Are we sure this deal is actually done? In particularly regarding UCLA?. I know the UClA school administrators approve of the move , but the California state government gets a bigger say than the admins.

I have found some interesting reading regarding CA SB 1887, California law forbidding any state entity (that includes state universities) from entering into new contracts that could direct state employees to travel or spend state monies in states that have laws that discriminate regarding sex orientation, gender identity, or other forms of discrimination.

Assuming UCLA falls under this law, Nebraska is the only BIG State that UCLA could travel to without violating this regulation.

I am curious how this could throw a monkey wrench into the current situation.

Oregon recruiting twitter account RTd the Ohio State NIL Collective, stating that Oregon is next up.

https://twitter.com/duckscrootin/status/...FcBcTMEuwQ


Seems like them and ND are up next, and wonder if ND has any demands to join like bringing Stanford...

BIG adds ND, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington. Utah, ASU, CU, Arizona to B12.

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 12:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  In order to survive, the ACC will have to be proactive instead of its usual reactive. The problem is we don’t have much to bargain with. Would Stanford, Cal & Oregon coax ND? Those 4 with guaranteed yearly games? Would those 4 coax Penn St? These schools would add a substantial amount to the ACCN. It will be a tough swallow but the ACC needs to go west.

Is it really coincidental that the ACC announces the drop of divisions & a short term schedule this close to this announcement? This isn’t over! The PAC, B12 & ACC are on the clock (chopping block?).


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Dude, Penn St is NOT leaving the B1G for the ACC.

The only questions now are whether ND tells you guys "thanks for kissing our @$$, now pi$$ off" and which PAC 12 leftovers are going to come to the B12.

This isn’t the AAC board, Dude. If you would read the post you would see that in this scenario ND, Stanford, Cal & Oregon would have agreed to join the ACC, meaning a pay rate similar to the B1G. At nearly the same pay rate with these additional schools & Penn St’s rumored unhappiness in the B1G, it would be due diligence to at least give them a call.

Now in reality, this is all heavily unlikely but in my opinion would be the only way to save the ACC as a power. The ACC future is highly unstable right now & I wouldn’t be surprised to see Louisville reunited with Cincinnati in the near future. But after all this is just for fun & discussion.


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Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 12:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  In order to survive, the ACC will have to be proactive instead of its usual reactive. The problem is we don’t have much to bargain with. Would Stanford, Cal & Oregon coax ND? Those 4 with guaranteed yearly games? Would those 4 coax Penn St? These schools would add a substantial amount to the ACCN. It will be a tough swallow but the ACC needs to go west.

Is it really coincidental that the ACC announces the drop of divisions & a short term schedule this close to this announcement? This isn’t over! The PAC, B12 & ACC are on the clock (chopping block?).


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Dude, Penn St is NOT leaving the B1G for the ACC.

The only questions now are whether ND tells you guys "thanks for kissing our @$$, now pi$$ off" and which PAC 12 leftovers are going to come to the B12.

This isn’t the AAC board, Dude. If you would read the post you would see that in this scenario ND, Stanford, Cal & Oregon would have agreed to join the ACC, meaning a pay rate similar to the B1G. At nearly the same pay rate with these additional schools & Penn St’s rumored unhappiness in the B1G, it would be due diligence to at least give them a call.

Now in reality, this is all heavily unlikely but in my opinion would be the only way to save the ACC as a power. The ACC future is highly unstable right now & I wouldn’t be surprised to see Louisville reunited with Cincinnati in the near future. But after all this is just for fun & discussion.


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Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 12:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  In order to survive, the ACC will have to be proactive instead of its usual reactive. The problem is we don’t have much to bargain with. Would Stanford, Cal & Oregon coax ND? Those 4 with guaranteed yearly games? Would those 4 coax Penn St? These schools would add a substantial amount to the ACCN. It will be a tough swallow but the ACC needs to go west.

Is it really coincidental that the ACC announces the drop of divisions & a short term schedule this close to this announcement? This isn’t over! The PAC, B12 & ACC are on the clock (chopping block?).


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Dude, Penn St is NOT leaving the B1G for the ACC.

