I personally think the SEC teams should be required to play one game above the Mason-Dixon after October.

(01-02-2022 12:58 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 06:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

College football has always been dominated by an elite that gets the most talent. Before Saban, it was Urban Meyer and Pete Carroll with talented juggernauts at USC and Florida. In the 1990s, it was Florida and FSU and Nebraska, and so on.

It's cyclical, Saban won't be at Alabama forever.

Agree with your comments, but there was a little more parity at the top before all of this.

There really has never been a ton of parity. The only times you see a real shift is when there’s a vacuum of power in a region of the country and a team steps up to fill that void. So in that situation, you’ll see Penn State or another program like that make a name for themselves.

I’m not sure where the new parity is going to come from with high school football going down the tubes all around the country

(01-02-2022 04:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-02-2022 12:58 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 06:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

College football has always been dominated by an elite that gets the most talent. Before Saban, it was Urban Meyer and Pete Carroll with talented juggernauts at USC and Florida. In the 1990s, it was Florida and FSU and Nebraska, and so on.

It's cyclical, Saban won't be at Alabama forever.

Agree with your comments, but there was a little more parity at the top before all of this.

There really has never been a ton of parity. The only times you see a real shift is when there’s a vacuum of power in a region of the country and a team steps up to fill that void. So in that situation, you’ll see Penn State or another program like that make a name for themselves.

I’m not sure where the new parity is going to come from with high school football going down the tubes all around the country

Care to elaborate on what's going on with HS football? I'm guessing COVID related but I have no clue since I've been overseas for the past few years.

I feel like once Saban leaves there will be more parity within the SEC atleast for a year or two until another conference takes advantage. The best thing to do right now is expanding to 8 teams for the Playoffs. There will be more chances for a non-SEC team to knock off the likes of Alabama/Georgia before reaching the Title game

(01-02-2022 04:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I personally think the SEC teams should be required to play one game above the Mason-Dixon after October.

And when they win that too you'd find something new to whine about

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

I agree with this. College football FBS needs to be fixed but what stands in the way is this necessity to stay unique and different from other sports and in particular the NFL. Things like "Oh we need to keep the bowl games" or "G5 schools don't need to be separated from the P5" will prevent this sport from becoming the best version of itself.

I heard conversation today on ESPNU Radio from some that don't understand why people have such an issue with teams like Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio St being so dominate when teams like Golden St, New England, the old Boston Celtics, the Bulls and others have been dominate at one time in their sports? My response would be as dominate as those teams were, they were teams that could compete with them. The divide between the top 4-5 teams in college football and the other teams is massive.

But until leadership starts to address the issues the sport will never gain the audience it truly could have and that saddens me.

(01-02-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

I agree with this. College football FBS needs to be fixed but what stands in the way is this necessity to stay unique and different from other sports and in particular the NFL. Things like "Oh we need to keep the bowl games" or "G5 schools don't need to be separated from the P5" will prevent this sport from becoming the best version of itself.

I heard conversation today on ESPNU Radio from some that don't understand why people have such an issue with teams like Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio St being so dominate when teams like Golden St, New England, the old Boston Celtics, the Bulls and others have been dominate at one time in their sports? My response would be as dominate as those teams were, they were teams that could compete with them. The divide between the top 4-5 teams in college football and the other teams is massive.

But until leadership starts to address the issues the sport will never gain the audience it truly could have and that saddens me.

All good points.

The tricky question is: who is leadership?

It’s not the NCAA.

SEC is trying to position as a de facto leader to dictate how everything plays out.

This is exactly why the Alliance was formed. To make sure that Ps 2,3,4 get a fair shake when next round of rules are created.

The NFL proved that the best rules are those that promote parity rather than dynasty. College Football will likely never reach that because it will never annoint a leader who truly believes that. But plenty of the top schools will still do just fine.

(01-01-2022 02:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 03:20 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Texas is going to finish mid-level, at best, most seasons.

They should stay put in Big 12 and be a big dog there vs. chum for Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, etc. in the SEC.

Georgia and Alabama were the top of FBS, but rest of SEC did not fair well in bowls.

G5 was 6-0 vs P5 in bowls, excluding playoff game (which I don't count as part of the bowl games).

Texas has all the money in the world which means nothing ever stops them from doing nearly anything they want. what they want… I see UT overtaking A&M and many other SEC programs soon after they join the SEC which to me in many forms is a translation of a new sheriff in (SEC) town something Alabama is not accustomed to.

I think you right, Texas will be a middle of the pack but not for long.

Yikes… Can’t believe myself for saying this of UT

If you think Texas is going to come to the $EC and start doing anything they want, you are going to be sadly mistaken. The $EC ain't the B12 where Texas was the big dog. There are a number of teams in that conference that have had more success than Texas, especially in recent years. I think they are in for a rude awakening.

There should be a split, the 130 FBS teams should form two leagues with a mixture of the 10 conferences

(01-02-2022 10:26 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

I agree with this. College football FBS needs to be fixed but what stands in the way is this necessity to stay unique and different from other sports and in particular the NFL. Things like "Oh we need to keep the bowl games" or "G5 schools don't need to be separated from the P5" will prevent this sport from becoming the best version of itself.

I heard conversation today on ESPNU Radio from some that don't understand why people have such an issue with teams like Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio St being so dominate when teams like Golden St, New England, the old Boston Celtics, the Bulls and others have been dominate at one time in their sports? My response would be as dominate as those teams were, they were teams that could compete with them. The divide between the top 4-5 teams in college football and the other teams is massive.

But until leadership starts to address the issues the sport will never gain the audience it truly could have and that saddens me.

