the party’s baseline %. That does not seem to be the case for Walker, so far. We’ll see.

With Walker and Warnock, Walker may very well be behind………or it could be biased leftist media with their thumbs on the scale again? I mean, how many times have we seen that happen?

@Crebman: all true.

From having voted in Georgia for past 30 years, my honest sense of it is that Walker is ahead by 1 or 2 points. And I think he’ll win by 3 or 4. But if Walker were a strong candidate, he would have the same lead that Kemp has over Abrams. *So far*, he hasn’t shown that kind of strength.

the rest of us on the outside are simply saying (begging), "please get out and VOTE for Mr. Walker!"

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