(02-23-2022 08:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:11 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-22-2022 07:15 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  I think after last night, to me anyway, it’s clear who the top two teams in the league are. Every single possession in the Seattle/NMSU game was a dogfight. Great game and effort from both teams. I actually liked the refs in the one. Felt like they called the obvious fouls but for the most part let them play. Except for their reviews lol they took their time with those. At least they got them right I guess.

(02-22-2022 10:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  All things being equal, NMSU has the strongest basketball program in the WAC. Last year, NMSU had more obstacles to hurdle than the average program. Jans is a very good coach and a solid recruiter of talent. And that for the most part translates to his team performance.

I will say I am very impressed with the way Chris Victor has navigated the Seattle program this season. If he can recruit as well as he can coach, Seattle better lock him up to a multiyear contract. The question... is this team Redhawk team performing better for Victor than they would have for Hayford, if Hayford language hadn't upset the team? Or, would Hayford's head coaching experience made this Seattle team even better?

To be honest, I thought Seattle would be improved this season with Cam Tyson joining the team. But I didn't think they would be this formidable. I thought GCU and SFA was going to be NMSU's main competition this season.

Curious if the Seattle fans think they will be able to retain Victor? Tbh, his performance this season could make him a hot commodity.

Nah. They will wait and see if he can recruit. It’s a lot harder than stepping in and just not screwing up the team someone else built for you. Well, maybe a really low level program who can’t attract good coaches might take a chance on him, but it won’t be a place that’s much of a step up, if any.

I think the coaching Victor has displayed far outweighs any recruitment skills that still need to be proved. It is even more impressive to step in to a team you did not build and gain their trust and buy-in to play as hard for you as the Seattle players are.

(02-24-2022 08:55 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:11 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-22-2022 07:15 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  I think after last night, to me anyway, it’s clear who the top two teams in the league are. Every single possession in the Seattle/NMSU game was a dogfight. Great game and effort from both teams. I actually liked the refs in the one. Felt like they called the obvious fouls but for the most part let them play. Except for their reviews lol they took their time with those. At least they got them right I guess.

(02-22-2022 10:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  All things being equal, NMSU has the strongest basketball program in the WAC. Last year, NMSU had more obstacles to hurdle than the average program. Jans is a very good coach and a solid recruiter of talent. And that for the most part translates to his team performance.

I will say I am very impressed with the way Chris Victor has navigated the Seattle program this season. If he can recruit as well as he can coach, Seattle better lock him up to a multiyear contract. The question... is this team Redhawk team performing better for Victor than they would have for Hayford, if Hayford language hadn't upset the team? Or, would Hayford's head coaching experience made this Seattle team even better?

To be honest, I thought Seattle would be improved this season with Cam Tyson joining the team. But I didn't think they would be this formidable. I thought GCU and SFA was going to be NMSU's main competition this season.

Curious if the Seattle fans think they will be able to retain Victor? Tbh, his performance this season could make him a hot commodity.

Nah. They will wait and see if he can recruit. It’s a lot harder than stepping in and just not screwing up the team someone else built for you. Well, maybe a really low level program who can’t attract good coaches might take a chance on him, but it won’t be a place that’s much of a step up, if any.

I think the coaching Victor has displayed far outweighs any recruitment skills that still need to be proved. It is even more impressive to step in to a team you did not build and gain their trust and buy-in to play as hard for you as the Seattle players are.

If you believe coaching ability is more important than recruiting ability, then I suggest you look at the record Pat Knight had at Texas Tech followed by Lamar. Pat inherited a good situation at Tech but was unable to recruit players to keep it going. At Lamar he took the previous coaches recruits and reached the NCAA tourney with them but in less than two years the talent level fell to where he only had three wins on the season when he was fired with maybe five games left. I saw him coach at Lamar, and he was a pretty good in game coach. Currently I would watch Wichita State coach Isaac Brown. He had a great year last year in a similar situation to Victor, but I think the jury is still out as although he only had a couple of players to replace this year the team hasn't had the same kind of success. I do not mean to imply that I think Brown is on the hot seat or that he might not be a good recruiter, but one year either way doesn't tell what his abilities are or may become.