I agree with your thoughts and it is sad.

The power brokers are horribly mismanaging a competitive sport by protecting privilege in order to consolidate revenue. In other words driving away competition. The proper way to manage a competitive entertainment product is putting an equitable system in place which increases competition which in turn creates a more viable product. The lack of vision by the gluttons will have them ruin a great sport and asking why in the end. The answer is greed!

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

The only way imo to save college football going forward is to cut the SEC off and stop its ability to continue to dominate college football. The only way to do so at this point is for a total isolation of the conference beginning with the P4 and G5 pulling away from the SEC going forward.
College football and it's ability to stay relevant is on the brink of self destruction. Outside the box thinking is needed to save it. The SEC should be isolated and lose its ability to maintain status quo. Only by forming a new league and excluding the SEC can college football be saved imo. It's time to collectively divorce the SEC on grounds of irreconcilable differences...

The only way to save CFB in the long run is to let the SEC+ select programs go full pro and split off to compete/complement the NFL as their feeder league.

College football can then have a full playoff. You would end up with an infinitely more enjoyable product as a whole, even if it would be slightly inferior to the quality of the pro league.

There is no saving college sports anymore. They are all dying a slow death. When it is all said and done it will be 30 teams tops left playing.

It's not cyclical when the SEC has won 11 of the last 15 college football championships. It stopped being cyclical quite a while ago.

(01-03-2022 02:28 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  There is no saving college sports anymore. They are all dying a slow death. When it is all said and done it will be 30 teams tops left playing.

the poor kids just need to get paid. remember that one.

the playoffs make it fair... remember that one.

no more scholarships or any form of consideration to play in college. thats the only way to save it. in other words, its over. its officially semi-pro ball. nfl lite.

punishing the SEC aint gonna fix it.

clt says the P5 and others should break away from SEC, just refuse to play them


also, it is dominant. Not dominate.

(01-03-2022 03:59 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says the P5 and others should break away from SEC, just refuse to play them


also, it is dominant. Not dominate.

The SEC has effectively done that for them. The SEC did the breaking

And that is why OU and UT are going to SEC. if you can’t beat them, join them. With all the money and attention those two will be able to compete with the top of SEC. Stay in Big12 and they would have fallen further behind.

(01-01-2022 05:33 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 05:29 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Lmao what? No it’s up to the rest of college football to catch up

This

It's cyclical and about who wants more. Remember when USC and Oregon were running circles around people?

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This is a completely different era in football now. The Sec by taking Texas and Oklahoma has consolidated its hold over College football for at least the next decade. This is not a matter of trying to catch up the top teams in the SEC, we saw a good Michigan team get man handled last night by UGA and they have recruited really well.

ALso, as far as Bama last night. Let’s be honest, Bama used a basic game plan against Cincy last night. Saban believed and rightly so that they could just the run the ball down the throats of Cincy. Bama was very basic last night and held back the full brunt of their offense for the Championship game. Cincy is a great team but the difference in lines was striking. there is simply no way, the rest of the college world can catch up to the top 3 or 4 SEC teams, its just not going to happen. I used to believe it could happen, I don’t any longer.

Yeah this must be different since we have never had 1-2 teams in college football dominate everyone for a protracted period of time.

Really. Calm down.

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(01-03-2022 02:45 AM)TigerJJ Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 03:20 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Texas is going to finish mid-level, at best, most seasons.

They should stay put in Big 12 and be a big dog there vs. chum for Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, etc. in the SEC.

Georgia and Alabama were the top of FBS, but rest of SEC did not fair well in bowls.

G5 was 6-0 vs P5 in bowls, excluding playoff game (which I don't count as part of the bowl games).

Texas has all the money in the world which means nothing ever stops them from doing nearly anything they want. what they want… I see UT overtaking A&M and many other SEC programs soon after they join the SEC which to me in many forms is a translation of a new sheriff in (SEC) town something Alabama is not accustomed to.

I think you right, Texas will be a middle of the pack but not for long.

Yikes… Can’t believe myself for saying this of UT

If you think Texas is going to come to the $EC and start doing anything they want, you are going to be sadly mistaken. The $EC ain't the B12 where Texas was the big dog. There are a number of teams in that conference that have had more success than Texas, especially in recent years. I think they are in for a rude awakening.

Here for for the first time Bama choke slams Texas through a table. El oh El.

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(01-03-2022 08:54 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  There should be a split, the 130 FBS teams should form two leagues with a mixture of the 10 conferences

Lol

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(01-03-2022 01:03 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(01-01-2022 02:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Its clear after the games tonight that the top teams in the SEC are not only head and shoulders better than the rest of college football but their recruiting advantages have turned this sport into arms race that everyone has lost except for the SEC. They will only get stronger with the new teams being added to the conference.

The only way imo to save college football going forward is to cut the SEC off and stop its ability to continue to dominate college football. The only way to do so at this point is for a total isolation of the conference beginning with the P4 and G5 pulling away from the SEC going forward.
College football and it's ability to stay relevant is on the brink of self destruction. Outside the box thinking is needed to save it. The SEC should be isolated and lose its ability to maintain status quo. Only by forming a new league and excluding the SEC can college football be saved imo. It's time to collectively divorce the SEC on grounds of irreconcilable differences...

The only way to save CFB in the long run is to let the SEC+ select programs go full pro and split off to compete/complement the NFL as their feeder league.

College football can then have a full playoff. You would end up with an infinitely more enjoyable product as a whole, even if it would be slightly inferior to the quality of the pro league.

I bet P5 fans are lurking on this thread eating popcorn and enjoying mid major fans doing surrender cobra.

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