Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Stupid.

As that article in the other thread quoted from the Chinese philosopher, when you have your opponent beaten, offer him a golden bridge to retreat on.

And I would think that our history going back to South Vietnam and JFK's coup there should tell us that regime change is very difficult and not necessarily to our benefit.

And in the case of Russia, I don't think anybody reasonable thinks that Putin is unpopular among the mass of the Russian people.

I don't think that trying to humiliate a narcissist like Putin or Obama, is really a strategy that is effective.

(03-26-2022 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Stupid.

As that article in the other thread quoted from the Chinese philosopher, when you have your opponent beaten, offer him a golden bridge to retreat on.

And I would think that our history going back to South Vietnam and JFK's coup there should tell us that regime change is very difficult and not necessarily to our benefit.

And in the case of Russia, I don't think anybody reasonable thinks that Putin is unpopular among the mass of the Russian people.

I don't think that trying to humiliate a narcissist like Putin or Obama, is really a strategy that is effective.

Yup. Its one thing for some random Senator to say that---the president has to think much more strategically. The goal here is an off ramp for Putin to avoid any escalation. I dont see how Bidens comments help that---and now the Biden clean up on aisle three is apparently already underway. A White House spokesman put out a statement saying President Houseplant was NOT a calling for regime change....


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/whi...022-03-26/

(03-26-2022 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Stupid.

As that article in the other thread quoted from the Chinese philosopher, when you have your opponent beaten, offer him a golden bridge to retreat on.

And I would think that our history going back to South Vietnam and JFK's coup there should tell us that regime change is very difficult and not necessarily to our benefit.

And in the case of Russia, I don't think anybody reasonable thinks that Putin is unpopular among the mass of the Russian people.

I don't think that trying to humiliate a narcissist like Putin or Obama, is really a strategy that is effective.

Agree

Dumb move on Sloes* part, but of course that’s what he’s famous for.

Pootie’s having a tough go of it already, dummy up and let things play out as they will.
Threatening a tyrant isn’t going to cow the guy into retreat. Likely quite the opposite.

Good way to get a “hold my beer, watch THIS!” Response.

But, alas.

Stupid is as stupid does. 81 Million* voted for stupid, now we got ‘em.

(03-26-2022 02:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Stupid.

As that article in the other thread quoted from the Chinese philosopher, when you have your opponent beaten, offer him a golden bridge to retreat on.

And I would think that our history going back to South Vietnam and JFK's coup there should tell us that regime change is very difficult and not necessarily to our benefit.

And in the case of Russia, I don't think anybody reasonable thinks that Putin is unpopular among the mass of the Russian people.

I don't think that trying to humiliate a narcissist like Putin or Obama, is really a strategy that is effective.

Agree

Dumb move on Sloes* part, but of course that’s what he’s famous for.

Pootie’s having a tough go of it already, dummy up and let things play out as they will.
Threatening a tyrant isn’t going to cow the guy into retreat. Likely quite the opposite.

Good way to get a “hold my beer, watch THIS!” Response.

But, alas.

Stupid is as stupid does. 81 Million* voted for stupid, now we got ‘em.

Yeah those 75 million + 6 million dead people and fake voters thought that Trump buttering up Putin was admiring him instead of playing him. They thought it was best to do mean sound bites about Putin.
And that is something I've said for a long time. President Trump's approach to Putin was the way to work with him.

Biden Speech in Poland Falls Flat and the WH Has to Scramble to Clean Things Up

Quote:They sent Joe Biden to Poland hoping, I think, to try to make him into a wartime president, to draft off the Zelensky effect, and save his polls (that are in the basement) before the midterms.

On Saturday, they had Biden give a speech that was supposed to harken back to John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan in standing up to the Soviet Union. This was how they were pitching it.

Now, I don’t know whether this was supposed to be a joke or just Joe Biden being Joe Biden and his mind going again, but he told them to be seated, but there were no seats. Not the speech for a joke.

Biden quoted Pope John Paul II and how he stood up against the Soviet Union. “Be not afraid,” he said quoting John Paul. He spat angry words about Putin, and he did warn him not to move into Poland. But he said nothing new. It was like a simulation of a meaningful speech, without the real weight behind it.