(02-24-2022 03:01 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 08:55 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:11 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-22-2022 07:15 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  I think after last night, to me anyway, it’s clear who the top two teams in the league are. Every single possession in the Seattle/NMSU game was a dogfight. Great game and effort from both teams. I actually liked the refs in the one. Felt like they called the obvious fouls but for the most part let them play. Except for their reviews lol they took their time with those. At least they got them right I guess.

(02-22-2022 10:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  All things being equal, NMSU has the strongest basketball program in the WAC. Last year, NMSU had more obstacles to hurdle than the average program. Jans is a very good coach and a solid recruiter of talent. And that for the most part translates to his team performance.

I will say I am very impressed with the way Chris Victor has navigated the Seattle program this season. If he can recruit as well as he can coach, Seattle better lock him up to a multiyear contract. The question... is this team Redhawk team performing better for Victor than they would have for Hayford, if Hayford language hadn't upset the team? Or, would Hayford's head coaching experience made this Seattle team even better?

To be honest, I thought Seattle would be improved this season with Cam Tyson joining the team. But I didn't think they would be this formidable. I thought GCU and SFA was going to be NMSU's main competition this season.

Curious if the Seattle fans think they will be able to retain Victor? Tbh, his performance this season could make him a hot commodity.

Nah. They will wait and see if he can recruit. It’s a lot harder than stepping in and just not screwing up the team someone else built for you. Well, maybe a really low level program who can’t attract good coaches might take a chance on him, but it won’t be a place that’s much of a step up, if any.

I think the coaching Victor has displayed far outweighs any recruitment skills that still need to be proved. It is even more impressive to step in to a team you did not build and gain their trust and buy-in to play as hard for you as the Seattle players are.

If you believe coaching ability is more important than recruiting ability, then I suggest you look at the record Pat Knight had at Texas Tech followed by Lamar. Pat inherited a good situation at Tech but was unable to recruit players to keep it going. At Lamar he took the previous coaches recruits and reached the NCAA tourney with them but in less than two years the talent level fell to where he only had three wins on the season when he was fired with maybe five games left. I saw him coach at Lamar, and he was a pretty good in game coach. Currently I would watch Wichita State coach Isaac Brown. He had a great year last year in a similar situation to Victor, but I think the jury is still out as although he only had a couple of players to replace this year the team hasn't had the same kind of success. I do not mean to imply that I think Brown is on the hot seat or that he might not be a good recruiter, but one year either way doesn't tell what his abilities are or may become.

This anecdotal evidence doesn't do much for me but hey, I am basing my stance on a hunch. I think it's a little of both but it appears Victor could be an average recruiter and still get a lot out of his teams.

(02-24-2022 03:01 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 08:55 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:11 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-22-2022 07:15 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  I think after last night, to me anyway, it’s clear who the top two teams in the league are. Every single possession in the Seattle/NMSU game was a dogfight. Great game and effort from both teams. I actually liked the refs in the one. Felt like they called the obvious fouls but for the most part let them play. Except for their reviews lol they took their time with those. At least they got them right I guess.

(02-22-2022 10:19 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  All things being equal, NMSU has the strongest basketball program in the WAC. Last year, NMSU had more obstacles to hurdle than the average program. Jans is a very good coach and a solid recruiter of talent. And that for the most part translates to his team performance.

I will say I am very impressed with the way Chris Victor has navigated the Seattle program this season. If he can recruit as well as he can coach, Seattle better lock him up to a multiyear contract. The question... is this team Redhawk team performing better for Victor than they would have for Hayford, if Hayford language hadn't upset the team? Or, would Hayford's head coaching experience made this Seattle team even better?

To be honest, I thought Seattle would be improved this season with Cam Tyson joining the team. But I didn't think they would be this formidable. I thought GCU and SFA was going to be NMSU's main competition this season.

Curious if the Seattle fans think they will be able to retain Victor? Tbh, his performance this season could make him a hot commodity.

Nah. They will wait and see if he can recruit. It’s a lot harder than stepping in and just not screwing up the team someone else built for you. Well, maybe a really low level program who can’t attract good coaches might take a chance on him, but it won’t be a place that’s much of a step up, if any.

I think the coaching Victor has displayed far outweighs any recruitment skills that still need to be proved. It is even more impressive to step in to a team you did not build and gain their trust and buy-in to play as hard for you as the Seattle players are.

If you believe coaching ability is more important than recruiting ability, then I suggest you look at the record Pat Knight had at Texas Tech followed by Lamar. Pat inherited a good situation at Tech but was unable to recruit players to keep it going. At Lamar he took the previous coaches recruits and reached the NCAA tourney with them but in less than two years the talent level fell to where he only had three wins on the season when he was fired with maybe five games left. I saw him coach at Lamar, and he was a pretty good in game coach. Currently I would watch Wichita State coach Isaac Brown. He had a great year last year in a similar situation to Victor, but I think the jury is still out as although he only had a couple of players to replace this year the team hasn't had the same kind of success. I do not mean to imply that I think Brown is on the hot seat or that he might not be a good recruiter, but one year either way doesn't tell what his abilities are or may become.

Paul Weir (aka Dr. Judas Arnold) could recruit. He had some fantastic gets for NMSU. At NuM, he regularly recruited 4 star players, guys from Ohio State, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. And those guys could play. But he could not coach a dog to eat its dinner even if it was starving. It is also possible to have top recruiters on your staff. Menzies was a top recruiter for Pitino (the good coach, not the bad one at dumpster fire NuM) and Steve Fisher. Menzies wasn't a very good x's and o's coach.

(02-24-2022 04:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 03:01 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 08:55 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:11 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  Curious if the Seattle fans think they will be able to retain Victor? Tbh, his performance this season could make him a hot commodity.

Nah. They will wait and see if he can recruit. It’s a lot harder than stepping in and just not screwing up the team someone else built for you. Well, maybe a really low level program who can’t attract good coaches might take a chance on him, but it won’t be a place that’s much of a step up, if any.

I think the coaching Victor has displayed far outweighs any recruitment skills that still need to be proved. It is even more impressive to step in to a team you did not build and gain their trust and buy-in to play as hard for you as the Seattle players are.

If you believe coaching ability is more important than recruiting ability, then I suggest you look at the record Pat Knight had at Texas Tech followed by Lamar. Pat inherited a good situation at Tech but was unable to recruit players to keep it going. At Lamar he took the previous coaches recruits and reached the NCAA tourney with them but in less than two years the talent level fell to where he only had three wins on the season when he was fired with maybe five games left. I saw him coach at Lamar, and he was a pretty good in game coach. Currently I would watch Wichita State coach Isaac Brown. He had a great year last year in a similar situation to Victor, but I think the jury is still out as although he only had a couple of players to replace this year the team hasn't had the same kind of success. I do not mean to imply that I think Brown is on the hot seat or that he might not be a good recruiter, but one year either way doesn't tell what his abilities are or may become.

Paul Weir (aka Dr. Judas Arnold) could recruit. He had some fantastic gets for NMSU. At NuM, he regularly recruited 4 star players, guys from Ohio State, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. And those guys could play. But he could not coach a dog to eat its dinner even if it was starving. It is also possible to have top recruiters on your staff. Menzies was a top recruiter for Pitino (the good coach, not the bad one at dumpster fire NuM) and Steve Fisher. Menzies wasn't a very good x's and o's coach.

My point exactly it takes a combination of both in game x and o's and recruiting. If you are bad at either one you probably won't be more than mediocre. The good thing if the coach is good as a game coach is that maybe he or she can get a good recruiter for an assistant.

SFA up 4 over SHSU with 2:24 to go

Seattle losing to UVU in the 2nd half.

