(12-23-2021 01:17 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 12:58 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 04:38 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:29 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 12:50 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Yeah WKU is good and they absolutely came to play. Some of your woes are your doing with no push at LOS, turning over the ball on fumbles multiple times in red zone etc. This game should've been much closer if your defense tackled them properly. WKU QB's tend to be good at college level with good OL protection but once they step into the next level they sputter and fail horribly. Anyways its not your day and WKU played like they wanted it and have a point to prove. They deserved to win. That is all.

Was at the game Saturday…first 10 rows right at the 50 yard line. Our OL and DL looked small in comparison. We have to take a hard look at our OL philosophy in particular, followed by DL. Learned last night UL has two OL coaches. We are not putting enough thought in this area focusing on speed. Time and time again, LOS had been our issue. Yes, way too many turnovers this year in key games blunted drives but we did not get the pressure on the QB we are used to seeing on defense at AppState. Arms race has changed and we need to change with it, or we will be left behind. Takes several year to develop line play. We may be almost good enough for a couple more years if we change things NOW.

Been saying this most of the year to all the "Best talented team ever" and "Clark's fault" Haters out there. Even though we look really good at the skilled positions, we just weren't up to par to what we've been in the past. Our fronts were good enough to beat who we beat, but we got out matched at the LOS in all our losses. I feel Clark and company did what was expected with what they were working with.

This is not a knock on our current lineman but more of a compliment on who we have lost. Those guys were good enough to dominate any G5 team. This year, we just weren't that good. Not against the highest tier of G5.

App didn't have a choice but to recruit smaller defensive linemen two to three years ago.

Now you see White, McKnight, Earle, Hopper, and a few of the other guys from 2019 and 2020 coming up and they are all bigger.

App is going to have true 3-4 defensive ends starting beginning in 2022 and those guys will be able to run like the 250 lb guys Fuller, Spurlin, Pailant, etc.

I wouldn't be concerned with the offensive line. Those guys were recruited to be mobile and agile, not block for a true pocket passing quarterback who is best standing in the pocket. They were recruited with Lamb, Thomas, Huesman, and those types in mind who will run the option, run misdirection, and use pulling guards and tackles to block sideline to sideline and up to the third level of the defense.

I consider this almost a failure by Clark and Co. because as good as Brice has been, convincing Thomas to come back may have been better considering his 4.5 speed and the attributes of the line. If App had a truly mobile guy, everyone would talk about how great Apps offensive line was, but they didn't and the offensive line was being used to do something they were recruited to do.

This off-season will see a ton of focus on play recognition and pass blocking, I'd imagine. Square peg, round hole but you don't have a choice. Brice is also going to have to get more comfortable running the ball. He may be a 4.8 guy but he can pick his spots.

Key moment in the Championship game was when App had 2nd&1 near the redzone, ran inside zone twice, and couldn't get that yard. Scheme helps, but at the end of the day, when all you need is 1 yard, and you lose the battle of up front both times, there's no other explanation but that the other team is better.
Run Scheme doesn't help explain the struggle to Pass protect either.
Our OL consisted of:
1) FCS transfer
2) JuCo transfer
3)DL recruit, turned TE, turned guard, turned Center.
Coaching staff did well with what we have. We were just outmatched on OL vs two teams: an ACC team & SB Champs.

Inability to rush the passer with just our 3 DL doomed us in the 4 loss.

You can't run Base 3-4 against an Air Raid offense. You'll win some but you're asking linebackers to cover wide receivers 75% if the time. That's why App lost. Dale Jones admittedly likes to run base as much as possible and that, along with 4 injuries or scratches in the secondary, limited what App could do to stop WKU.

As for failing to get a yard against Louisiana. Tayland Humphrey is a big man. You saw how Ali ran against Louisiana without him in the game. I'd argue he was Louisianas single most important player on defense this year.

(12-23-2021 01:49 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-23-2021 01:17 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 12:58 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 04:38 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:29 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  Was at the game Saturday…first 10 rows right at the 50 yard line. Our OL and DL looked small in comparison. We have to take a hard look at our OL philosophy in particular, followed by DL. Learned last night UL has two OL coaches. We are not putting enough thought in this area focusing on speed. Time and time again, LOS had been our issue. Yes, way too many turnovers this year in key games blunted drives but we did not get the pressure on the QB we are used to seeing on defense at AppState. Arms race has changed and we need to change with it, or we will be left behind. Takes several year to develop line play. We may be almost good enough for a couple more years if we change things NOW.

Been saying this most of the year to all the "Best talented team ever" and "Clark's fault" Haters out there. Even though we look really good at the skilled positions, we just weren't up to par to what we've been in the past. Our fronts were good enough to beat who we beat, but we got out matched at the LOS in all our losses. I feel Clark and company did what was expected with what they were working with.

This is not a knock on our current lineman but more of a compliment on who we have lost. Those guys were good enough to dominate any G5 team. This year, we just weren't that good. Not against the highest tier of G5.

App didn't have a choice but to recruit smaller defensive linemen two to three years ago.

Now you see White, McKnight, Earle, Hopper, and a few of the other guys from 2019 and 2020 coming up and they are all bigger.