Part of the problem was that Joe Biden is neither Reagan nor JFK, he’s not standing near the Berlin Wall. He didn’t have the skill to deliver what they wanted him to deliver.

But the other problem behind it was that it left out some key things that animated their fight against the Soviet Union’s oppression. Biden compared the fight against the Soviet Union to the fight today with Russia and Vladimir Putin and termed them both autocracies. But there was a big word he left out, a word he seemed to refuse to say, a word that animated that fight for decades — that’s Communism. We were in a huge battle for the free world against Communism. We were fighting its spread around the world — that that was a huge factor in John Paul’s thought and the thought of the Polish people. But Biden can’t even say the word or be honest about it.

I suspect there’s a big reason he left it out. It’s because now we are fighting that battle at home against the radical left and he is helping that cause with a lot of his actions. That wouldn’t fit the narrative he’s trying to sell now with the comparison he’s trying to make. It also would antagonize the folks on the left.

Biden also spoke about fossil fuels and reducing Europe’s reliance upon Russia, and made the greater (crazy point) about moving away from fossil fuels.

Yet, by lifting the sanctions on Nord Stream 2 back in May of last year, Biden did the opposite and hurt Ukraine in the process. Unlike President Donald Trump, who spoke out against that reliance — warning what it could lead to — Biden seems only to be coming to this realization now, after Russia has invaded Ukraine yet again. He also leaves out who we would be dependent on for those materials needed for our electric vehicles. China has a big hold on lithium that’s important, for example. So if you’re trying to talk about “independence,” be honest. Also, be honest about how his policies have adversely affected our energy prices and don’t just blame Vladimir Putin. This isn’t going to go over well with Americans.

Finally, Biden made an interesting sound bite that a lot of the media is pushing, likely thinking it sounded tough.

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” he said, regarding Putin. Probably it will go past most of the media, but is he advocating regime change? We’ve already seen him say a bunch of problematic and/or conflicting things during his time overseas, including that sanctions don’t deter and seeming to indicate that troops might be going to Ukraine. The White House had to clean up that latter statement.

So is this just a random comment/appeal? Or is this a policy that he’s acting on in some fashion? Of course, with Biden, he says so many random things, it’s hard to know but this appeared to be a purposeful inclusion, so what are they trying to say with it? He now has also handed Putin a propaganda point that he can use with his people, saying they’re trying to get rid of me.

The White House is once again having to scramble to clarify what he meant in a scripted speech.

Of course, that isn’t what he said.

The United States is the leader of the free world because we’ve fought for freedom and stood against oppression. We showed that with someone like Reagan and his work with John Paul II, which helped to free the world. But that requires clarity of purpose and thought. Unfortunately, I don’t think we have the clarity of purpose or thought at the top at the moment.

Was Biden talking about himself when he said, "this man cannot remain in power."

Probably not. He knows he's not in power. Scary thing is, nobody seems to know who really is.

What an embarrassment. The entire world is laughing at us.

(03-26-2022 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Stupid.

As that article in the other thread quoted from the Chinese philosopher, when you have your opponent beaten, offer him a golden bridge to retreat on.

And I would think that our history going back to South Vietnam and JFK's coup there should tell us that regime change is very difficult and not necessarily to our benefit.

And in the case of Russia, I don't think anybody reasonable thinks that Putin is unpopular among the mass of the Russian people.

I don't think that trying to humiliate a narcissist like Putin or Obama, is really a strategy that is effective.

I think Trump already pointed that out.

https://supermacro.substack.com/p/regime...s-nuts?s=r

"...Why then does Biden think it makes sense to call in effect for Putin’s removal from power, trial, and lifelong detention or execution for war crimes? None of these things is remotely likely to happen and they make negotiation much more difficult.

Most Americans can grasp this concept even if the highly credentialed bobos running our foreign policy cannot. If you want to buy a used car, does it make sense to call up the salesman in advance and call him a scumbag, even if he is one?

Kid having trouble at school? Does it make sense to start a campaign to fire the principal before asking him for favorable consideration?

Want the neighbor to keep his dog off your lawn? Do you start off by telling him he should move?