Sam Houston chocked big time.

Nice atmosphere at SFA tonight.

About to turn off the SU game. Atrocious.

40-53 4:16 left

ACU dominates Lamar 77-42. We started strong and never let up. We will need that energy again on Saturday. Sounds like the SHSU and SFA game was a doozy....

ACU takes down Lamar 77-42 and grabs 37 turnovers.

Watched Tarleton beat UTRGV, SFA beat Sam, UVU beat Seattle and finishing the evening with CBU vs Dixie.

Love me some WAC basketball!!!!

Cal Bap and Dixie is a slow game. I keep waiting for Dixie to come alive and look like the team they can be. Everything can’t go thru Schofield every possession. CBU looks scattered like they have all season, but Dixie not running their offense well. 5 point Cal Bap lead. 10 minutes left.

(02-24-2022 06:55 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 04:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 03:01 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 08:55 AM)pistolp747 Wrote:  

(02-23-2022 08:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  Nah. They will wait and see if he can recruit. It’s a lot harder than stepping in and just not screwing up the team someone else built for you. Well, maybe a really low level program who can’t attract good coaches might take a chance on him, but it won’t be a place that’s much of a step up, if any.

I think the coaching Victor has displayed far outweighs any recruitment skills that still need to be proved. It is even more impressive to step in to a team you did not build and gain their trust and buy-in to play as hard for you as the Seattle players are.

If you believe coaching ability is more important than recruiting ability, then I suggest you look at the record Pat Knight had at Texas Tech followed by Lamar. Pat inherited a good situation at Tech but was unable to recruit players to keep it going. At Lamar he took the previous coaches recruits and reached the NCAA tourney with them but in less than two years the talent level fell to where he only had three wins on the season when he was fired with maybe five games left. I saw him coach at Lamar, and he was a pretty good in game coach. Currently I would watch Wichita State coach Isaac Brown. He had a great year last year in a similar situation to Victor, but I think the jury is still out as although he only had a couple of players to replace this year the team hasn't had the same kind of success. I do not mean to imply that I think Brown is on the hot seat or that he might not be a good recruiter, but one year either way doesn't tell what his abilities are or may become.

Paul Weir (aka Dr. Judas Arnold) could recruit. He had some fantastic gets for NMSU. At NuM, he regularly recruited 4 star players, guys from Ohio State, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. And those guys could play. But he could not coach a dog to eat its dinner even if it was starving. It is also possible to have top recruiters on your staff. Menzies was a top recruiter for Pitino (the good coach, not the bad one at dumpster fire NuM) and Steve Fisher. Menzies wasn't a very good x's and o's coach.

My point exactly it takes a combination of both in game x and o's and recruiting. If you are bad at either one you probably won't be more than mediocre. The good thing if the coach is good as a game coach is that maybe he or she can get a good recruiter for an assistant.

That was my main point. A good in-game coach is more valuable than a good recruiter. You can hire assistants that are good recruiters. Victor is obviously a good X and o coach. Who cares how good of a recruiter he is.

Even with Armstrong, I expected Dixie to beat CBU in St George. They looked flat.

SFA and Utah Valley have some nice streaks going on. SFA has won 7 in a row, and UVU 5. Unfortunately, both are still on NM States remaining schedule. They’ll both be a challenge, and end of the year jockeying for position for seeding can be fierce. Makes things interesting for sure. If nothing else, it’ll make sure the Aggies stay on their toes.

I watched the SFA-SHSU game too. Solid atmosphere and entertaining game.

Chicago State has lead NMSU from start to half so far.

(02-26-2022 03:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Chicago State has lead NMSU from start to half so far.

I did say that Chicago State would take out a top team earlier in the season. I was hoping it wasn't going to be us but its looking like my prediction will hit NMSU.

Congrats Chicago State!!!!!!

Their first game we ever played them in the WAC and now the last game we will likely play them in the WAC both resulted in Chicago State wins. Congrats to them.