The only questions now are whether ND tells you guys "thanks for kissing our @$$, now pi$$ off" and which PAC 12 leftovers are going to come to the B12.

This isn’t the AAC board, Dude. If you would read the post you would see that in this scenario ND, Stanford, Cal & Oregon would have agreed to join the ACC, meaning a pay rate similar to the B1G. At nearly the same pay rate with these additional schools & Penn St’s rumored unhappiness in the B1G, it would be due diligence to at least give them a call.

Now in reality, this is all heavily unlikely but in my opinion would be the only way to save the ACC as a power. The ACC future is highly unstable right now & I wouldn’t be surprised to see Louisville reunited with Cincinnati in the near future. But after all this is just for fun & discussion.


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Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

You know... ???

I'd take that.

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 12:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:25 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  In order to survive, the ACC will have to be proactive instead of its usual reactive. The problem is we don’t have much to bargain with. Would Stanford, Cal & Oregon coax ND? Those 4 with guaranteed yearly games? Would those 4 coax Penn St? These schools would add a substantial amount to the ACCN. It will be a tough swallow but the ACC needs to go west.

Is it really coincidental that the ACC announces the drop of divisions & a short term schedule this close to this announcement? This isn’t over! The PAC, B12 & ACC are on the clock (chopping block?).


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Dude, Penn St is NOT leaving the B1G for the ACC.

The only questions now are whether ND tells you guys "thanks for kissing our @$$, now pi$$ off" and which PAC 12 leftovers are going to come to the B12.

This isn’t the AAC board, Dude. If you would read the post you would see that in this scenario ND, Stanford, Cal & Oregon would have agreed to join the ACC, meaning a pay rate similar to the B1G. At nearly the same pay rate with these additional schools & Penn St’s rumored unhappiness in the B1G, it would be due diligence to at least give them a call.

Now in reality, this is all heavily unlikely but in my opinion would be the only way to save the ACC as a power. The ACC future is highly unstable right now & I wouldn’t be surprised to see Louisville reunited with Cincinnati in the near future. But after all this is just for fun & discussion.


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Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

How is the B12 most stable than the ACC? If the ACC makes an offer right now I would imagine anyone in the B12 would jump. Most definetely Cincy would accept in New York minute.

Wait until the BIG is done. I doubt ND can leave without a legal fight or paying big bucks. Once things are clear, the ACC will determine whether to expand or not.

From the Athletic

Commissioner Jim Phillips presented a strong, positive front, the AD said, as he reminded all of the strength and stability of the league relative to every other conference outside of the Big Ten and SEC, and as he stressed the stability that the league’s Grant of Rights provides.

No one on the call was naïve, and ADs brought up multiple potential avenues to explore in the imminent future, be that to expand themselves, to align themselves with the the Big 12 or Pac-12, or to stand pat, which seems like the least appealing current option during a period that calls for action.

Consider this from a piece by John Constanzo about the PAC’s current plight:

Quote:… The events of the last few days left the Pac-12’s future in doubt. I can’t help but wonder about the conference’s woeful decision under former commissioner Larry Scott in late 2018 to reject ESPN’s offer to extend their current media rights deal and take over management and distribution of the Pac-12 Networks. That deal would have extended into the 2030s and locked USC and UCLA into the conference.

At the time Scott said he thought it was best to wait to the end of the current deal. He didn’t want the conference to miss out on what might be a much larger windfall in the next round of media rights negotiations. Now, the Pac-12 finds itself in a scramble. ...

The ACC took the kind of deal that the PAC rejected. Good move.

(07-03-2022 11:42 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 12:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Dude, Penn St is NOT leaving the B1G for the ACC.

The only questions now are whether ND tells you guys "thanks for kissing our @$$, now pi$$ off" and which PAC 12 leftovers are going to come to the B12.

This isn’t the AAC board, Dude. If you would read the post you would see that in this scenario ND, Stanford, Cal & Oregon would have agreed to join the ACC, meaning a pay rate similar to the B1G. At nearly the same pay rate with these additional schools & Penn St’s rumored unhappiness in the B1G, it would be due diligence to at least give them a call.