Biden goaded Putin into war, saying “he has to do something,” and is now goading him into more aggressive action.

Biden and his enablers in both parties are being driven by the discredited fantasy that they can install neoliberalism and wokeness abroad, and that American power and money are limitless. Catastrophic failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria apparently haven’t given pause to the woke crusaders...."

You Dems elected a real winner in Biden. Nice job.

Biden* is just reading the NWO bulls hit off the teleprompter. The Dementia King is just a compliant tool for his controllers hiding behind the scenes.

81m votes my @ss.

(03-26-2022 03:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  Was Biden talking about himself when he said, "this man cannot remain in power."

Probably not. He knows he's not in power. Scary thing is, nobody seems to know who really is.

I have a pretty good idea.

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Note the Kremlin's response - 'Biden doesn't get to do that the Russian people do.' First I don't recall the "Russian people" having that choice. Second the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is amazing considering the Russian army is in Ukraine trying to overthrow a democratically elected leader. Third is about time someone said this ---- out loud rather than just think it. Putin is killing untold thousands of innocent people. He's killing children. You don't play polite and you don't pull rhetorical punches with a butcher like that.

(03-26-2022 09:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Biden just called for regime change in Russia. He just said Putin cannot remain in power.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrain...1089bfa516

Note the Kremlin's response - 'Biden doesn't get to do that the Russian people do.' First I don't recall the "Russian people" having that choice. Second the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is amazing considering the Russian army is in Ukraine trying to overthrow a democratically elected leader. Third is about time someone said this ---- out loud rather than just think it. Putin is killing untold thousands of innocent people. He's killing children. You don't play polite and you don't pull rhetorical punches with a butcher like that.

The Russian people do get to vote. And there is little doubt Putin would win a free and fair election. Of course the media is slanted. Certain unacceptable opposition people are jailed or kept off the ballot. Ballot boxes are likely stuffed. But that just means the win is bigger than it otherwise would have been. The liberals are discredited in the countryside after the robber barons of the 90s made money while everyone else was poor.

This afternoon I was talking to a friend about the last goof by Biden where he was talking to the group of 82nd Airborne about the pain and suffering of the Ukrainian people and how they would soon see it when they were there. Flipped the channel just in time to see this one about regime change. Thankfully the whole world knows Biden is at times in his own world devoid of reality. It's scary, especially considering Harris and Pelosi are in the line of succession and are in no way qualified to lead a country. I hate wishing time away, but 2024 needs to get here.

I doubt seriously Russian elections are free and fair. With poisoning, jailed opposition, curtailed freedom of speech, and the information bubble all behind Putin's ~25 years of dictatorship. Not an election but see how he's handling his current "special operation" - Maybe Putin doesn't make it is obvious as Saddam Hussein and receive 100% of 12 million votes cast - (this isn't a joke) - but with all of the above I don't think anyone's going to contend that Putin is legitimate. Legitimate dictators - even if that isn't contradictory - allow a free press and don't poison, intimidate, and jail their opponents.

(03-27-2022 10:01 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I doubt seriously Russian elections are free and fair. With poisoning, jailed opposition, curtailed freedom of speech, and the information bubble all behind Putin's ~25 years of dictatorship. Not an election but see how he's handling his current "special operation" - Maybe Putin doesn't make it is obvious as Saddam Hussein and receive 100% of 12 million votes cast - (this isn't a joke) - but with all of the above I don't think anyone's going to contend that Putin is legitimate. Legitimate dictators - even if that isn't contradictory - allow a free press and don't poison, intimidate, and jail their opponents.

I think you're right that Russian elections are not fully free & fair, but bullet is also correct that Putin would still win if they were. I'm really not sure why he bothers to cheat since he would likely win with 50-60ish% percent in a free vote vs. 70ish% after the fix. Maybe just to establish authoritarian democracy as the norm in case his popularity falls and he does need to rely upon a rigged election someday, or more likely his preferred successor might need to.

Biden's stupidity and senility are going to lead to disasters. On his worst day, Trump's tweets and mouth were brilliant compared to this moron that is President now. Way to go Dems. Nice job.

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