(07-14-2022 09:56 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:43 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:19 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Ood that you won't say...

odd that you care

Just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from. With all his posts, I was shocked that he said he goes to church. If someone has his beliefs, it doesn't compute that he attends a Christian/Protestant church.

It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

I wasn't aware that the mods were against religious talk on this forum. If so, my bad.

Just curious. And, I agree that we should not force our religious beliefs on others. I'm with you on that.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-917256.html

(07-13-2022 02:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 01:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 12:12 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  The passion Democrats have for murdering babies is unrivaled.

If they had the same passion for helping the American people, this country would be in much better shape.

Same if pro-lifers gave a **** about the babies after they were born.

This is a false narrative. Christians foster and adopt at twice the rate of non-religious people.

(07-14-2022 07:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

What kind of regulations do they need?

They provide emotional and material support to pregnant women

When they start doing ultrasounds, etc.

Is an ultrasound a medical procedure?

I'd classify it as a non invasive diagnostic test.

How are those currently regulated?

As one of the other threads noted the vast majority of the states don't require a license to do an ultrasound.

You put the jelly on the belly and let the machine show you the results

(07-14-2022 10:25 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 02:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 01:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 12:12 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  The passion Democrats have for murdering babies is unrivaled.

If they had the same passion for helping the American people, this country would be in much better shape.

Same if pro-lifers gave a **** about the babies after they were born.

This is a false narrative. Christians foster and adopt at twice the rate of non-religious people.

Dude, I was being a tad hyperbolic. I was more referring to the GOP position on most social programs designed to help poor families.

(07-14-2022 10:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 07:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

What kind of regulations do they need?

They provide emotional and material support to pregnant women

When they start doing ultrasounds, etc.

Is an ultrasound a medical procedure?

I'd classify it as a non invasive diagnostic test.

How are those currently regulated?

As one of the other threads noted the vast majority of the states don't require a license to do an ultrasound.

You put the jelly on the belly and let the machine show you the results

Yeah, I get that, but when my wife was pregnant, we went to an actual doctor for one, not some van out in the street. And the shady places, don't just show you an image. The issue is that people with means don't usually end up at these places. It's often the vulnerable who can be easily manipulated by bad actors. I'm not asking for onerous regulations, but at least some basics would be a good start!

(07-14-2022 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:56 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:43 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  odd that you care

Just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from. With all his posts, I was shocked that he said he goes to church. If someone has his beliefs, it doesn't compute that he attends a Christian/Protestant church.

It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

I wasn't aware that the mods were against religious talk on this forum. If so, my bad.

Just curious. And, I agree that we should not force our religious beliefs on others. I'm with you on that.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-917256.html

It was already established by a mod that religion could be discussed in abortion threads as the 2 issues are basically inseparable.

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 08:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Just like EVERY OTHER thing in the entire world.... From politics, to banking to religion and everything in between.


The answer is not SHUT IT DOWN. Pocahontas is basically playing tit-for-tat making that f-ing ridiculous statement.

She is nothing more than a Vindictive moron as well.

Nowhere did I say that they all should be shut down. Move along.

She did and you are making excuses for her - Move along.

(07-14-2022 11:03 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 08:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Just like EVERY OTHER thing in the entire world.... From politics, to banking to religion and everything in between.


The answer is not SHUT IT DOWN. Pocahontas is basically playing tit-for-tat making that f-ing ridiculous statement.

She is nothing more than a Vindictive moron as well.

Nowhere did I say that they all should be shut down. Move along.

She did and you are making excuses for her - Move along.

Yeah, and? Not making any excuses. She's wrong, they all don't need to be shut down.

(07-14-2022 09:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:45 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Oh, you mean like those bad actors that were making money selling the aborted fetuses?

Oh, you mean that thing that never happened?
https://oversight.house.gov/planned-pare...-v-fiction

There are legal tissue donation programs that do provide compensation for the process of transferring the tissue. I'm not aware of anyone actually charged with any crimes in this area. But if you are aware, please cite the court case.

You mean since man made laws suffice for you doesn’t mean it’s not disgusting and repulsive and malignant. Go explain to your church how you are for dismembering fetuses for tissue because it fits in the confines of man made laws.

Bill & Hillary have never been charged with all the wrong doings they commit so they are acceptable to you as well.

Sin sleaze and filth are the world you embrace. May God have mercy on this country.

(07-14-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

This is a sensible position to take on a difficult issue. I agree 100%

(07-14-2022 03:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:45 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Oh, you mean like those bad actors that were making money selling the aborted fetuses?

Oh, you mean that thing that never happened?
https://oversight.house.gov/planned-pare...-v-fiction

There are legal tissue donation programs that do provide compensation for the process of transferring the tissue. I'm not aware of anyone actually charged with any crimes in this area. But if you are aware, please cite the court case.

You mean since man made laws suffice for you doesn’t mean it’s not disgusting and repulsive and malignant. Go explain to your church how you are for dismembering fetuses for tissue because it fits in the confines of man made laws.

Bill & Hillary have never been charged with all the wrong doings they commit so they are acceptable to you as well.

