(04-17-2022 05:25 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 04:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  The last time this conference catered towards the Florida schools it didn’t work out and we ended up in Charlotte. Let’s stay in Greensboro or cut to the chase and move to the Queen City.

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status...4527710216

BUSINESS AS USUAL

So you admit that so far the Miami-FSU fearsome 1-2 punch has been a total tickle fight? For 20 years?

To think we staged a CC game in Tampa. Yikes.

(04-17-2022 06:06 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 05:25 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 04:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  The last time this conference catered towards the Florida schools it didn’t work out and we ended up in Charlotte. Let’s stay in Greensboro or cut to the chase and move to the Queen City.

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status...4527710216

BUSINESS AS USUAL

So you admit that so far the Miami-FSU fearsome 1-2 punch has been a total tickle fight? For 20 years?

To think we staged a CC game in Tampa. Yikes.

https://twitter.com/SWFLVegMan/status/14...4040300544

twice carolina’s population ...

WRITE OFF

(04-17-2022 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:46 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:24 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:06 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

as opposed to make-believe realignment ...

FEED THE BEAST

Realignment is a fact of life. I believe I have stated numerous times these litttle ditties:

1. My original post here: Realignment is the hostile takeover of a sleepy disorganized cottage industry with a major upside by Corporate America. Everyone scoffed in 2012. They aren't scoffing now.

2. The SEC's original 6 targets in 1990 were Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, a silent partner of Texas (Oklahoma), Clemson, and Florida State. And here we are now with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina instead of Clemson, and Missouri instead of FSU. 4.5 out of 6 is a pretty decent percentage.

3. A few years back I told you that Time, Economic Disparity and Pressure would bring about further consolidation, it has, is, and will continue to do so. It's not prognostication but rather the incremental advancement of a corporate business plan, and it is as "real" as it gets. It's all part of product placement to drive market interest and enhance the most recognizable brands. In other words Business 101. In the corporate mind a smaller, highly identifiable, and proven market brand playing another maximizes advertising profits and a smaller grouping shrinks overhead.

We won't jump there overnight but I do believe some large quick moves will come now that NIL is here, pay for play on the way, and the NCAA in the crosshairs of the Supreme Court. I think we wind up with 48 schools. I think we could move to a breakaway of 72 or less first as a transitional phase. But the 48 will be clear enough in the next few years which is soon in corporate time. The new B1G media rights deal along with the SEC's will be trigger enough to make it happen.

Got a list?

72 is the ACC, SEC, P12, B10, B12 and 3 more lucky few make 72.

There are just a handful to make the extra 3 (ND is in with the ACC btw).

Service Academies

1. Navy
2. Army
3. Air Force

AAC Members

1. USF
2. Rice
3. Tulane

Mountain West Members

1. Colorado State
2. New Mexico
3. San Diego State
4. UNLV

No chance as I see it:

Temple, UConn, Memphis, Villanova, and Nevada Reno

Rice has a 6 Billion endowment and is located in Houston. Tulane has a 2 Billion endowment and is located in New Orleans. USF has 700 Million endowment and is located in Tampa. These are all warm weather locations on or near the water. All three are research intensive. Colorado State is also research intensive has a 600 Million endowment and is located north of Denver and Boulder at the Front Range of the Rockies.

My bet on the last 3 - USF, Colorado State and Rice or New Mexico.

I don't know how long 72 would last because only about 32 to 36 could actually hope to compete so an upper and lower division seems to be required in the mid range future.

Did you know that Charlotte is within 500 miles of more schools than Greensboro?
It's closer than Greensboro for Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, and also Louisville - while being nearly the same for Pitt and Notre Dame, and within 100 miles of the same for UVA, VT, NC State, Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and BC.

There are plenty of other reasons to pick Charlotte, as well.

(04-18-2022 07:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Did you know that Charlotte is within 500 miles of more schools than Greensboro?
It's closer than Greensboro for Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, and also Louisville - while being nearly the same for Pitt and Notre Dame, and within 100 miles of the same for UVA, VT, NC State, Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and BC.

There are plenty of other reasons to pick Charlotte, as well.

you don’t get it, hokie ...
up & moving to football-mad florida ...
goes a long way towards shedding our basketball preoccupation...

