(11-05-2021 04:29 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 04:19 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/tolstoybb/status/145...5276345347

MARY JANE

Why stop with MJ? Coke, acid, opiates? What's wrong with them?

The fact that you even ask such a question shows you have so little information that you shouldnt even be commenting. Go learn some stuff then come back with an opinion based on reality instead of what the government brainwashed you with.

(11-06-2021 05:48 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:01 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 05:53 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Make it legal at the federal level and leave it to the states. Marijuana should be legal and regulated like alcohol. Marijuana doesn't cause you to OD or cause you to rob or burglarize like hard drugs. It's a no-brainer. I'm a prosecutor and pretty much everyone in law enforcement is in favor of legalization and regulation.

Leaving something like this (including alcohol) up to the states is stupid. Either a person has a right of privacy to these things or they don't. Shouldn't matter where they live as long as the consumption of these things are done respectful of the population.

Take alcohol for example, it's left up to states, but if you look on a map, every dry county in this country is an easy drive to another which is wet. So it's completely irrelevant to leave it up to the states. The people have decided it's an inalienable right to privacy. Weed is obviously becoming the same thing. Jury still out on harder drugs, but shouldn't be automatically dismissed.

"Leaving it up to states" just means let's go through a period of oppression and unrest until we get to the alcohol model, or even the sports gambling model, to where any banning of it is in name only. Stupid. Trying to leave the outlawing of abortion to the states is in this same category.

It's plain and simple. The right of privacy isn't a state issue, it's an inalienable right and thus a national issue.

You misunderstand the basis of our laws. There is no right to privacy for alcohol use, weed, or gambling. That's not why they are legal. Each state has the power to make those things illegal, but most have intelligently decided that banning them is stupid and regulation (and taxation) is better. Abortion is the only issue you cited which is actually based upon the right to privacy. There is no right to abortion, rather it is a general right to privacy and bodily autonomy that makes abortion legal (per court decisions). It's funny, but the abortion
precedents are the best ammo against the current vaccine mandates.

I understand the basis of the laws, but simply don't agree with such basis. Being able to smoke pot, drink alcohol, get an abortion, gamble, order a prostitute or whatever in privacy is in fact a privacy issue (by definition) no matter what species of pig the law wants to apply lipstick to for it's basis. Inserting said pig simply inserts oppression until we get to the alcohol model where we end up with the same end result. That's all I'm saying.

As far as your distorted view on abortion, if getting an abortion endangered the living population like not getting the right vaccinations, you'd have a point. But it does not.

(11-06-2021 08:46 PM)scorpius Wrote:  As far as your distorted view on abortion, if getting an abortion endangered the living population like not getting the right vaccinations, you'd have a point. But it does not.

If you are vaccinated against COVID, how does coming in contact with an unvaccinated person endanger you?
Do unvaccinated people more readily transmit the disease?
Do unvaccinated people have a higher transmissible viral load?
Are unvaccinated people more likely to carry deadlier strains?
Please show your work/provide evidence.

Did you know that the FDA medical advisory panel voted 16-2 against boosters for the vax in those under 65? They stated that there was not sufficient evidence that it provided any lasting benefit. Yet the bureaucrats overrode that recommendation. I wonder why? I'd personally like to cross-reference those making that decision with those making bank on the vaccines.

(11-06-2021 05:48 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 10:01 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 05:53 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Make it legal at the federal level and leave it to the states. Marijuana should be legal and regulated like alcohol. Marijuana doesn't cause you to OD or cause you to rob or burglarize like hard drugs. It's a no-brainer. I'm a prosecutor and pretty much everyone in law enforcement is in favor of legalization and regulation.

Leaving something like this (including alcohol) up to the states is stupid. Either a person has a right of privacy to these things or they don't. Shouldn't matter where they live as long as the consumption of these things are done respectful of the population.

Take alcohol for example, it's left up to states, but if you look on a map, every dry county in this country is an easy drive to another which is wet. So it's completely irrelevant to leave it up to the states. The people have decided it's an inalienable right to privacy. Weed is obviously becoming the same thing. Jury still out on harder drugs, but shouldn't be automatically dismissed.

"Leaving it up to states" just means let's go through a period of oppression and unrest until we get to the alcohol model, or even the sports gambling model, to where any banning of it is in name only. Stupid. Trying to leave the outlawing of abortion to the states is in this same category.

It's plain and simple. The right of privacy isn't a state issue, it's an inalienable right and thus a national issue.