Now in reality, this is all heavily unlikely but in my opinion would be the only way to save the ACC as a power. The ACC future is highly unstable right now & I wouldn’t be surprised to see Louisville reunited with Cincinnati in the near future. But after all this is just for fun & discussion.


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Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

How is the B12 most stable than the ACC? If the ACC makes an offer right now I would imagine anyone in the B12 would jump. Most definetely Cincy would accept in New York minute.

Wait until the BIG is done. I doubt ND can leave without a legal fight or paying big bucks. Once things are clear, the ACC will determine whether to expand or not.

From the Athletic

Commissioner Jim Phillips presented a strong, positive front, the AD said, as he reminded all of the strength and stability of the league relative to every other conference outside of the Big Ten and SEC, and as he stressed the stability that the league’s Grant of Rights provides.

No one on the call was naïve, and ADs brought up multiple potential avenues to explore in the imminent future, be that to expand themselves, to align themselves with the the Big 12 or Pac-12, or to stand pat, which seems like the least appealing current option during a period that calls for action.

I dont understand how a conference that has lost 2 more schools, in addition to the ones who have already left, is more stable than a conference who has not lost any school, unless you consider Maryland, many years ago. Sure, there may be the potential of ND leaving, but thats not a given. At this very moment, the ACC has better and more prestigious schools with a much larger audiance. If you are only stable because no other conference sees any value in your schools currently, that doesnt really bode well for your conference.

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The ACC future is highly unstable right now...

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is... what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up... My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR...

(07-03-2022 11:42 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  How is the B12 most stable than the ACC? If the ACC makes an offer right now I would imagine anyone in the B12 would jump. Most definetely Cincy would accept in New York minute.

Wait until the BIG is done. I doubt ND can leave without a legal fight or paying big bucks. Once things are clear, the ACC will determine whether to expand or not.

(07-03-2022 12:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  I dont understand how a conference that has lost 2 more schools, in addition to the ones who have already left, is more stable... If you are only stable because no other conference sees any value in your schools currently, that doesnt really bode well for your conference.

An airplane on the ground is more stable than one in the air, but if it can never fly again, is is really an airplane?

(07-03-2022 12:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:42 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 04:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  This isn’t the AAC board, Dude. If you would read the post you would see that in this scenario ND, Stanford, Cal & Oregon would have agreed to join the ACC, meaning a pay rate similar to the B1G. At nearly the same pay rate with these additional schools & Penn St’s rumored unhappiness in the B1G, it would be due diligence to at least give them a call.

Now in reality, this is all heavily unlikely but in my opinion would be the only way to save the ACC as a power. The ACC future is highly unstable right now & I wouldn’t be surprised to see Louisville reunited with Cincinnati in the near future. But after all this is just for fun & discussion.


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Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

How is the B12 most stable than the ACC? If the ACC makes an offer right now I would imagine anyone in the B12 would jump. Most definetely Cincy would accept in New York minute.

Wait until the BIG is done. I doubt ND can leave without a legal fight or paying big bucks. Once things are clear, the ACC will determine whether to expand or not.

From the Athletic

Commissioner Jim Phillips presented a strong, positive front, the AD said, as he reminded all of the strength and stability of the league relative to every other conference outside of the Big Ten and SEC, and as he stressed the stability that the league’s Grant of Rights provides.

No one on the call was naïve, and ADs brought up multiple potential avenues to explore in the imminent future, be that to expand themselves, to align themselves with the the Big 12 or Pac-12, or to stand pat, which seems like the least appealing current option during a period that calls for action.

I dont understand how a conference that has lost 2 more schools, in addition to the ones who have already left, is more stable than a conference who has not lost any school, unless you consider Maryland, many years ago. Sure, there may be the potential of ND leaving, but thats not a given. At this very moment, the ACC has better and more prestigious schools with a much larger audiance. If you are only stable because no other conference sees any value in your schools currently, that doesnt really bode well for your conference.

Understand why you question this. But it may actually be because outside of maybe Kansas, the remaining B12 members are unlikely to be poached further by the B1G or the SEC.

IF the goal truly is for both the B1G and the SEC to get to 24 members then this leaves both those super conferences with 8 slots to fill each.

