I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

I listened to the WAC Hoops interview this week with Sam’s beat writer (or TV guy?) and he remarked about how they had a good crowd for their SFA game. That is a rivalry game though, at least I think so. But it did sound like he didn’t expect big crowds for the NMSU/GCU games even though they are big games. For the amount of talent Sam has and the fact that they are playing two games that could put them up near first place in the conference I’m surprised they don’t get more support.

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

The last full pre-COVID season (2018-19), you had just over 1000 to 1300 fans on a nightly basis during conference play while school was in session.

The last Bob Marlin season (2009-10), you had crowds of 1500 to low 2000s as they competed for a league title. Earlier than in his tenure, there were nights you were getting upwards of 2000 to 3000 on some nights. The AD folks would clamor that they were routinely getting 10% of the student population (at the time) at games.

It's just not the same. There's truly some advertising/marketing issues and a disconnect with the athletic department on campus (some of this is associated with why the student vote failed in the fall - also tied to advertising/marketing problems).

Sam Houston is going to need to find a way to change the tune a little. The status quo is not working.

(01-21-2022 10:53 AM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

I listened to the WAC Hoops interview this week with Sam’s beat writer (or TV guy?) and he remarked about how they had a good crowd for their SFA game. That is a rivalry game though, at least I think so. But it did sound like he didn’t expect big crowds for the NMSU/GCU games even though they are big games. For the amount of talent Sam has and the fact that they are playing two games that could put them up near first place in the conference I’m surprised they don’t get more support.

Which season's SFA game? Because this year it was 1,100. I guess that's better than the 131 they had versus RGV. Maybe 1,100 is really a good crowd for them. If so, their athletics program serves virtually no purpose. Lamar is an old rival and it was a packed house of 214 people.

So the question moving forward will be which NMSU team will show up? Will it be the one that fought through the game. Or the one that folded up against USU and last night. All credit to Sam Houston last night, they wanted it more and were better. But NMSU did not play well.

(01-21-2022 11:25 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  So the question moving forward will be which NMSU team will show up? Will it be the one that fought through the game. Or the one that folded up against USU and last night. All credit to Sam Houston last night, they wanted it more and were better. But NMSU did not play well.

And, was it a one of things that just happens once in a great while, or does it show something deeper is wrong, because it was similar to the Utah State game in some ways. Quite a few games I have felt there was a lack of purpose, even if we were winning big.

Fun fact from last night’s Tarleton game, the reported attendance per the box score was 1899, which is the year Tarleton was founded.

(01-21-2022 11:04 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

The last full pre-COVID season (2018-19), you had just over 1000 to 1300 fans on a nightly basis during conference play while school was in session.

The last Bob Marlin season (2009-10), you had crowds of 1500 to low 2000s as they competed for a league title. Earlier than in his tenure, there were nights you were getting upwards of 2000 to 3000 on some nights. The AD folks would clamor that they were routinely getting 10% of the student population (at the time) at games.

It's just not the same. There's truly some advertising/marketing issues and a disconnect with the athletic department on campus (some of this is associated with why the student vote failed in the fall - also tied to advertising/marketing problems).

Sam Houston is going to need to find a way to change the tune a little. The status quo is not working.

Personally, probably time for Bobby to retire. Getting Ivey to replace Hill was big for us.


I've talked this over with Sam family members and I just don't see a real way to get it to jump up without rebuilding(recruiting, teaching, rewarding) the fanbase from the ground up.

(01-21-2022 12:13 AM)SammyH Wrote:  you have no power over SammyH, especially not tonight

If GCU and NMSU wins Saturday, what happened last night doesn't mean much.

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

They focus on winning on the field/court. Not wants in the stands. Something Tarpeton could learn from.

Also, they count butts in seats, not what the school buys to pump numbers up.

(01-21-2022 02:26 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:04 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

The last full pre-COVID season (2018-19), you had just over 1000 to 1300 fans on a nightly basis during conference play while school was in session.

The last Bob Marlin season (2009-10), you had crowds of 1500 to low 2000s as they competed for a league title. Earlier than in his tenure, there were nights you were getting upwards of 2000 to 3000 on some nights. The AD folks would clamor that they were routinely getting 10% of the student population (at the time) at games.

It's just not the same. There's truly some advertising/marketing issues and a disconnect with the athletic department on campus (some of this is associated with why the student vote failed in the fall - also tied to advertising/marketing problems).

Sam Houston is going to need to find a way to change the tune a little. The status quo is not working.

Personally, probably time for Bobby to retire. Getting Ivey to replace Hill was big for us.


I've talked this over with Sam family members and I just don't see a real way to get it to jump up without rebuilding(recruiting, teaching, rewarding) the fanbase from the ground up.

BW is a better AD than Ivey. Has a national championship under his belt, and got us FBS. Super Regional in baseball. He’s doing fine.

(01-21-2022 08:11 PM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 02:26 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:04 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

The last full pre-COVID season (2018-19), you had just over 1000 to 1300 fans on a nightly basis during conference play while school was in session.

The last Bob Marlin season (2009-10), you had crowds of 1500 to low 2000s as they competed for a league title. Earlier than in his tenure, there were nights you were getting upwards of 2000 to 3000 on some nights. The AD folks would clamor that they were routinely getting 10% of the student population (at the time) at games.

It's just not the same. There's truly some advertising/marketing issues and a disconnect with the athletic department on campus (some of this is associated with why the student vote failed in the fall - also tied to advertising/marketing problems).

Sam Houston is going to need to find a way to change the tune a little. The status quo is not working.

Personally, probably time for Bobby to retire. Getting Ivey to replace Hill was big for us.


I've talked this over with Sam family members and I just don't see a real way to get it to jump up without rebuilding(recruiting, teaching, rewarding) the fanbase from the ground up.

BW is a better AD than Ivey. Has a national championship under his belt, and got us FBS. Super Regional in baseball. He’s doing fine.

BW>Ivey? Yeah you’re out of your mind.

We average like 8,000 and 500 fans at football and basketball games. Attendance continues to plummet. There’s zero outreach towards getting alumni to games in Huntsville. We don’t market our teams to students and there’s zero interest from them. He’s neglected our basketball program for a solid decade now. That’s not even mentioning all the failed attempts at improving our football facilities. At the beginning of the 2010s, we were told an indoor practice facility would be build in the north lot, an alumni center would be built in the south end zone and the press box would be renovated. Go look at the masterplan from ‘07: he got none of it done.

You point out our on field success. That’s great. SFA doesn’t have that. Why does SFA consistently get better support than us? Bobby can’t get fans or students to buy in. That’s a big part of his job. If we’re going to draw any more than 10k and not make a fool of ourselves in CUSA, he needs to go. I’d take Ivey in a second. BW sucks. I promise that’s not an unpopular take with SHSU followers.

(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 08:11 PM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 02:26 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:04 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 10:22 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  I looked at the box score for the Sam/NMSU game and notice the attendance was 491. Students are back. Sam is a very good team and one of the best if not the best team in the conference visiting in the house and you cannot get 500 fans in the arena.

I am not wanting this to be a bag on Sam question, but what is up? I know there has been discussions about attendance at football games so is there just a general lack of spirit on the campus and in the community?

The last full pre-COVID season (2018-19), you had just over 1000 to 1300 fans on a nightly basis during conference play while school was in session.

The last Bob Marlin season (2009-10), you had crowds of 1500 to low 2000s as they competed for a league title. Earlier than in his tenure, there were nights you were getting upwards of 2000 to 3000 on some nights. The AD folks would clamor that they were routinely getting 10% of the student population (at the time) at games.

It's just not the same. There's truly some advertising/marketing issues and a disconnect with the athletic department on campus (some of this is associated with why the student vote failed in the fall - also tied to advertising/marketing problems).

Sam Houston is going to need to find a way to change the tune a little. The status quo is not working.

Personally, probably time for Bobby to retire. Getting Ivey to replace Hill was big for us.


I've talked this over with Sam family members and I just don't see a real way to get it to jump up without rebuilding(recruiting, teaching, rewarding) the fanbase from the ground up.

BW is a better AD than Ivey. Has a national championship under his belt, and got us FBS. Super Regional in baseball. He’s doing fine.

BW>Ivey? Yeah you’re out of your mind.

We average like 8,000 and 500 fans at football and basketball games. Attendance continues to plummet. There’s zero outreach towards getting alumni to games in Huntsville. We don’t market our teams to students and there’s zero interest from them. He’s neglected our basketball program for a solid decade now. That’s not even mentioning all the failed attempts at improving our football facilities. At the beginning of the 2010s, we were told an indoor practice facility would be build in the north lot, an alumni center would be built in the south end zone and the press box would be renovated. Go look at the masterplan from ‘07: he got none of it done.

