(07-03-2022 06:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 05:50 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 02:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 12:34 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  [quote='OrangeDude' pid='18303550' dateline='1656866285']
After the proxy war between ESPN and FOX is over and the SEC and B1G have taken those ACC programs they desire - Who remains in the conference? Is there value in the history of the ACC? Will the B12 just absorb the ones they want from the left behinds further diluting the viability of an ACC?

I seriously believe that the B12 despite losing their two main brands are actually in a better position than the ACC is at this moment in time. They can act. While the GOR may temporarily save the ACC for the time being I believe it also stifles the ACC's ability to make moves outside the longest of long shots of trying to entice ND to join full which they will decline, respectfully of course.

And if somehow the ACC does choose to act what does it have to offer programs from the PAC 12? The very fact these programs know that the best of the ACC are being eyed by both the SEC and the B1G screams instability. Whereas the Big 12 seems less likely to be poached further outside of maybe Kansas. I think PAC 12 leftovers will choose to join a conference that appears more stable and is closer geographically over the ACC even if they are offered.

The Big 12 programs the ACC might have sent invitations to join the league - West Virginia, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and perhaps Houston? TCU? Oklahoma State? Of course for any of this to have a shot the ACC would need to show it's stable and convince ESPN to increase conference money on a level above Big 12 since how likely is it that any expansion target accepts an invitation under the present circumstances? But ESPN money is apparently focused on getting ND into the SEC. Surprise, surprise.

So what actually is the future of the ACC and what should they be doing? I think the immediate future is try, try, try to get Notre Dame to join. Other than that perhaps reach out to WVU and Cincy at least? If the Big 12 is shown to have weakness it perhaps helps the ACC look more stable than it actually is???

Again, as a Syracuse fan I am now used to being on the losing side of conference realignment and on the winning side as well. "This too shall pass" and "It will be what it will be" are my go to sentiments as well as...

Cheers,
Neil

the current acc contract with espn is at or slightly above the big 12 especially after factoring in texas and oklahoma being gone in 2024 and the likely small bump we got for letting espn decide some of annual rivalry games with going divisionless.The pac 12 is going to have its valuable bones picked by the big 10 and possibly the sec

There is only 1 PAC 12 school which has even the remotest of chances to get an SEC invitation, Colorado, and then only if Kansas is added and Texas is in favor (which I think they would be) and only if no ACC school more preferable was available. The Big 10 is the great white shark here, which if ND joins, will circle back for Oregon and Washington (the 2 most valuable PAC properties / USC & UCLA being 3rd and 4th) and then for ND's likely choice Stanford (which is 6th most valuable behind Arizona St. which is not AAU).

Only when the shark is finished feeding will anyone seriously consider the Big 12 and then after testing the SEC. When the 5 I mentioned are taken the PAC's total remaining value will be only 45% of what it was.

People need to look at what has happened in this way:
The SEC took Oklahoma and Texas / 54% of the Big 12's total value.
The B1G will do the same with 5 PAC schools / 55% of total value and those 5 together roughly equal Notre Dame.
When the ACC is raided Louisville, Clemson, FSU, Virginia Tech and North Carolina will be taken which is 50.3% of the total value of 14 full members. Miami, Georgia Tech, NC State and UVa will likely go as well, which is another 30.3%. With 9 schools raiders scoop 80.6% of the ACC's value.

Only then will the Big 12 scoop the rest of the PAC 12 and ACC.

This my friends is not how conference commissioners think. This is CEO board room hostile takeover acquisitions 101.

The SEC and B1G are merely proxies of FOX and ESPN and Orange Dude (aka Omniorange) lays it out perfectly. An old song comes to mind, "No Place to Run to Baby and No Place to Hide." Which is precisely why every ACC school needs to agree to dissolve only if FOX and ESPN places all 14 members granting access to post season play in what could be a rebuilt Big 12 in a new P3. Such a Big 12 should pay more than any of their future members make now.

It is what takeovers can do when they get cooperation legally.
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I understand what you are saying, I just don't see the acc schools leaving at this junction besides maybe fsu and clemson and 1/2 member ND, the GOR has yet to be challenged in court and we are under that agreement for many years to come at lots of money. The sec and Bigten will pick through the big 12 and pac 12 to get to 18 or 20 for now. Then in a decade or so they will go to 24 each by taking the acc schools of choice

Why give those spots to the PAC & B12 if ACC schools can get them now? Also, if you are going anyway then why wait & leave a ton of $ on the table? Dissolve the ACC & the GOR problem goes away.

its going to costly to get enough of the acc teams homes to vote to dissolve the acc and GOR that's why i think its 11 of 14 would have to be selected to vote to dissolve

