(07-03-2022 08:58 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:43 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The SEC reportedly made a "unique offer" to ND, according to JR and others.

My question is why didn't the ACC get pro-active PRIOR to Texas and Southern Cal joining the SEC and Big Ten, respectively.

Either addition, especially the latter, may have gotten ND's attention.

But.....the ACC either did not try or failed to attract either of those.

Now? The horse may have decided to leave the barn.

https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/245901381158981632

TALK IS CHEAP

So are your ten year old cut and pastes...IRRELEVANT

(07-03-2022 09:42 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 05:49 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 03:13 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I for one don't think Notre Dame goes to the B1G without a fight. This whole thing is a proxy war between ESPN and Fox. I can't imagine ESPN wants to see a property as valuable as Notre Dame pitch their tent in the Fox camp.

If I am Jim Phillips, I am talking to ESPN execs right now Can we get the ACC to 80% of the B1G contract? Possibly, possibly not. From ESPN's perspective it would be better to have a big 3 conferences with 2 being ESPN properties than a big 2 with just one. Is ESPN willing to treat the ACC as an investment for the future?

If ESPN is willing to pay us not as much but not horrendously behind we could:

- Invite Notre Dame and 5 others of ESPN's choosing to create a 20 team super conference.

- Have 4 pods of 5 teams each for a 9 game schedule. Play everyone in your pod annually and everyone in the other pods in succession. Everyone sees every team at least once every 4 years. That is still better than our current setup.

-Guarantee that the extra money will be invested into football, basketball, and any other sport ESPN wants. This way they should get some return on their investment.

Alternately ESPN could try to get Notre Dame into the SEC. This would be more difficult to sell to Notre Dame, but ESPN would still control their rights.

Because it's actually cheaper for ESPN to slide 8 ACC teams into the SEC and pay out $130M per team and then pay the ACC $40M per team and bump it up to 16 teams than it is to pay 16 SEC teams $120 and 20 ACC teams $90M. So the ACC teams going to the SEC would get a substantial pay raise whilst ESPN is actually dishing out less money. Crazy how consolidation works.

It might get expensive for ESPN not to pony up for the ACC.
If Notre Dame leaves, every school becomes a free agent including the two Texas giants and Florida. Then there could be the loss of UVa, Carolina, Duke and Georgia Tech which are all AAU schools to the B1G.

https://twitter.com/TonyGerdeman/status/...4587718656

STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB

Lol, ND has never been an AAU member and the Big Ten has salivated over it and wanted it in their conference for sixty years.

People make exceptions for ND. This is just another one. AAU status doesn't matter regarding ND.

ANOTHER LAME AND IRRELEVANT ATTEMPT

(07-03-2022 09:11 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 03:13 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I for one don't think Notre Dame goes to the B1G without a fight. This whole thing is a proxy war between ESPN and Fox. I can't imagine ESPN wants to see a property as valuable as Notre Dame pitch their tent in the Fox camp.

If I am Jim Phillips, I am talking to ESPN execs right now Can we get the ACC to 80% of the B1G contract? Possibly, possibly not. From ESPN's perspective it would be better to have a big 3 conferences with 2 being ESPN properties than a big 2 with just one. Is ESPN willing to treat the ACC as an investment for the future?

you sir ...
have a functioning brain ...

CRUX OF THE MATTER

You must not keep up with current events.

ESPN just made a pitch to ND....to join the SEC (not the ACC)

WRONG CRUX, WRONG MATTER

(07-03-2022 12:46 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:11 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 03:13 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I for one don't think Notre Dame goes to the B1G without a fight. This whole thing is a proxy war between ESPN and Fox. I can't imagine ESPN wants to see a property as valuable as Notre Dame pitch their tent in the Fox camp.

If I am Jim Phillips, I am talking to ESPN execs right now Can we get the ACC to 80% of the B1G contract? Possibly, possibly not. From ESPN's perspective it would be better to have a big 3 conferences with 2 being ESPN properties than a big 2 with just one. Is ESPN willing to treat the ACC as an investment for the future?

you sir ...
have a functioning brain ...

CRUX OF THE MATTER

You must not keep up with current events.

ESPN just made a pitch to ND....to join the SEC (not the ACC)

WRONG CRUX, WRONG MATTER

where are you getting your 4-1-1 ...

STRANGE BEDFELLOWS

(07-03-2022 12:46 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:11 AM)green Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 03:13 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I for one don't think Notre Dame goes to the B1G without a fight. This whole thing is a proxy war between ESPN and Fox. I can't imagine ESPN wants to see a property as valuable as Notre Dame pitch their tent in the Fox camp.