Sin sleaze and filth are the world you embrace. May God have mercy on this country.

WTF are you babbling about?? Bill and Hillary???

And I don't want one abortion to occur. But I have NO control over whether one happens. I'm completely at peace. Move along.

But I did notice that you failed to provide any source for your claim. Was that an oversight?

(07-13-2022 07:30 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 03:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 02:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 01:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 12:12 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  The passion Democrats have for murdering babies is unrivaled.

If they had the same passion for helping the American people, this country would be in much better shape.

Same if pro-lifers gave a **** about the babies after they were born.

That's one of the biggest lies of this entire issue. Christians are the most pro life of all and do more to support the poor and their children than almost anyone.

And of course no genuine Christian on this earth would post that obvious lie.

I would say you should be ashamed of yourself for posting it but who am I kidding? You don't experience shame or even know what it is.

He should know better than to make such an idiotic claim. I know of multiple churches within just a few miles of me, mine included, that run free lunch days, free used clothing shops, free tutoring, etc. Mine even offers free haircuts on the last Saturday of every month. We do all kinds of outreach locally. The other day we did a "free first $20 in gas" drive for anybody that needed it at a local gas station. I just saw a sign a few days ago at another church that offers free produce for the needy.

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Leftist clowns must not realize why there are so many religiously named hospitals across country.... as well as, religiously backed shelters and programs for the undeserved.

They have Planned freaking Parenthood....

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(07-14-2022 05:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 03:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:45 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Oh, you mean like those bad actors that were making money selling the aborted fetuses?

Oh, you mean that thing that never happened?
https://oversight.house.gov/planned-pare...-v-fiction

There are legal tissue donation programs that do provide compensation for the process of transferring the tissue. I'm not aware of anyone actually charged with any crimes in this area. But if you are aware, please cite the court case.

You mean since man made laws suffice for you doesn’t mean it’s not disgusting and repulsive and malignant. Go explain to your church how you are for dismembering fetuses for tissue because it fits in the confines of man made laws.

Bill & Hillary have never been charged with all the wrong doings they commit so they are acceptable to you as well.

Sin sleaze and filth are the world you embrace. May God have mercy on this country.

WTF are you babbling about?? Bill and Hillary???

And I don't want one abortion to occur. But I have NO control over whether one happens. I'm completely at peace. Move along.

But I did notice that you failed to provide any source for your claim. Was that an oversight?

You know exactly what I’m talking about you two faced lying hypocrite.

(07-14-2022 05:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 05:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 03:43 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:45 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Oh, you mean like those bad actors that were making money selling the aborted fetuses?

Oh, you mean that thing that never happened?
https://oversight.house.gov/planned-pare...-v-fiction

There are legal tissue donation programs that do provide compensation for the process of transferring the tissue. I'm not aware of anyone actually charged with any crimes in this area. But if you are aware, please cite the court case.

You mean since man made laws suffice for you doesn’t mean it’s not disgusting and repulsive and malignant. Go explain to your church how you are for dismembering fetuses for tissue because it fits in the confines of man made laws.

Bill & Hillary have never been charged with all the wrong doings they commit so they are acceptable to you as well.

Sin sleaze and filth are the world you embrace. May God have mercy on this country.

WTF are you babbling about?? Bill and Hillary???

And I don't want one abortion to occur. But I have NO control over whether one happens. I'm completely at peace. Move along.

But I did notice that you failed to provide any source for your claim. Was that an oversight?

You know exactly what I’m talking about you two faced lying hypocrite.

He swears he's a Christian on one post, then its "WTF!", "JFC!" in the next as he fights to the death for every Godless progressive position on earth.

He's the biggest 2 faced liar on this entire site.

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(07-14-2022 04:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

This is a sensible position to take on a difficult issue. I agree 100%

It's important to understand our Founder's architected a government that is made up of religiously moral people.

Quote:We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.

Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.

- John Adams


They insisted that religion and morality should not be separated from each other.

Quote:Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

- George Washington


They also stated that schools should be established to instill those beliefs in each generation of citizens.

Quote: Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

- Northwest Ordinance of 1787, Section 14, Article 3

(07-15-2022 06:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 04:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

This is a sensible position to take on a difficult issue. I agree 100%

It's important to understand our Founder's architected a government that is made up of religiously moral people.

Quote:We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.

Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.

- John Adams


They insisted that religion and morality should not be separated from each other.

Quote:Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

- George Washington

It cannot because no matter how
They also stated that schools should be established to instill those beliefs in each generation of citizens.

Quote: Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

- Northwest Ordinance of 1787, Section 14, Article 3

It simply cannot be. The Bible is the moral compass of every Christian. Those who refute Judeo Christian values are left to surmise their own set of morals. As anyone who has lived on this earth for any amount of time knows man can and will justify anything and everything to fit his needs.

Therefore when religion is removed from the equation so are morals. It then becomes a means to justify an ends.

Tommy thinks he’s the man with two faces and that is acceptable to him. Know this, all secrets will be uncovered, the truth will be exposed, and HIS thoughts about every action and behavior will be vindicated. What is done in a dark hidden corner will come to light.