(07-03-2022 06:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps a compromise for a P2 +2. ND buys its way out of the GOR & goes to the B1G with Stanford, Oregon & Washington. FSU, Clemson, NC & Virginia buy their out of the GOR & join the SEC, putting both at 20. The ACC adds Cincinnati, UCF, WV & Houston. While the ACC loses value it still has value & the ACCN. The B12 & PAC merge. ACC stays at 14 & keeps its 3-5-5 format.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Central
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

North: ND, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana

East: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Nwestern

SEC
West: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri

Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State

East: FSU, Clemson, SC, NC, Virginia

South: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky

Big14
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Oregon St, Wash St, Colorado

East: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St

ACC
Miami, VT, GT, NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WF, Cincinnati, WV, UCF, Houston

Looking at it, I would rather have a 24 team P2 with a third than a P2 +2.


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If the Big Ten absorbs as many Pac-12 teams as people think, why wouldn't the ACC do the same? So you end up with tier 1 (B1G and SEC), tier 2 (ACC) tier 3 (whatever FBS is left), all breaking away...

Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?


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(07-03-2022 07:43 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps a compromise for a P2 +2. ND buys its way out of the GOR & goes to the B1G with Stanford, Oregon & Washington. FSU, Clemson, NC & Virginia buy their out of the GOR & join the SEC, putting both at 20. The ACC adds Cincinnati, UCF, WV & Houston. While the ACC loses value it still has value & the ACCN. The B12 & PAC merge. ACC stays at 14 & keeps its 3-5-5 format.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Central
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

North: ND, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana

East: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Nwestern

SEC
West: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri

Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State

East: FSU, Clemson, SC, NC, Virginia

South: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky

Big14
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Oregon St, Wash St, Colorado

East: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St

ACC
Miami, VT, GT, NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WF, Cincinnati, WV, UCF, Houston

Looking at it, I would rather have a 24 team P2 with a third than a P2 +2.


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I actually like this set-up but the Lesser 2 separate rather than combined as you mentioned might be your preference at the end.

It's as good a model that I have seen so far. Hope both the B1G and the SEC are willing to stop at 20 until at least 2028.

Cheers,
Neil

You be right, that 14 team ACC could easily grow on me. My concern is that it has a chance to be #4. Also I left out Cal. Maybe they replace BYU or one of the states?


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I think we are getting close to seeing some universities drop football entirely. Or we may see others intentionally downgrade their programs and stop chasing the dollars.

Personally I am ready for the ACC to let the football only teams like Clemson and FSU leave if they so choose to go chase whatever it is they are looking for and to then backfill with likeminded east coast universities.

I simply have no interest in a P2 aka NFL-lite, minor league.

(07-03-2022 09:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps a compromise for a P2 +2. ND buys its way out of the GOR & goes to the B1G with Stanford, Oregon & Washington. FSU, Clemson, NC & Virginia buy their out of the GOR & join the SEC, putting both at 20. The ACC adds Cincinnati, UCF, WV & Houston. While the ACC loses value it still has value & the ACCN. The B12 & PAC merge. ACC stays at 14 & keeps its 3-5-5 format.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Central
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

North: ND, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana

East: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Nwestern

SEC
West: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri

Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State

East: FSU, Clemson, SC, NC, Virginia

South: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky

Big14
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Oregon St, Wash St, Colorado

East: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St

ACC
Miami, VT, GT, NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WF, Cincinnati, WV, UCF, Houston

Looking at it, I would rather have a 24 team P2 with a third than a P2 +2.


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If the Big Ten absorbs as many Pac-12 teams as people think, why wouldn't the ACC do the same? So you end up with tier 1 (B1G and SEC), tier 2 (ACC) tier 3 (whatever FBS is left), all breaking away...

Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?

Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps a compromise for a P2 +2. ND buys its way out of the GOR & goes to the B1G with Stanford, Oregon & Washington. FSU, Clemson, NC & Virginia buy their out of the GOR & join the SEC, putting both at 20. The ACC adds Cincinnati, UCF, WV & Houston. While the ACC loses value it still has value & the ACCN. The B12 & PAC merge. ACC stays at 14 & keeps its 3-5-5 format.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Central
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

North: ND, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana

East: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Nwestern

SEC
West: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri

Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State

East: FSU, Clemson, SC, NC, Virginia

South: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky

Big14
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Oregon St, Wash St, Colorado

East: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St

ACC
Miami, VT, GT, NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WF, Cincinnati, WV, UCF, Houston

Looking at it, I would rather have a 24 team P2 with a third than a P2 +2.


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If the Big Ten absorbs as many Pac-12 teams as people think, why wouldn't the ACC do the same? So you end up with tier 1 (B1G and SEC), tier 2 (ACC) tier 3 (whatever FBS is left), all breaking away...

Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?

Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

West Virginia fans would give their last tooth to join the ACC.
I suspect a lot of Big XII fans would like to see their team make that jump, tbh.

(07-04-2022 05:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps a compromise for a P2 +2. ND buys its way out of the GOR & goes to the B1G with Stanford, Oregon & Washington. FSU, Clemson, NC & Virginia buy their out of the GOR & join the SEC, putting both at 20. The ACC adds Cincinnati, UCF, WV & Houston. While the ACC loses value it still has value & the ACCN. The B12 & PAC merge. ACC stays at 14 & keeps its 3-5-5 format.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Central
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

North: ND, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana

East: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Nwestern

SEC
West: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri

Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State

East: FSU, Clemson, SC, NC, Virginia

South: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky

Big14
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Oregon St, Wash St, Colorado

East: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St

ACC
Miami, VT, GT, NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WF, Cincinnati, WV, UCF, Houston

Looking at it, I would rather have a 24 team P2 with a third than a P2 +2.


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If the Big Ten absorbs as many Pac-12 teams as people think, why wouldn't the ACC do the same? So you end up with tier 1 (B1G and SEC), tier 2 (ACC) tier 3 (whatever FBS is left), all breaking away...

Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?

Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

West Virginia fans would give their last tooth to join the ACC.
I suspect a lot of Big XII fans would like to see their team make that jump, tbh.

But what do they actually due for the ACC beside bloat it? If they add revenue/value, why haven’t they been invited already? They would, however, make good replacements.

(07-04-2022 07:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 05:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If the Big Ten absorbs as many Pac-12 teams as people think, why wouldn't the ACC do the same? So you end up with tier 1 (B1G and SEC), tier 2 (ACC) tier 3 (whatever FBS is left), all breaking away...

Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?

Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

West Virginia fans would give their last tooth to join the ACC.
I suspect a lot of Big XII fans would like to see their team make that jump, tbh.

But what do they actually due for the ACC beside bloat it? If they add revenue/value, why haven’t they been invited already?


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Stubborn University Presidents who find themselves in crisis mode and are just now pulling their heads out of the sand .

Call me crazy, but I think getting left behind will be a blessing in disguise. The P2 will set their own rules, but so can the T2 (Tier 2) conferences (Big 12/Pac/ACC). We'll be able to crown a national champion of our own which sets the table for programs like Cincinnati, Arizona, Colorado, TCU, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, and so on. This will be very competitive as such programs separate themselves from the pack. The P2 will obviously get the bulk of the 5* and 4* prospects, but those programs already are. The T2 national championship won't carry the same aura that the P2 will; however, a banner is a banner; no different that 6A or 5A in HS football. Sure it's very much watered down that wouldn't happen if the P2 wouldn't split away, but it is what it is. A championship is a championship.

(07-04-2022 07:26 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 07:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 05:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?

Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

West Virginia fans would give their last tooth to join the ACC.
I suspect a lot of Big XII fans would like to see their team make that jump, tbh.

But what do they actually due for the ACC beside bloat it? If they add revenue/value, why haven’t they been invited already?


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Stubborn University Presidents who find themselves in crisis mode and are just now pulling their heads out of the sand .

Well the ACC is controlled by Tobacco Road.


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(07-04-2022 05:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:12 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 06:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Perhaps a compromise for a P2 +2. ND buys its way out of the GOR & goes to the B1G with Stanford, Oregon & Washington. FSU, Clemson, NC & Virginia buy their out of the GOR & join the SEC, putting both at 20. The ACC adds Cincinnati, UCF, WV & Houston. While the ACC loses value it still has value & the ACCN. The B12 & PAC merge. ACC stays at 14 & keeps its 3-5-5 format.

B1G
West: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Central
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

North: ND, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana

East: Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Purdue, Nwestern

SEC
West: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri

Central: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State

East: FSU, Clemson, SC, NC, Virginia

South: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky

Big14
West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Oregon St, Wash St, Colorado

East: TT, Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St

ACC
Miami, VT, GT, NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, WF, Cincinnati, WV, UCF, Houston

Looking at it, I would rather have a 24 team P2 with a third than a P2 +2.


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If the Big Ten absorbs as many Pac-12 teams as people think, why wouldn't the ACC do the same? So you end up with tier 1 (B1G and SEC), tier 2 (ACC) tier 3 (whatever FBS is left), all breaking away...

Several reasons. 1) Those PAC schools would be on a distant island, which creates problems. 2) Would that put the ACC on par with the B1G & SEC? Doubtful. 3) How long would that be sustainable? If the ACC does take in the PAC remnants then I will support it but what is the point if the top brands are going to leave anyway?

Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

West Virginia fans would give their last tooth to join the ACC.
I suspect a lot of Big XII fans would like to see their team make that jump, tbh.