If I am Jim Phillips, I am talking to ESPN execs right now Can we get the ACC to 80% of the B1G contract? Possibly, possibly not. From ESPN's perspective it would be better to have a big 3 conferences with 2 being ESPN properties than a big 2 with just one. Is ESPN willing to treat the ACC as an investment for the future?

you sir ...
have a functioning brain ...

CRUX OF THE MATTER

You must not keep up with current events.

ESPN just made a pitch to ND....to join the SEC (not the ACC)

WRONG CRUX, WRONG MATTER

Huh, really? I assume it is a leverage play.

Terry isn't often wrong when it comes to ND

(07-03-2022 07:21 PM)krux Wrote:  Terry isn't often wrong when it comes to ND

source it ...
or ...
it didn’t happen ...

BOYFRIEND ASKS FOR SPACE

(07-03-2022 08:54 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 05:49 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Because it's actually cheaper for ESPN to slide 8 ACC teams into the SEC and pay out $130M per team and then pay the ACC $40M per team and bump it up to 16 teams than it is to pay 16 SEC teams $120 and 20 ACC teams $90M. So the ACC teams going to the SEC would get a substantial pay raise whilst ESPN is actually dishing out less money. Crazy how consolidation works.

I can't be the only one who finds this a very interesting observation.

That math doesn't work.

16 SEC @ $130 = $2,080
8 ACC adds @ $130 = $1,040
16 ACC @ $40 = $640
Total = $3,760

16 SEC @ $120 = $1,920
20 ACC @ $90 = $1,800
Total = $3,720

It would cost ESPN $40m more to move the 8 ACC teams plus 2 crap loads of lawyer fees.

(07-03-2022 07:43 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The SEC reportedly made a "unique offer" to ND, according to JR and others.

My question is why didn't the ACC get pro-active PRIOR to Texas and Southern Cal joining the SEC and Big Ten, respectively.

Either addition, especially the latter, may have gotten ND's attention.

But.....the ACC either did not try or failed to attract either of those.

Now? The horse may have decided to leave the barn.

They did. Texas was in talks with the ACC when Oklahoma was trying to orchestrate a movement to the PAC. They may have been in talks with the SEC as well. Texas did not want to go west. When the PAC deal didn't work out, Texas opted to stay in the B12.

Nobody knows how serious those talks were. My guess it that Texas wasn't all that serious and wanted some leverage to keep Oklahoma from going west.

(07-04-2022 07:45 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:43 AM)TerryD Wrote:  The SEC reportedly made a "unique offer" to ND, according to JR and others.

My question is why didn't the ACC get pro-active PRIOR to Texas and Southern Cal joining the SEC and Big Ten, respectively.

Either addition, especially the latter, may have gotten ND's attention.

But.....the ACC either did not try or failed to attract either of those.

Now? The horse may have decided to leave the barn.

They did. Texas was in talks with the ACC when Oklahoma was trying to orchestrate a movement to the PAC. They may have been in talks with the SEC as well. Texas did not want to go west. When the PAC deal didn't work out, Texas opted to stay in the B12.

Nobody knows how serious those talks were. My guess it that Texas wasn't all that serious and wanted some leverage to keep Oklahoma from going west.

Things that never happened because behind the scenes stuff went sideways. Deloss Dodds said Texas was looking was looking East. Clay Travis and John Pennington (Mr SEC) were pushing and selling Virginia Tech and N.C. State to the SEC. And then suddenly kerflooey! Word was Texas, Notre Dame, Kanas, and Oklahoma were looking at moving together to the ACC and Texas A&M, Missouri, Virginia Tech and N.C. State were headed to the ACC and the SECN would open that Fall and the ACCN would follow the following year until a clique inside the ACC decided no.

Dodds was pissed, Oklahoma could have blown it up as Boren was shopping OU and Okie St to the SEC as a pair and wasn't crazy about the move, and ND waited a skosh and then made a counter proposal to take a Big East kind of deal. FSU and Clemson were so pissed (as was ESPN) that they were announced to the SEC on the ESPN crawler only to be pulled back when ND insisted they stay. ESPN bought off Slive by promising full carriage on day one for the SECN and delivered. GOR's became a thing and ESPN gave the ACC 2 million a year per school not to have an ACCN, until of course you got one much later.

But as with all things realignment what I suggested was just hearsay and none of it ever happened. And the flash goes off on the stick held by Men in Black!