You misunderstand the basis of our laws. There is no right to privacy for alcohol use, weed, or gambling. That's not why they are legal. Each state has the power to make those things illegal, but most have intelligently decided that banning them is stupid and regulation (and taxation) is better. Abortion is the only issue you cited which is actually based upon the right to privacy. There is no right to abortion, rather it is a general right to privacy and bodily autonomy that makes abortion legal (per court decisions). It's funny, but the abortion
precedents are the best ammo against the current vaccine mandates.

Your wasting your time trying to explain anything to his demented mind. He most likely believes it’s an act of love to exterminate human life. I can only imagine his fate in the life to come.

(11-06-2021 11:34 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 08:46 PM)scorpius Wrote:  As far as your distorted view on abortion, if getting an abortion endangered the living population like not getting the right vaccinations, you'd have a point. But it does not.

If you are vaccinated against COVID, how does coming in contact with an unvaccinated person endanger you?

There is still a risk of catching it and spreading it while being vaccinated. Also there's still a risk of getting sick. Think of it as a seat belt or any other safety device on your car. It does not guarantee you or others won't get hurt, but it's still mandated because it puts all involved at the best chance of minimizing accidents and their outcomes.

Quote:Do unvaccinated people more readily transmit the disease?

Not usually, but they still readily transmit it.

Quote:Do unvaccinated people have a higher transmissible viral load?

Most of the time.

Quote:Are unvaccinated people more likely to carry deadlier strains?

No, but they aren't more likely to carry less deadly strains either. So irrelevant.

Quote:Please show your work/provide evidence.

Google

Quote:Did you know that the FDA medical advisory panel voted 16-2 against boosters for the vax in those under 65? They stated that there was not sufficient evidence that it provided any lasting benefit. Yet the bureaucrats overrode that recommendation. I wonder why? I'd personally like to cross-reference those making that decision with those making bank on the vaccines.

There is no evidence it does not provide long lasting benefit either. But that doesn't hide the fact we still get annual flu shots despite no long lasting benefit. A short term benefit is better than no benefit. They voted that way so the focus can be on the unvaccinated which have NO benefit, rather than those which are already benefited by being vaccinated to varying extents. To better understand all the forces involved with that vote, you have to realize vaccines are not available everywhere in the world. There is a shortage. Considering the variants and how this spreads across borders, it would do far more good to spread the vaccine around the world, rather than booster it like a flu shot to everyone in this country at this time. There are ethical questions surrounding this as well.

I know the lies spread by right wing propaganda basically molest the brain. But if you take a step back and look at it rationally with an open-mind, you'll realize the disgusting nature of the lies.

(11-06-2021 04:30 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Legalizing weed, gays, and guns?

Exactly what republicans need to do.

LOL...I fully agree. The weed and guns are a no brainer. Why should gays be allowed to escape the financial perils of marriage anyway? Let them get married and suffer like the rest of us.

Long overdue. Cannabis has been vilified wrongly for decades. Its is far less dangerous than booze by a long shot. Its time for this nonsense to stop. Businesses can still prohibit employees from being under the influence like any other substance. Companies are on the cusp of developing a THC field sobriety test. Expect this to come to market pretty soon and cannabis will be treated just like alcohol in regard to law enforcement.

(11-05-2021 05:38 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s good to see someone trying to take care of us old hippie stoners. Y’all can keep your drugs. I’ll keep my weed. Marijuana is not a drug. It’s an herb. Uptight Republicans

Check out Delta 8 products. Everything you get from weed minus the brain fog, unless you opt for the indica strain which just puts me to sleep. Most weed these days appear to be of the indica strain. The best part is that it's legal.

Edit: It appears I've already addressed delta8 here.

(11-05-2021 07:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-05-2021 05:53 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Make it legal at the federal level and leave it to the states. Marijuana should be legal and regulated like alcohol. Marijuana doesn't cause you to OD or cause you to rob or burglarize like hard drugs. It's a no-brainer. I'm a prosecutor and pretty much everyone in law enforcement is in favor of legalization and regulation.

#henceDJT whiffed that oportunity, too…

@420PBJ

Peanut butter breath is a new (to me) strain, lol. Smelled nothing like peanut butter.

(11-07-2021 08:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Long overdue. Cannabis has been vilified wrongly for decades. Its is far less dangerous than booze by a long shot. Its time for this nonsense to stop. Businesses can still prohibit employees from being under the influence like any other substance. Companies are on the cusp of developing a THC field sobriety test. Expect this to come to market pretty soon and cannabis will be treated just like alcohol in regard to law enforcement.

I read somewhere, and it may or may not be true, but the paper and hence the logging industry is what nailed down the coffin lid on the legality of weed. They couldn't take the competition from hemp.

No idea if that's true or not.