What follows is ONLY my hunch as to which of the non-B1G and non-SEC programs will have best chances to either get one of those 16 slots or not. It's a thought experiment so don't take it too seriously. It's not meant as a knock against any of these programs just trying to think like I was in either the B1G or SEC and imagine how they might vote

Indy

ND-definitely going if they want it

PAC

Oregon - most likely
Washington - most likely
Stanford - likely
Colorado - possible
Arizona - possible
Arizona Sate - unlikely but possible
Utah - unlikely but possible
Cal - unlikely but possible
Oregon State - out
Washington State - out


ACC

Clemson - most likely
FSU - most likely
UNC - most likely
Miami - likely
UVA - likely
VT - likely
Duke - likely
NC State - likely
GT - possible
Louisville - possible
Pitt - unlikely but possible
Boston College - out
Syracuse - out
Wake Forest - out

B12

Kansas - possible

ND (1)
Most likely (5)
Likely (6)
Possible (5)
Unlikely but Possible (4)

21 programs to fill 16 slots.

I truly believe ND and the 5 Most Likely programs will definitely fill 6 of those 16 slots - assuming ND decides to join a conference in full. That leaves 15 other programs to fill 10 slots.

It is of course within the realm of possibility that the 'out' programs in my analysis have a super champion or champions to get them in one of those slots. It is also possible I am overestimating the influence a particular program I have as Likely above really isn't all that admired after all.

And yes this whole realignment is football, football, football focused overall- don't sleep on the fact that down the road the breakaway due to football might be followed down the road in basketball as well.

For those that don't wind up in the Power 2, there is the outside chance we will be in a B-league where the P5 schools not good enough for the Power 2 will have TV contracts probably a third or less of what the B1G and SEC schools are paid.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-03-2022 04:13 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 12:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:42 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

How is the B12 most stable than the ACC? If the ACC makes an offer right now I would imagine anyone in the B12 would jump. Most definetely Cincy would accept in New York minute.

Wait until the BIG is done. I doubt ND can leave without a legal fight or paying big bucks. Once things are clear, the ACC will determine whether to expand or not.

From the Athletic

Commissioner Jim Phillips presented a strong, positive front, the AD said, as he reminded all of the strength and stability of the league relative to every other conference outside of the Big Ten and SEC, and as he stressed the stability that the league’s Grant of Rights provides.

No one on the call was naïve, and ADs brought up multiple potential avenues to explore in the imminent future, be that to expand themselves, to align themselves with the the Big 12 or Pac-12, or to stand pat, which seems like the least appealing current option during a period that calls for action.

I dont understand how a conference that has lost 2 more schools, in addition to the ones who have already left, is more stable than a conference who has not lost any school, unless you consider Maryland, many years ago. Sure, there may be the potential of ND leaving, but thats not a given. At this very moment, the ACC has better and more prestigious schools with a much larger audiance. If you are only stable because no other conference sees any value in your schools currently, that doesnt really bode well for your conference.

Understand why you question this. But it may actually be because outside of maybe Kansas, the remaining B12 members are unlikely to be poached further by the B1G or the SEC.

IF the goal truly is for both the B1G and the SEC to get to 24 members then this leaves both those super conferences with 8 slots to fill each.

What follows is ONLY my hunch as to which of the non-B1G and non-SEC programs will have best chances to either get one of those 16 slots or not. It's a thought experiment so don't take it too seriously. It's not meant as a knock against any of these programs just trying to think like I was in either the B1G or SEC and imagine how they might vote

Indy

ND-definitely going if they want it

PAC

Oregon - most likely
Washington - most likely
Stanford - likely
Colorado - possible
Arizona - possible
Arizona Sate - unlikely but possible
Utah - unlikely but possible
Cal - unlikely but possible
Oregon State - out
Washington State - out


ACC

Clemson - most likely
FSU - most likely
UNC - most likely
Miami - likely
UVA - likely
VT - likely
Duke - likely
NC State - likely
GT - possible
Louisville - possible
Pitt - unlikely but possible
Boston College - out
Syracuse - out
Wake Forest - out

B12

Kansas - possible

ND (1)
Most likely (5)
Likely (6)
Possible (5)
Unlikely but Possible (4)

21 programs to fill 16 slots.