App is going to have true 3-4 defensive ends starting beginning in 2022 and those guys will be able to run like the 250 lb guys Fuller, Spurlin, Pailant, etc.

I wouldn't be concerned with the offensive line. Those guys were recruited to be mobile and agile, not block for a true pocket passing quarterback who is best standing in the pocket. They were recruited with Lamb, Thomas, Huesman, and those types in mind who will run the option, run misdirection, and use pulling guards and tackles to block sideline to sideline and up to the third level of the defense.

I consider this almost a failure by Clark and Co. because as good as Brice has been, convincing Thomas to come back may have been better considering his 4.5 speed and the attributes of the line. If App had a truly mobile guy, everyone would talk about how great Apps offensive line was, but they didn't and the offensive line was being used to do something they were recruited to do.

This off-season will see a ton of focus on play recognition and pass blocking, I'd imagine. Square peg, round hole but you don't have a choice. Brice is also going to have to get more comfortable running the ball. He may be a 4.8 guy but he can pick his spots.

Key moment in the Championship game was when App had 2nd&1 near the redzone, ran inside zone twice, and couldn't get that yard. Scheme helps, but at the end of the day, when all you need is 1 yard, and you lose the battle of up front both times, there's no other explanation but that the other team is better.
Run Scheme doesn't help explain the struggle to Pass protect either.
Our OL consisted of:
1) FCS transfer
2) JuCo transfer
3)DL recruit, turned TE, turned guard, turned Center.
Coaching staff did well with what we have. We were just outmatched on OL vs two teams: an ACC team & SB Champs.

Inability to rush the passer with just our 3 DL doomed us in the 4 loss.

You can't run Base 3-4 against an Air Raid offense. You'll win some but you're asking linebackers to cover wide receivers 75% if the time. That's why App lost. Dale Jones admittedly likes to run base as much as possible and that, along with 4 injuries or scratches in the secondary, limited what App could do to stop WKU.

As for failing to get a yard against Louisiana. Tayland Humphrey is a big man. You saw how Ali ran against Louisiana without him in the game. I'd argue he was Louisianas single most important player on defense this year.

Who says you can't defend Air Raid in 3-4??? If you're a primary zone coverage team, 3-4 gives you more bodies to get under curls/flat/slants while allowing safeties to stay over top with all 4 hook/curl zones covered. You can easily bring both safies over top trips and allow OLB to help bracket underneath with CB on single WR side. 3-4 has nothing to do with stopping the Air Raid. Yes, you can take an OLB out and replace with a nickel to go with a 3-3-5 look to help with man to man coverages, but you still only have 3 DL to rush unless you bring an extra.
If you noticed, most of their big plays were by their #1 WRs vs our CBs. Not sure what our 3-4 had to do with that other than lack of consistent QB pressure.

(12-23-2021 01:17 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 12:58 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 04:38 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:29 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 12:50 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Yeah WKU is good and they absolutely came to play. Some of your woes are your doing with no push at LOS, turning over the ball on fumbles multiple times in red zone etc. This game should've been much closer if your defense tackled them properly. WKU QB's tend to be good at college level with good OL protection but once they step into the next level they sputter and fail horribly. Anyways its not your day and WKU played like they wanted it and have a point to prove. They deserved to win. That is all.

Was at the game Saturday…first 10 rows right at the 50 yard line. Our OL and DL looked small in comparison. We have to take a hard look at our OL philosophy in particular, followed by DL. Learned last night UL has two OL coaches. We are not putting enough thought in this area focusing on speed. Time and time again, LOS had been our issue. Yes, way too many turnovers this year in key games blunted drives but we did not get the pressure on the QB we are used to seeing on defense at AppState. Arms race has changed and we need to change with it, or we will be left behind. Takes several year to develop line play. We may be almost good enough for a couple more years if we change things NOW.

Been saying this most of the year to all the "Best talented team ever" and "Clark's fault" Haters out there. Even though we look really good at the skilled positions, we just weren't up to par to what we've been in the past. Our fronts were good enough to beat who we beat, but we got out matched at the LOS in all our losses. I feel Clark and company did what was expected with what they were working with.

This is not a knock on our current lineman but more of a compliment on who we have lost. Those guys were good enough to dominate any G5 team. This year, we just weren't that good. Not against the highest tier of G5.

App didn't have a choice but to recruit smaller defensive linemen two to three years ago.

Now you see White, McKnight, Earle, Hopper, and a few of the other guys from 2019 and 2020 coming up and they are all bigger.

App is going to have true 3-4 defensive ends starting beginning in 2022 and those guys will be able to run like the 250 lb guys Fuller, Spurlin, Pailant, etc.

I wouldn't be concerned with the offensive line. Those guys were recruited to be mobile and agile, not block for a true pocket passing quarterback who is best standing in the pocket. They were recruited with Lamb, Thomas, Huesman, and those types in mind who will run the option, run misdirection, and use pulling guards and tackles to block sideline to sideline and up to the third level of the defense.