I really think WVU, Cincinnati and UCF are the only ones who would consider it. Joining the ACC at this point only makes sense IF you would still be happy in the event you wake up in basically the old Big East + Wake Forest when the dust settles down the road. And depending on how things go, it could be missing some key pieces of the old BE like Miami and VA Tech while WF is the only addition that is virtually guaranteed. The CTZ schools I don't think would take that risk, they are more likely to look West to the future.

(07-04-2022 07:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 07:26 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 07:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 05:06 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Exactly, it's really better for everyone to sort this out now and move forward to a sustainable future. The ACC needs to meet and agree on a reasonable figure for release from the GoR in 2024-2025, when the XII & PAC GoRs expire. It should be large enough to be a real benefit for those who stay, but small enough that anyone who goes to the B1G or SEC will still be better off. Then we'll see who the B1G & SEC want, and who wants to go, from the ACC, XII and the PAC. Those who remain will then know exactly what the options are and can form the best possible new conferences together accordingly.

The only alternative I see is to continue this hostage situation. Swofford was the architect of this but he is long gone, leaving ACC members holding the bag and reaping the fallout when it comes. The Friday conference call was laughable, do you really think anyone other than G5 callups would join the ACC knowing that possibly half the conference is leaving at the first opportunity, which will arrive no later than 6/30/36?

West Virginia fans would give their last tooth to join the ACC.
I suspect a lot of Big XII fans would like to see their team make that jump, tbh.

But what do they actually due for the ACC beside bloat it? If they add revenue/value, why haven’t they been invited already?


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Stubborn University Presidents who find themselves in crisis mode and are just now pulling their heads out of the sand .

Well the ACC is controlled by Tobacco Road.


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How do the four North Carolina schools control the other eleven conference members?

(07-04-2022 02:19 PM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 07:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Well the ACC is controlled by Tobacco Road.

How do the four North Carolina schools control the other eleven conference members?

they did it by putting things they knew the expansion teams wouldn't agree with into the ACC constitution and requiring a super-majority to change it. Tobacco Road no longer needs a majority to get what they want, they just need enough votes to stop others from changing it.

That said, credit where it's due - Tobacco Road must have cooperated to eliminate divisions. Even if they did mess it up, at least it happened.

Now, about that bowl money distribution...

The ACC has 14 years until the Grant of Rights expires so that buys them some time to come up with a strategy to try and survive. They do have an opportunity as there are technology changes that are coming that will change the game a bit from what it has been. Currently, college football is king in terms of revenue as it is the number one sport in the US. College Football has zero popularity outside of the US. There are 330 million Americans but more than 6+ billion people in the world. Technology changes for content delivery are moving to IP Network streaming (like Netfix, Amazon, Apple TV) so the possibility of expanding to the rest of the world are a possibility. If I were the ACC, I would look at building on its strengths and look to improve its basketball product. Eventually the ACC Network will move to IP streaming and be able to be sold worldwide. Who knows whether the ACC will be able to sell some monthly subscriptions to people around the world who may want to watch ACC basketball, track and field, volleyball, track and field. It is worth a shot and increasing revenues will be a welcome addition to all of the schools. The B1G and SEC can also do the same but their basketball is not as good as the ACC is in terms of brand awareness. If I were the ACC, I would try and get some schools in the B12 or Pac12 that would help them execute this strategy. Perhaps Kansas might be an option but getting them before the streaming technology is available will mean that they will not contribute to the overall financial well being of the ACC and will probably cost the existing schools some money in the short term.

(07-04-2022 08:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 02:19 PM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 07:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Well the ACC is controlled by Tobacco Road.

How do the four North Carolina schools control the other eleven conference members?

they did it by putting things they knew the expansion teams wouldn't agree with into the ACC constitution and requiring a super-majority to change it. Tobacco Road no longer needs a majority to get what they want, they just need enough votes to stop others from changing it.

That said, credit where it's due - Tobacco Road must have cooperated to eliminate divisions. Even if they did mess it up, at least it happened.

Now, about that bowl money distribution...

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The expansion teams didn't understand what they were getting into when the signed on? Really?

(07-04-2022 08:15 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  I really think WVU, Cincinnati and UCF are the only ones who would consider it. Joining the ACC at this point only makes sense IF you would still be happy in the event you wake up in basically the old Big East + Wake Forest when the dust settles down the road.

University of South Florida as well. As a rising research university USF fits the ACC academic profile. The Bulls are also another survivor of the old Big East football project.

When the ACC interviewed Louisville, the other two finalists interviewed were Cincinnati and USF. Expect the Bulls to be on the ACC's speed dial if the conference loses either of its current Florida members.

The SEC will want to expand the states for the SEC network. That would be NC, VA, PA, NY, etc

(07-05-2022 07:17 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 07:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 07:17 AM)grapes Wrote: