I wonder if its possible MTSU won't get an invite to the MAC? They would have 8 schools then.

(11-01-2021 09:36 PM)Appvette Wrote:  Wow, SHSU averages under 7k fans per game

Sam Houston is located in Huntsville, TX . . . about 60 miles North of Houston. The only thing in Huntsville is the college, and the State Penitentiary . . ..

Most SHSU students, go home for the weekend, Huntsville looks like a ghost town by late afternoon most Fridays . . .

Now the question is, can/does Conference USA throw the lion's share of their accumulated exit fees at MTSU and WKU to get them to stay in the conference?

Will Liberty accept the invite?

(11-01-2021 09:43 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  Now the question is, can/does Conference USA throw the lion's share of their accumulated exit fees at MTSU and WKU to get them to stay in the conference?

If you’re MTSU and WKU and have a MAC invite in your hip pocket, why would you take a few bucks to stick around for that line up?

Could be wrong, but I think they G-O-N-E

Liberty absolutely will. They will basically own the conference

(11-01-2021 09:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:35 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:28 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I think it's important for C-USA to survive. Just not bring up too many from FCS.

Aside from your nostalgia, why is it important? It’s another conference that shares the CFP money, gets bowl tie-ins, etc.

What they are forming isn’t a conference, it’s a bunch of leftovers spread around the country with zero identity.

I don't think C-USA losing those means it helps out the Sun Belt or other G5 conferences. I was pulling for C-USA to survive because it means the G5 aren't outnumbered by the P5 conferences. The P5 obviously get more pull but in a down ballot vote giving the P5 a defacto majority is dangerous imo.

No offense but if we were the G200 we still would have less leverage than the P5. Going from 5 to 4 would mean little.

Jacksonville State played #1 SHSU in front of a whopping 7559 fans a couple weeks ago. FCS football does exist for a reason, for schools like these to grow and build a foundation of success until they are ready to move up. Not jump into a zombie conference before they are ready.

(11-01-2021 09:47 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:35 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:28 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I think it's important for C-USA to survive. Just not bring up too many from FCS.

Aside from your nostalgia, why is it important? It’s another conference that shares the CFP money, gets bowl tie-ins, etc.

What they are forming isn’t a conference, it’s a bunch of leftovers spread around the country with zero identity.

I don't think C-USA losing those means it helps out the Sun Belt or other G5 conferences. I was pulling for C-USA to survive because it means the G5 aren't outnumbered by the P5 conferences. The P5 obviously get more pull but in a down ballot vote giving the P5 a defacto majority is dangerous imo.

No offense but if we were the G200 we still would have less leverage than the P5. Going from 5 to 4 would mean little.

Jacksonville State played #1 SHSU in front of a whopping 7559 fans a couple weeks ago. FCS football does exist for a reason, for schools like these to grow and build a foundation of success until they are ready to move up. Not jump into a zombie conference before they are ready.

Sounds like it's about time the NCAA enforces the 15,000 minimum attendance rule.

So the same footprint as the current CUSA but undoubtedly less money from media with schools that have less money, besides Liberty, and that school will run that conference with a checkbook.

(11-01-2021 09:02 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Does anyone have any thoughts on NCA&T joining C-USA? Being THE FBS HBCU would be a huge selling point to recruits and viewers alike, I would think. They're the largest HBCU in the country, and they're growing in enrollment while most HBCU's are declining.

Worth a look, at least.

NC A&T would be a great fit...they have been wanting to become the premiere HBCU in the country and were as recently as 2019 looking into making the FBS jump. BB&T Stadium can hold 20k and they've got a good history of both winning and a fan following. It'd keep NC in the conference as well.

(11-01-2021 09:47 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:35 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:28 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I think it's important for C-USA to survive. Just not bring up too many from FCS.

Aside from your nostalgia, why is it important? It’s another conference that shares the CFP money, gets bowl tie-ins, etc.

What they are forming isn’t a conference, it’s a bunch of leftovers spread around the country with zero identity.

I don't think C-USA losing those means it helps out the Sun Belt or other G5 conferences. I was pulling for C-USA to survive because it means the G5 aren't outnumbered by the P5 conferences. The P5 obviously get more pull but in a down ballot vote giving the P5 a defacto majority is dangerous imo.

No offense but if we were the G200 we still would have less leverage than the P5. Going from 5 to 4 would mean little.

Jacksonville State played #1 SHSU in front of a whopping 7559 fans a couple weeks ago. FCS football does exist for a reason, for schools like these to grow and build a foundation of success until they are ready to move up. Not jump into a zombie conference before they are ready.

I would say there's a reasonable difference between 'less leverage' and 'no leverage' and I think a P5 with a G4 is more the latter than the former.

(11-01-2021 09:47 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:35 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:28 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I think it's important for C-USA to survive. Just not bring up too many from FCS.

Aside from your nostalgia, why is it important? It’s another conference that shares the CFP money, gets bowl tie-ins, etc.