I consider this almost a failure by Clark and Co. because as good as Brice has been, convincing Thomas to come back may have been better considering his 4.5 speed and the attributes of the line. If App had a truly mobile guy, everyone would talk about how great Apps offensive line was, but they didn't and the offensive line was being used to do something they were recruited to do.

This off-season will see a ton of focus on play recognition and pass blocking, I'd imagine. Square peg, round hole but you don't have a choice. Brice is also going to have to get more comfortable running the ball. He may be a 4.8 guy but he can pick his spots.

Key moment in the Championship game was when App had 2nd&1 near the redzone, ran inside zone twice, and couldn't get that yard. Scheme helps, but at the end of the day, when all you need is 1 yard, and you lose the battle of up front both times, there's no other explanation but that the other team is better.
Run Scheme doesn't help explain the struggle to Pass protect either.
Our OL consisted of:
1) FCS transfer
2) JuCo transfer
3)DL recruit, turned TE, turned guard, turned Center.
Coaching staff did well with what we have. We were just outmatched on OL vs two teams: an ACC team & SB Champs.

Inability to rush the passer with just our 3 DL doomed us in the 4 loss.

My concern going into the season was we were filling OL spots with transfers. We had a few guys wash out and lost a few to injury. This OL was a drop off the '19 & 20 groups.

(12-22-2021 12:58 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 04:38 PM)CoachWillRob Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:29 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 12:50 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 12:31 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  Turnovers are part of the game. They put 60 on us. That’s a buttwhooping, no other way to put it. It’s okay to admit, we will be back next year. Go Apps and congrats to WKU for finishing their season on an absolute tear.

Also tells me how good that UTSA team is.

Yeah WKU is good and they absolutely came to play. Some of your woes are your doing with no push at LOS, turning over the ball on fumbles multiple times in red zone etc. This game should've been much closer if your defense tackled them properly. WKU QB's tend to be good at college level with good OL protection but once they step into the next level they sputter and fail horribly. Anyways its not your day and WKU played like they wanted it and have a point to prove. They deserved to win. That is all.

Was at the game Saturday…first 10 rows right at the 50 yard line. Our OL and DL looked small in comparison. We have to take a hard look at our OL philosophy in particular, followed by DL. Learned last night UL has two OL coaches. We are not putting enough thought in this area focusing on speed. Time and time again, LOS had been our issue. Yes, way too many turnovers this year in key games blunted drives but we did not get the pressure on the QB we are used to seeing on defense at AppState. Arms race has changed and we need to change with it, or we will be left behind. Takes several year to develop line play. We may be almost good enough for a couple more years if we change things NOW.

Been saying this most of the year to all the "Best talented team ever" and "Clark's fault" Haters out there. Even though we look really good at the skilled positions, we just weren't up to par to what we've been in the past. Our fronts were good enough to beat who we beat, but we got out matched at the LOS in all our losses. I feel Clark and company did what was expected with what they were working with.

This is not a knock on our current lineman but more of a compliment on who we have lost. Those guys were good enough to dominate any G5 team. This year, we just weren't that good. Not against the highest tier of G5.

App didn't have a choice but to recruit smaller defensive linemen two to three years ago.

Now you see White, McKnight, Earle, Hopper, and a few of the other guys from 2019 and 2020 coming up and they are all bigger.

App is going to have true 3-4 defensive ends starting beginning in 2022 and those guys will be able to run like the 250 lb guys Fuller, Spurlin, Pailant, etc.

I wouldn't be concerned with the offensive line. Those guys were recruited to be mobile and agile, not block for a true pocket passing quarterback who is best standing in the pocket. They were recruited with Lamb, Thomas, Huesman, and those types in mind who will run the option, run misdirection, and use pulling guards and tackles to block sideline to sideline and up to the third level of the defense.

I consider this almost a failure by Clark and Co. because as good as Brice has been, convincing Thomas to come back may have been better considering his 4.5 speed and the attributes of the line. If App had a truly mobile guy, everyone would talk about how great Apps offensive line was, but they didn't and the offensive line was being used to do something they were recruited to do.

This off-season will see a ton of focus on play recognition and pass blocking, I'd imagine. Square peg, round hole but you don't have a choice. Brice is also going to have to get more comfortable running the ball. He may be a 4.8 guy but he can pick his spots.

There was no failure on Clark's part. No amount of talking would have convinced Zac to come back.

(12-22-2021 01:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  UTSA - I think you’re trash
SBC - we don’t think of you…

Correct... Most people didn't realize they had a football team until this year.

(12-23-2021 11:02 PM)Appvette Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 01:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  UTSA - I think you’re trash
SBC - we don’t think of you…

Correct... Most people didn't realize they had a football team until this year.

App State joined FBS 3 years after UTSA, but has won 14 more games and 6 more bowl games with 3 fewer seasons. Maybe shouldn’t be talking down to anyone until they’re over .500 as an FBS team. Bowl winning percentage is .000

(12-18-2021 03:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 03:00 PM)UTSA_Alum Wrote:  I'm out since the mod is threatening to ban us. Imagine if our mods treated them that way. This place sounds be a ghost town.

I guess you weren't done....

So now you are

I'm glad you did that, because I was going to, but wasn't sure if I should being that we aren't in the Belt yet.