You point out our on field success. That’s great. SFA doesn’t have that. Why does SFA consistently get better support than us? Bobby can’t get fans or students to buy in. That’s a big part of his job. If we’re going to draw any more than 10k and not make a fool of ourselves in CUSA, he needs to go. I’d take Ivey in a second. BW sucks. I promise that’s not an unpopular take with SHSU followers.

SFA basketball (their only relevant sport) has declined under Ivey). Facts matter.

(01-21-2022 10:30 PM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 09:49 PM)SammyH Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 08:11 PM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 02:26 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 11:04 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The last full pre-COVID season (2018-19), you had just over 1000 to 1300 fans on a nightly basis during conference play while school was in session.

The last Bob Marlin season (2009-10), you had crowds of 1500 to low 2000s as they competed for a league title. Earlier than in his tenure, there were nights you were getting upwards of 2000 to 3000 on some nights. The AD folks would clamor that they were routinely getting 10% of the student population (at the time) at games.

It's just not the same. There's truly some advertising/marketing issues and a disconnect with the athletic department on campus (some of this is associated with why the student vote failed in the fall - also tied to advertising/marketing problems).

Sam Houston is going to need to find a way to change the tune a little. The status quo is not working.

Personally, probably time for Bobby to retire. Getting Ivey to replace Hill was big for us.


I've talked this over with Sam family members and I just don't see a real way to get it to jump up without rebuilding(recruiting, teaching, rewarding) the fanbase from the ground up.

BW is a better AD than Ivey. Has a national championship under his belt, and got us FBS. Super Regional in baseball. He’s doing fine.

BW>Ivey? Yeah you’re out of your mind.

We average like 8,000 and 500 fans at football and basketball games. Attendance continues to plummet. There’s zero outreach towards getting alumni to games in Huntsville. We don’t market our teams to students and there’s zero interest from them. He’s neglected our basketball program for a solid decade now. That’s not even mentioning all the failed attempts at improving our football facilities. At the beginning of the 2010s, we were told an indoor practice facility would be build in the north lot, an alumni center would be built in the south end zone and the press box would be renovated. Go look at the masterplan from ‘07: he got none of it done.

You point out our on field success. That’s great. SFA doesn’t have that. Why does SFA consistently get better support than us? Bobby can’t get fans or students to buy in. That’s a big part of his job. If we’re going to draw any more than 10k and not make a fool of ourselves in CUSA, he needs to go. I’d take Ivey in a second. BW sucks. I promise that’s not an unpopular take with SHSU followers.

SFA basketball (their only relevant sport) has declined under Ivey). Facts matter.

Facts. And their football stinks too. We’re the Champions. And yet they still drew more fans than us this year. BW literally can’t market or draw alumni to watch a national champion. We drew 5,000 fans for a game this year.

You seem to be under the impression that winning matters. It doesn’t anymore. We’re G5 now. It no longer matters. It’s about stuff like facilities, attendance, donations and exposure. Bobby Williams hasn’t given two ***** about that **** for three decades. We’re the next Idaho or NMST if he sticks around.

We’re about to be the butt of attendance and stadium jokes around the nation. But **** yeah, SUPER REGIONAL PARTICIPANTS 2017! Bobby did that!

NMSU pulling away from SFA with 1:30 left. They are up by 14, much more balanced effort.

Sam Houston proved they can win at home but the question is can they win on the road?

Winning on the road is going to be tough and New Mexico State just picked up a huge road win. SFA is probably not going to lose another game at home this season.

(01-22-2022 05:10 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  Winning on the road is going to be tough and New Mexico State just picked up a huge road win. SFA is probably not going to lose another game at home this season.

Neither of these teams are good.

(01-22-2022 05:10 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  Sam Houston proved they can win at home but the question is can they win on the road?

GCU proved they can't win on the road, lets see if they can win on a neutral site in Vegas. Texas schools are coming. Sorry you have competition in the conference now.

(01-22-2022 05:19 PM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-22-2022 05:10 PM)KINGALLISON Wrote:  Sam Houston proved they can win at home but the question is can they win on the road?

GCU proved they can't win on the road, lets see if they can win on a neutral site in Vegas. Texas schools are coming. Sorry you have competition in the conference now.

SH hasn't proved they can win on the road either. The only team who has a proven road record is New Mexico State.