What they are forming isn’t a conference, it’s a bunch of leftovers spread around the country with zero identity.

I don't think C-USA losing those means it helps out the Sun Belt or other G5 conferences. I was pulling for C-USA to survive because it means the G5 aren't outnumbered by the P5 conferences. The P5 obviously get more pull but in a down ballot vote giving the P5 a defacto majority is dangerous imo.

No offense but if we were the G200 we still would have less leverage than the P5. Going from 5 to 4 would mean little.

Jacksonville State played #1 SHSU in front of a whopping 7559 fans a couple weeks ago. FCS football does exist for a reason, for schools like these to grow and build a foundation of success until they are ready to move up. Not jump into a zombie conference before they are ready.

Absolutely agree with you . . . no one wants to see teams come up before they’re ready . .
at the same time, I can’t fault CUSA for what they’re doing .. . They’re trying to survive.

(11-01-2021 09:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:43 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  Now the question is, can/does Conference USA throw the lion's share of their accumulated exit fees at MTSU and WKU to get them to stay in the conference?

If you’re MTSU and WKU and have a MAC invite in your hip pocket, why would you take a few bucks to stick around for that line up?

Could be wrong, but I think they G-O-N-E

Dang straight. The MAC might not ask again and no way would I want to be stuck in a conference stretching from west Texas to Miami with a bunch of call ups. This is a no brainer.

Meanwhile, at C-USA headquarters:

(11-01-2021 09:49 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Sounds like it's about time the NCAA enforces the 15,000 minimum attendance rule.

Do you want to kill the Sun Belt Conference?
Because this would kill the Sun Belt Conference.

(11-01-2021 09:49 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:47 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:35 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:28 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I think it's important for C-USA to survive. Just not bring up too many from FCS.

Aside from your nostalgia, why is it important? It’s another conference that shares the CFP money, gets bowl tie-ins, etc.

What they are forming isn’t a conference, it’s a bunch of leftovers spread around the country with zero identity.

I don't think C-USA losing those means it helps out the Sun Belt or other G5 conferences. I was pulling for C-USA to survive because it means the G5 aren't outnumbered by the P5 conferences. The P5 obviously get more pull but in a down ballot vote giving the P5 a defacto majority is dangerous imo.

No offense but if we were the G200 we still would have less leverage than the P5. Going from 5 to 4 would mean little.

Jacksonville State played #1 SHSU in front of a whopping 7559 fans a couple weeks ago. FCS football does exist for a reason, for schools like these to grow and build a foundation of success until they are ready to move up. Not jump into a zombie conference before they are ready.

Absolutely agree with you . . . no one wants to see teams come up before they’re ready . .
at the same time, I can’t fault CUSA for what they’re doing .. . They’re trying to survive.

Sure I can’t blame the conference, I just don’t like it. And to be clear, I’m not against FCS teams coming up, hell, pot meet kettle.

What im against are programs coming up before their ready. JMU should have been up 5 years ago. Most of the Big Sky could, they are just on the moon.

It took App damn near a decade of debating before we moved and we were consistently doing 25k+ and winning constantly.

(11-01-2021 08:24 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Liberty will run CUSA now

Why? They couldn’t even run the Big South when they had FBS money, playing against basically non-scholarship schools. Time is a flat circle.

(11-01-2021 09:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:43 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  Now the question is, can/does Conference USA throw the lion's share of their accumulated exit fees at MTSU and WKU to get them to stay in the conference?

If you’re MTSU and WKU and have a MAC invite in your hip pocket, why would you take a few bucks to stick around for that line up?

Could be wrong, but I think they G-O-N-E

Because playing a bunch of schools in Ohio and Michigan does nothing for me either. Yes, NMSU, UTEP, and FIU being in my conference sucks, but I don't think any of them are going to be around long term and I don't think it sucks any worse than being in a conference with Akron, Central Michigan, and Ball State. If I'm WKU and especially if I'm MTSU, I want to be in a conference in the South.

(11-01-2021 09:02 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Does anyone have any thoughts on NCA&T joining C-USA? Being THE FBS HBCU would be a huge selling point to recruits and viewers alike, I would think. They're the largest HBCU in the country, and they're growing in enrollment while most HBCU's are declining.

Worth a look, at least.

FAMU was the first HBCU FBS school. Did not go well for them

(11-01-2021 10:03 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(11-01-2021 09:02 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Does anyone have any thoughts on NCA&T joining C-USA? Being THE FBS HBCU would be a huge selling point to recruits and viewers alike, I would think. They're the largest HBCU in the country, and they're growing in enrollment while most HBCU's are declining.

Worth a look, at least.

FAMU was the first HBCU FBS school. Did not go well for them

FAMU had issues in their move up that NC A&T are unlikely to have.

NC A&T is in an arguably better position than FAMU was at the time and they wouldn't attempt to go full independent in all sports. I'd think they would be a good fit in FBS, but the loss of their HBCU rivalries could hurt them a lot.