OPTICS

(04-18-2022 07:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Did you know that Charlotte is within 500 miles of more schools than Greensboro?
It's closer than Greensboro for Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, and also Louisville - while being nearly the same for Pitt and Notre Dame, and within 100 miles of the same for UVA, VT, NC State, Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and BC.

There are plenty of other reasons to pick Charlotte, as well.

Mark, you really need to get a hobby.

(04-18-2022 08:32 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-18-2022 07:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Did you know that Charlotte is within 500 miles of more schools than Greensboro?
It's closer than Greensboro for Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, and also Louisville - while being nearly the same for Pitt and Notre Dame, and within 100 miles of the same for UVA, VT, NC State, Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and BC.

There are plenty of other reasons to pick Charlotte, as well.

Mark, you really need to get a hobby.

This IS my hobby.

(04-18-2022 07:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Did you know that Charlotte is within 500 miles of more schools than Greensboro?
It's closer than Greensboro for Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami, and also Louisville - while being nearly the same for Pitt and Notre Dame, and within 100 miles of the same for UVA, VT, NC State, Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Syracuse, and BC.

There are plenty of other reasons to pick Charlotte, as well.

Good Stuff! I agree that Charlotte is the clear cut winner!

I don't see the fixation with HQ location. It's not like the schools or fans go there on a regular basis. If they do have a meeting it's usually at a resort somewhere. The HQ could be in Alaska as long as there is a decent workforce.

Having said that, the one thing that does hurt Greensboro is its airport. I don't think Greensboro is in a position to do anything about it. The airport is more about hosting interstate events than HQ location.

FWIW, Greensboro (303k) is larger than Orlando (292k). Montgomery, home of the SEC HQ has a population of 197k and seems to be shrinking. I believe the SEC is doing OK.

(04-18-2022 07:12 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see the fixation with HQ location. It's not like the schools or fans go there on a regular basis. If they do have a meeting it's usually at a resort somewhere. The HQ could be in Alaska as long as there is a decent workforce.

Having said that, the one thing that does hurt Greensboro is its airport. I don't think Greensboro is in a position to do anything about it. The airport is more about hosting interstate events than HQ location.

FWIW, Greensboro (303k) is larger than Orlando (292k). Montgomery, home of the SEC HQ has a population of 197k and seems to be shrinking. I believe the SEC is doing OK.

https://twitter.com/orlandosentinel/stat...1518069760

they don’t have a football problem ...
or revenue shortfall ...

BRAND REPOSITIONING

(04-18-2022 07:12 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see the fixation with HQ location. It's not like the schools or fans go there on a regular basis. If they do have a meeting it's usually at a resort somewhere. The HQ could be in Alaska as long as there is a decent workforce.

Having said that, the one thing that does hurt Greensboro is its airport. I don't think Greensboro is in a position to do anything about it. The airport is more about hosting interstate events than HQ location.

FWIW, Greensboro (303k) is larger than Orlando (292k). Montgomery, home of the SEC HQ has a population of 197k and seems to be shrinking. I believe the SEC is doing OK.

Uhm, the SEC Offices are in Birmingham.

FYI:

The Triad Metro has an average age of 40, an average household income of $52K, and a rate of 4 year degrees of 28%.
Metrolina (Greater Charlotte) has an average age of 37, an average household income of $66K and a rate of 4 year degrees of 36%.
Greater Orlando has an average age of 37, an average household income of 61K, and a rate of 4 year degrees of 32%.
The Triangle (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) have an average age of 35. an average household income of $73K, and a 4 year degree rate of 47%.

There are 4.1 million in the Greater Orlando Combined Statistical Area and 2.2 million in the core.
There are 2.6 million in the Metrolina Combined Statistical Area and 1.1 million in the core.
There are 2.7 million in the Triangle Combined Statistical Area and 1 million in a ring around the core.
There are 1.6 million in the Triad CSA and 750K in a ring around the core.

Because of various factors, the Triangle more closely mirrors what you think of when you talk about college sports fans and the long term economic health of the region is most resilient of the four regions. For political reason it's not being considered. The current location is where it is because that was the economic center of North Carolina in the first half of the 20th Century.

Miami is going to be "Bama good", or "early 2000's Miami good" as it was originally called. The commish needs to be worrying about how to get rid of divisions and not moving the conference HQ down the road. Nobody will want to be in the Coastal in a few seasons.

