(01-06-2022 12:47 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 12:39 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  UTA isn't the hottest team around, but a 40k person state school with basketball history 20 minutes from a giant airport?

Almost a no brainer for the WAC. And our SFA DFW alums will like an annual basketball and other sports game, as will the coaches.

But I do wonder what the Wac's strategy is. Obviously you can't help getting poached, but do future teams come from the Mountain Time Zone? Are there any? Continuing to expand in Texas/OK/Ark region?

Do the western contingent worry about a conference that will now be majority Texas?

Strategy and tactics sometimes have to be altered to reflect facts on the ground. Fact: persuading western schools to join the WAC has not not gibe well. Virtuality every Big Sky school has closed the door in our faces.

There’s an argument to be made that the WAC would be better off trying to entice GNAC (D-2) schools than Big Sky. But there’s a drop off in budgets involved with Central Washington (to some degree) and Western Oregon (to a massive degree), despite the fact that current GNAC schools are burdened with Alaska travel. And that’s too far north for what Texas wants. I only suggest those two because they have football and will be FB-only members of the Lone Star starting this fall, creating a “well, what’s the difference” argument.

(Narrator: “There’s a difference.”)

https://www.tarleton.edu/library/crossti...P9FpIAge44

(01-06-2022 01:33 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  An example of the unbalanced schedule, Tarleton will play Utah Valley twice and Dixie once. For the conference standings, we have a harder schedule because we are playing the stronger team twice and the weaker team once. For Utah Valley, they are playing Tarleton twice and ACU once. Again they get the weaker team twice and the stronger team once. This gives UVU an easier schedule and path for tournament seedlings. If we have a balanced league, everyone plays the same teams the same number of times.

And yes, I know we are not eligible for the tournament this year but we are next year.

This will happen in any league that is too large for a round robin though.

Southland had some wicked stupid tie breakers if you played a team once vs twice, etc.

Kenpom did an interesting tie breaker stat for conference standing though that rewarded teams for playing tougher teams an even number of times. I'll have to see if I can find the article.

UTA needs to bring back football.

(01-06-2022 03:07 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  UTA needs to bring back football.

UTA doesn’t need to bring back football. They can barely get 2,000 to a basketball game in a new arena. Who from the school is going to attend games going up against Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, and UNT games are going on? UTA should concentrate on basketball and baseball. They don’t need to be a 30th choice in Metroplex football.

(01-06-2022 03:36 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:07 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  UTA needs to bring back football.

UTA doesn’t need to bring back football. They can barely get 2,000 to a basketball game in a new arena. Who from the school is going to attend games going up against Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, and UNT games are going on? UTA should concentrate on basketball and baseball. They don’t need to be a 30th choice in Metroplex football.

Not necessarily. Consider that if they do and they join the WAC, they will getting their fans plus the fans of the other Texas schools in the WAC they are playing on that day. Dallas is going to have large stocks of fans for all the other Texas schools.

Covid disrupted, but there was a recent feasibility study for the return of Mavs Football:

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/art...02711.html

(01-06-2022 03:36 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:07 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  UTA needs to bring back football.

UTA doesn’t need to bring back football. They can barely get 2,000 to a basketball game in a new arena. Who from the school is going to attend games going up against Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, and UNT games are going on? UTA should concentrate on basketball and baseball. They don’t need to be a 30th choice in Metroplex football.

A&M and UT are not in the Metroplex. Your .02 from the non-football outlier perspective is comical. Stay in your lane.

(01-06-2022 04:17 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:36 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:07 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  UTA needs to bring back football.

UTA doesn’t need to bring back football. They can barely get 2,000 to a basketball game in a new arena. Who from the school is going to attend games going up against Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, and UNT games are going on? UTA should concentrate on basketball and baseball. They don’t need to be a 30th choice in Metroplex football.

A&M and UT are not in the Metroplex. Your .02 from the non-football outlier perspective is comical. Stay in your lane.

I would be thrilled to death if UTA brought back football at the FCS level. But I am not delusional enough not to recognize that UT, A&M, TT, OU and even Arkansas have more fans and influence in the metroplex than anybody else.

(01-06-2022 04:17 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:36 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:07 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  UTA needs to bring back football.

UTA doesn’t need to bring back football. They can barely get 2,000 to a basketball game in a new arena. Who from the school is going to attend games going up against Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, and UNT games are going on? UTA should concentrate on basketball and baseball. They don’t need to be a 30th choice in Metroplex football.

A&M and UT are not in the Metroplex. Your .02 from the non-football outlier perspective is comical. Stay in your lane.

No ****, they’re not in the Metroplex. They have tons of fans that are though. You can walk into any Academy there and get their merchandise. Probably have no Tarleton gear though.

(01-06-2022 04:27 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 04:17 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:36 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 03:07 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  UTA needs to bring back football.

UTA doesn’t need to bring back football. They can barely get 2,000 to a basketball game in a new arena. Who from the school is going to attend games going up against Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, SMU, and UNT games are going on? UTA should concentrate on basketball and baseball. They don’t need to be a 30th choice in Metroplex football.

A&M and UT are not in the Metroplex. Your .02 from the non-football outlier perspective is comical. Stay in your lane.

I would be thrilled to death if UTA brought back football at the FCS level. But I am not delusional enough not to recognize that UT, A&M, TT, OU and even Arkansas have more fans and influence in the metroplex than anybody else.

It's fun to see an SMU guy on the WAC board. A lot of us in Arlington are itching to get football back, and I feel it is only a matter of time. As for potential budget, UTA has over 48,000 students, and they are paying only $8.50/semester hour for athletics fee, less than 1/3 the rate at peer universities like Texas State and UNT. If the students want it, they can pass another athletics referendum, as they did in 2004 (that led to the construction of College Park Center). Like you, I'm tired of all the talk and want to see some action.

Here's our petition that has been up for about a week. Feel free to sign! https://chng.it/8KscVPkSdc

(01-06-2022 04:09 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Covid disrupted, but there was a recent feasibility study for the return of Mavs Football:

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/art...02711.html

That article is behind a paywall. The only study I’m familiar with is the one from 2004.

https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1...21697?s=21

In a way you can visibly see... Arlington is a former WAC member and has had 'prior relations' with quite a few teams in the conference.

This will be good for SFA recruiting and alums in the DFW area I think.

(01-12-2022 02:52 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  This will be good for SFA recruiting and alums in the DFW area I think.

You could probably the say the same about any of the Texas schools in the WAC.

Playing regularly in the DFW market is a good thing for any of the Texas schools and I think UTRGV in particular has to be ecstatic about being in a league with a school in San Antonio (UIW) and DFW (Arlington) compared to their years of wandering the desert so to speak without getting to expose themselves, their brand as much across the state.

I'm sorry to all the western schools. Another nail in your collective coffins.

(01-12-2022 02:52 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  This will be good for SFA recruiting and alums in the DFW area I think.

How will it help the alums?

The WAC is turning less WAC

(01-12-2022 05:10 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  The WAC is turning less WAC

And that could turn into a huge problem for the Western members. The Texans joined DESPITE the schools out West, and immediately wanted things tilted for them so they wouldn't have to bother travelling out there much. If that wasn't a big red flag, it should have been.