I truly believe ND and the 5 Most Likely programs will definitely fill 6 of those 16 slots - assuming ND decides to join a conference in full. That leaves 15 other programs to fill 10 slots.

It is of course within the realm of possibility that the 'out' programs in my analysis have a super champion or champions to get them in one of those slots. It is also possible I am overestimating the influence a particular program I have as Likely above really isn't all that admired after all.

And yes this whole realignment is football, football, football focused overall- don't sleep on the fact that down the road the breakaway due to football might be followed down the road in basketball as well.

For those that don't wind up in the Power 2, there is the outside chance we will be in a B-league where the P5 schools not good enough for the Power 2 will have TV contracts probably a third or less of what the B1G and SEC schools are paid.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
Neil

People seem to forget about something called a GOR. The ACC has one. The B12 has one, the Pac12 has one. The common theme here is that all the schools who left the Pac and B12 is that they all gave notice just before the GOR ran out for their respective league so that they could avoid huge sums to leave. So the fact that the ACC has a GOR tells me that its going to be about 2033 at the earliest that programs will try to leave the ACC, if thats what they want. Fourteen years from now might as well be 100 years and so many different variables of opportunities could happen between now and 2036.

The only program that I could see that could possibly leave relatively soon is ND. But because they are not a full member and they can come up with the money needed to leave. But they will pay very dearly and I think it will be much more than the $175 million that I have seen tossed around here. The ACC will not just lay down and let them leave either. Also, why would ESPN let some of their properties that they own 100% go to the BIG? Why would ESPN not try to help save the ACC instead of risk losing some of their properties? These are questions that would assume that programs can leave the ACC now for those who think they can leave now.

(07-03-2022 04:13 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 12:27 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:42 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 11:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:46 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Um, we're like, you know, B12 now.

That said, I will grant you this... WHO FREAKING KNOWS what is going to happen next so I guess you can't say "can't" in talking about this stuff.

My point is that the B1G and SEC do not have "out" doors on them. It's a one way street IN. They're the college athletics promised land right now.

I don't think the two biggies have any desire for anyone in the B12, so at very least we are what we are now. Maybe Kansas, but the question remains that if they really wanted them, why haven't they taken them right now.

The PAC12 is dead. Everybody there is looking for their life boat so they don't end up in a western AAC with SDSU and Boise.

That leaves the ACC. Just my guess but someone somewhere is probably waiting to pounce on UNC, FSU and maybe Clemson, UVA or GT when they can be gotten.

The question for everybody else is what do you guys do when that happens.

I’m aware of Cincinnati’s imminent move to the B12 & congratulate you. The B12 is currently looking far more stable than the ACC currently is. The scenario I pointed out wasn’t a prediction but an idea on what it would take for the ACC to survive. I give it a slim chance of happening. It is far more likely that the B12 will be the one taking in the remnants of the PAC & the ACC once the B1G & SEC finish carving them up. As far as the B1G & SEC being a 1 way street in, I don’t concur but it would take some kind of lateral move at least to pull it off. Would 3-5 top PAC schools & ND be enough to entice Penn ST? If ESPN wanted it to happen then maybe but those are nearly impossible tasks for the ACC to pull off. It all comes down to what ESPN wants.

My prediction is that the ACC will not survive to see the end of the GOR. ND will soon be in the B1G. The B1G will take 3 more PAC teams (Stanford, Oregon, Wash) & 4 more ACC teams. The SEC takes 5 allowing the ACC to be dissolved. The rest of the ACC & PAC join the B12 to become #3.

Maybe?
B1G (24)
West: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Stanford, ND

Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nwestern

North: Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers

East: Penn St, Maryland, NC St, VT, GT, Miami

SEC (21)
West: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss State, UK

Central: Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Tennessee, SC, Vandy

East: Florida, FSU, Clemson, Georgia, Virginia, NC, Duke

B12 (21)
West: Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, TT

Central: Oklahoma St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Houston

East: WV, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, UCF, BC

How is the B12 most stable than the ACC? If the ACC makes an offer right now I would imagine anyone in the B12 would jump. Most definetely Cincy would accept in New York minute.