(04-19-2022 01:30 PM)esayem Wrote:  Miami is going to be "Bama good", or "early 2000's Miami good" as it was originally called. The commish needs to be worrying about how to get rid of divisions and not moving the conference HQ down the road. Nobody will want to be in the Coastal in a few seasons.

https://twitter.com/CBKNEWS17/status/151...4444470278

LAST-MINUTE REPRIEVE

(04-18-2022 07:12 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see the fixation with HQ location. It's not like the schools or fans go there on a regular basis. If they do have a meeting it's usually at a resort somewhere. The HQ could be in Alaska as long as there is a decent workforce.

Having said that, the one thing that does hurt Greensboro is its airport. I don't think Greensboro is in a position to do anything about it. The airport is more about hosting interstate events than HQ location.

FWIW, Greensboro (303k) is larger than Orlando (292k). Montgomery, home of the SEC HQ has a population of 197k and seems to be shrinking. I believe the SEC is doing OK.

I'll be sure not to hire you as an analyst ;-)

SEC is Birmingham not Muntgumree

Comparing city limits proper is ridiculous. The Orlando Metro dwarfs Greensboro and as you stated air travel is a huge factor in selecting where to locate a conference HQ.

(04-19-2022 03:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-18-2022 07:12 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see the fixation with HQ location. It's not like the schools or fans go there on a regular basis. If they do have a meeting it's usually at a resort somewhere. The HQ could be in Alaska as long as there is a decent workforce.

Having said that, the one thing that does hurt Greensboro is its airport. I don't think Greensboro is in a position to do anything about it. The airport is more about hosting interstate events than HQ location.

FWIW, Greensboro (303k) is larger than Orlando (292k). Montgomery, home of the SEC HQ has a population of 197k and seems to be shrinking. I believe the SEC is doing OK.

I'll be sure not to hire you as an analyst ;-)

SEC is Birmingham not Muntgumree

Comparing city limits proper is ridiculous. The Orlando Metro dwarfs Greensboro and as you stated air travel is a huge factor in selecting where to locate a conference HQ.

Airports are a red-herring. The conference will use the nearest executive jet port most of the time. Take RDU in Raleigh - wheels with planes come and go from Raleigh Exec Airport located 25 miles south of RDU near a town named Sanford.

Orlando Exec Airport is near downtown Orlando.

For Charlotte they likely use Concord/Padget

(04-19-2022 02:37 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 01:30 PM)esayem Wrote:  Miami is going to be "Bama good", or "early 2000's Miami good" as it was originally called. The commish needs to be worrying about how to get rid of divisions and not moving the conference HQ down the road. Nobody will want to be in the Coastal in a few seasons.

https://twitter.com/CBKNEWS17/status/151...4444470278

LAST-MINUTE REPRIEVE

Celebrity Death Match between DeSantis and Disney. DeSantis has a lot of mouth, but Disney has near infinite money. I would rather take on the Maffia.

As far as divisionless goes we just need to tell everyone we are doing it and if someone attempts to stop us, we will sue them and stomp a mud hole in them.

(04-19-2022 05:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 03:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-18-2022 07:12 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see the fixation with HQ location. It's not like the schools or fans go there on a regular basis. If they do have a meeting it's usually at a resort somewhere. The HQ could be in Alaska as long as there is a decent workforce.

Having said that, the one thing that does hurt Greensboro is its airport. I don't think Greensboro is in a position to do anything about it. The airport is more about hosting interstate events than HQ location.

FWIW, Greensboro (303k) is larger than Orlando (292k). Montgomery, home of the SEC HQ has a population of 197k and seems to be shrinking. I believe the SEC is doing OK.

I'll be sure not to hire you as an analyst ;-)

SEC is Birmingham not Muntgumree

Comparing city limits proper is ridiculous. The Orlando Metro dwarfs Greensboro and as you stated air travel is a huge factor in selecting where to locate a conference HQ.

Airports are a red-herring. The conference will use the nearest executive jet port most of the time. Take RDU in Raleigh - wheels with planes come and go from Raleigh Exec Airport located 25 miles south of RDU near a town named Sanford.

Orlando Exec Airport is near downtown Orlando.

For Charlotte they likely use Concord/Padget

Mostly true but not everyone flies corp jets...commercial airports do matter.