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When my son was born, we lived in a relatively nice golf course community that was part of a terrible school district. Through eighth grade, he attended a Christian school that used the Abeka (then Beka) curriculum. Aftwe his mom and I divorced, she remarried and moved to a much better school district, so my son moved to public school. It ended up being an excellent track for him to follow, because he learned some excellent behaviourial skills during the Christian school years, but got out in time to learn real science.

His ninth grade year, he had a bit of a weird schedule because he was ahead of his peers in some areas and behind in others. As part of this schedule, during first period he ended up parked in a geography class that had the primary purpose of keeping the football team eligible. It was taught by a defensive backs coach who knew next to nothing about geography. My son had already traveled extensively with me, including two trips to Europe, and one each to Asia and Australia, so he ended up basically teaching the course. His mom called me one day and expressed concern that he wasn't learning anything in this geography course, and she wanted to move him. My response was, "Let me get this straight. He's the new kid in school and he's making best friends with the football team. I think we leave him right where he is." So we did.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...47515.html

We need to be involved and make sure our kids know the truth, not the progressives' hatred of the west. And teach them perspective, which seems to be lacking in progressive thought, as discussed below on China vs. the US.

"...Much in the manner that Nietzsche described, progressive elites – who already enjoy considerable power and prestige but apparently not nearly as much as they think they deserve – have enervated their rivals and empowered themselves by reconceiving reason as irrationality, virtue as vice, justice as injustice, rule of law as despotism, and despotism as freedom. In the same spirit, they have transformed “diversity,” which originally emphasized the benefits that derive from the encounter with individuals with different points of view, into a call for people of various races, ethnicities, genders, and sexual orientations to think alike. They have replaced “equality,” which forbids discrimination based on race, with “equity,” which demands race-based discrimination. And they have redefined “inclusion” to exclude those who depart from the progressive faith.

Murray concludes with a rousing tribute to the West. While its wrongs in no way set it apart from other great powers and the peoples and nations of the world, he states, the West’s many achievements have greatly enriched humanity.

The West gave the world much of medical science, technology, and treatment. It founded the world’s oldest universities. It excelled in studying other peoples and places including lost and dead civilizations. It developed free-market capitalism, which has done more than any other economic system to lift people worldwide out of poverty. It elaborated and instituted the principles of individual freedom and human equality, inalienable rights, and limited government. It produced works of art of surpassing beauty that are admired – and provide consolation, hope, and inspiration – around the world. Migrants fleeing oppression or seeking better economic opportunities for themselves and for their children flow in one direction – to the West, and above all to the United States. And whereas it is inconceivable that, say, a white Westerner could move to China and rise to the top of the Chinese Communist Party, “It is America that has twice elected a black president – the son of a father from Kenya,” writes Murray. “And it is America whose current vice president is the daughter of immigrants from India and Jamaica.....""
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(04-17-2022 02:23 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  What are some examples of CRT in these Math textbooks?

Florida Rejects Publishers’ Attempts to Indoctrinate Students

Quote:Overall, Florida is initially not including 54 of the 132 (41 percent) submitted textbooks on the state’s adopted list. The full breakdown is below:

78 of 132 total submitted textbooks are being included on the state’s adopted list.
28 (21 percent) are not included on the adopted list because they incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT.
12 (9 percent) are not included on the adopted list because they do not properly align to B.E.S.T. Standards.
14 (11 percent) are not included on the adopted list because they do not properly align to B.E.S.T. Standards and incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT.
Grades K-5: 71 percent of materials were rejected.
Grades 6-8: 20 percent of materials were rejected.
Grades 9-12: 35 percent of materials were rejected.

“It seems that some publishers attempted to slap a coat of paint on an old house built on the foundation of Common Core, and indoctrinating concepts like race essentialism, especially, bizarrely, for elementary school students,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “I’m grateful that Commissioner Corcoran and his team at the Department have conducted such a thorough vetting of these textbooks to ensure they comply with the law.”

“We’re going to ensure that Florida has the highest-quality instructional materials aligned to our nationally-recognized standards,” said Commissioner of Education Richard Corcoran. “Florida has become a national leader in education under the vision and leadership of Governor DeSantis. When it comes to education, other states continue to follow Florida’s lead as we continue to reinforce parents’ rights by focusing on providing their children with a world-class education without the fear of indoctrination or exposure to dangerous and divisive concepts in our classrooms.”

“Reasons for rejecting textbooks included references to Critical Race Theory (CRT), inclusions of Common Core, and the unsolicited addition of Social Emotional Learning (SEL) in mathematics. The highest number of books rejected were for grade levels K-5, where an alarming 71 percent were not appropriately aligned with Florida standards or included prohibited topics and unsolicited strategies,” the press release continued. “Despite rejecting 41 percent of materials submitted, every core mathematics course and grade is covered with at least one textbook.”

“It is unfortunate that several publishers, especially at the elementary school grade levels, have ignored this clear communication and have attempted to slip rebranded instructional materials based on Common Core Standards into Florida’s classrooms, while others have included prohibited and divisive concepts such as the tenants of CRT or other unsolicited strategies of indoctrination – despite FDOE’s prior notification,” the statement added.

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This kind of lying, Communist hatred and indoctrination from the Far Left has no place even in America's skewls, and no place in American Citizens' curriculum.
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(04-19-2022 08:41 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 02:23 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  What are some examples of CRT in these Math textbooks?

Excellent question, and apparently DeSantis is so far either unable or unwilling to provide any examples from actual Florida math textbooks.

https://twitter.com/CarlosGSmith/status/...0756296714

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm siding with game and the libs on this one.