Wait until the BIG is done. I doubt ND can leave without a legal fight or paying big bucks. Once things are clear, the ACC will determine whether to expand or not.

From the Athletic

Commissioner Jim Phillips presented a strong, positive front, the AD said, as he reminded all of the strength and stability of the league relative to every other conference outside of the Big Ten and SEC, and as he stressed the stability that the league’s Grant of Rights provides.

No one on the call was naïve, and ADs brought up multiple potential avenues to explore in the imminent future, be that to expand themselves, to align themselves with the the Big 12 or Pac-12, or to stand pat, which seems like the least appealing current option during a period that calls for action.

I dont understand how a conference that has lost 2 more schools, in addition to the ones who have already left, is more stable than a conference who has not lost any school, unless you consider Maryland, many years ago. Sure, there may be the potential of ND leaving, but thats not a given. At this very moment, the ACC has better and more prestigious schools with a much larger audiance. If you are only stable because no other conference sees any value in your schools currently, that doesnt really bode well for your conference.

Understand why you question this. But it may actually be because outside of maybe Kansas, the remaining B12 members are unlikely to be poached further by the B1G or the SEC.

IF the goal truly is for both the B1G and the SEC to get to 24 members then this leaves both those super conferences with 8 slots to fill each.

What follows is ONLY my hunch as to which of the non-B1G and non-SEC programs will have best chances to either get one of those 16 slots or not. It's a thought experiment so don't take it too seriously. It's not meant as a knock against any of these programs just trying to think like I was in either the B1G or SEC and imagine how they might vote

Indy

ND-definitely going if they want it

PAC

Oregon - most likely
Washington - most likely
Stanford - likely
Colorado - possible
Arizona - possible
Arizona Sate - unlikely but possible
Utah - unlikely but possible
Cal - unlikely but possible
Oregon State - out
Washington State - out


ACC

Clemson - most likely
FSU - most likely
UNC - most likely
Miami - likely
UVA - likely
VT - likely
Duke - likely
NC State - likely
GT - possible
Louisville - possible
Pitt - unlikely but possible
Boston College - out
Syracuse - out
Wake Forest - out

B12

Kansas - possible

ND (1)
Most likely (5)
Likely (6)
Possible (5)
Unlikely but Possible (4)

21 programs to fill 16 slots.

I truly believe ND and the 5 Most Likely programs will definitely fill 6 of those 16 slots - assuming ND decides to join a conference in full. That leaves 15 other programs to fill 10 slots.

It is of course within the realm of possibility that the 'out' programs in my analysis have a super champion or champions to get them in one of those slots. It is also possible I am overestimating the influence a particular program I have as Likely above really isn't all that admired after all.

And yes this whole realignment is football, football, football focused overall- don't sleep on the fact that down the road the breakaway due to football might be followed down the road in basketball as well.

For those that don't wind up in the Power 2, there is the outside chance we will be in a B-league where the P5 schools not good enough for the Power 2 will have TV contracts probably a third or less of what the B1G and SEC schools are paid.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
Neil

Should the B1G get ND, which is why they took USC & UCLA, with 3 more PAC schools, a large majority of the PAC value is placed in the P2. Should the B1G take 4 from the ACC & the SEC take 4-6 from the ACC then a large majority of its value is placed in a P2. The remnants add value to a third conference & can have the PACN and/or ACCN rolled into it. The only reason to wait until the end of the ACC GOR is to place fewer ACC schools into the P2. Either way it is going to happen. You could split up the PAC & ACC remnants with the B12 & make 2 smaller conferences instead of a large third but the B12 will still be there.


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I saw an interesting WSJ article.

http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/will-cal...1657315232

Anybody have a subscription to WSJ to get around the paywall. I would find it slightly funny if UCLA is force by CA gov to go back to the PAC.

(07-09-2022 05:52 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  I saw an interesting WSJ article.

http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/will-cal...1657315232

Anybody have a subscription to WSJ to get around the paywall. I would find it slightly funny if UCLA is force by CA gov to go back to the PAC.

Just when they thought they were out...CAL drags them back in.

Actually the B1G should love this. USC covers it well enough. Then Oregon, Washington and Stanford fit with or without ND. If you add ND then you pick up Colorado and voila!