I need examples of what's IN the book before I shut the book down.

I'm not "burning" any book until I know what's in it, and so far, I have yet to see ONE example of what's CRT in these math texts.

One of the things I always stood with the right on, was logic and controlled and careful thought, not knee-jerk heart and emotional reactions.

Someone PROVE to me these books are CRT-centric, and Ill stand right with you on them. Until then, I'm not with the "firemen" arguing around on this one..
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(04-25-2022 04:13 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 08:41 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 02:23 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  What are some examples of CRT in these Math textbooks?

Excellent question, and apparently DeSantis is so far either unable or unwilling to provide any examples from actual Florida math textbooks.

https://twitter.com/CarlosGSmith/status/...0756296714

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm siding with game and the libs on this one.

I need examples of what's IN the book before I shut the book down.

I'm not "burning" any book until I know what's in it, and so far, I have yet to see ONE example of what's CRT in these math texts.

One of the things I always stood with the right on, was logic and controlled and careful thought, not knee-jerk heart and emotional reactions.

Someone PROVE to me these books are CRT-centric, and Ill stand right with you on them. Until then, I'm not with the "firemen" arguing around on this one..

Did you not see the examples above?
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If those example come from the books in question, UM, i can see the problem.

Problem is last time they gave examples like this, they were from books that weren't on the actual list of voided books, but books from other states that had already been turned away.

I just want to know all the facts before I say "yes, lets' start ripping books to shreds" and become something like the old German Youth Organization...
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(04-26-2022 02:08 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  If those example come from the books in question, UM, i can see the problem.

Problem is last time they gave examples like this, they were from books that weren't on the actual list of voided books, but books from other states that had already been turned away.

I just want to know all the facts before I say "yes, lets' start ripping books to shreds" and become something like the old German Youth Organization...

It's not about ripping books apart. The publisher of those books can still publish and sell those books to other states, but Florida has made it clear those books violate their state's education department guidelines.

And FL isn't trying to eliminate scholarly content. They simply don't want certain social aspects being included in the curricula they use in their schools.
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Quote:Florida has made it clear those books violate their state's education department guidelines.

Which i have no problem with. I do have a problem with them just declaring a book outside their guidelines, but not showing/saying how it stepped outside those guidelines.

That's why i had problems when this story first tuned out.. it was just "someone" claiming the books broke guidelines, but never provided the guidelines they broke or examples of what broke them.

It's sort of like the vaccine / corona thing.. the left was "it'll save you! it'll save you!!" Still unvacc'd and I'm still my normal "not-so-perfect" form of health... because I refused to listen to their hyperbole.

Again, I guess I've turned into a "show me"-type of conservative, as I'm not buying into the hype of any of the groups (the swamp creatures, the "populist" republicans or the Democrats).

Backup your argument without hyperbole (which is why I will never lean to the democratic side, cause they can't do that), and I'm going to likely be there right along with you.
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(04-26-2022 04:05 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
Quote:Florida has made it clear those books violate their state's education department guidelines.

Which i have no problem with. I do have a problem with them just declaring a book outside their guidelines, but not showing/saying how it stepped outside those guidelines.

That's why i had problems when this story first tuned out.. it was just "someone" claiming the books broke guidelines, but never provided the guidelines they broke or examples of what broke them.

It's sort of like the vaccine / corona thing.. the left was "it'll save you! it'll save you!!" Still unvacc'd and I'm still my normal "not-so-perfect" form of health... because I refused to listen to their hyperbole.

Again, I guess I've turned into a "show me"-type of conservative, as I'm not buying into the hype of any of the groups (the swamp creatures, the "populist" republicans or the Democrats).

Backup your argument without hyperbole (which is why I will never lean to the democratic side, cause they can't do that), and I'm going to likely be there right along with you.

Well, I agree it would be nice if they shared examples from all 54 books. I'd also like to see the title, version, author and publisher of each book.

But I can understand the committee/department not doing that initially. It seems that maybe the story grew larger and they had to provide some examples to prove what they stated.

But at least they're moving in the right direction.
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WINNING: Textbook Companies Cave to DeSantis, Remove Critical Race Theory and Other Woke Content From Their Materials

Quote:Textbook publishers are caving to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and removing Critical Race Theory and other “woke” lessons from their materials to meet the state’s standards.
In April, the Florida Department of Education rejected 54 math textbooks for next school year due to “attempts to indoctrinate students.”

Quote:Following the rejections, several of the companies worked to remove the offending content.

Quote:“Publishers are aligning their instructional materials to state standards and removing woke content allowing the department of education to add 19 more books to the state adoption list over the past 17 days,” the Florida Department of Education announced.

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(05-05-2022 12:47 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  WINNING: Textbook Companies Cave to DeSantis, Remove Critical Race Theory and Other Woke Content From Their Materials

Quote:Textbook publishers are caving to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and removing Critical Race Theory and other “woke” lessons from their materials to meet the state’s standards.
In April, the Florida Department of Education rejected 54 math textbooks for next school year due to “attempts to indoctrinate students.”

Quote:Following the rejections, several of the companies worked to remove the offending content.

Quote:“Publishers are aligning their instructional materials to state standards and removing woke content allowing the department of education to add 19 more books to the state adoption list over the past 17 days,” the Florida Department of Education announced.


DeSantis and Florida public schools win again. The publishers value the $$$ at the end of the day and so they FLUSH that WOKE BULLS HIT down the tubes where it belongs.

Other states simply need to FOLLOW THE LEADER - DeSantis. The lesson here is states DO NOT have to meekly tolerate that WOKE BS.
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