(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

(01-03-2022 05:57 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I really like the idea of keeping the legacy Big 8 schools together, but I’m having a hard time coming up with a division lineup that makes sense that way. While we’ve been back to round-robin for a while, I think that if we go to a traditional division setup it’ll have to be like the early days of the Big XII where OSU was in the south away from annual matchups with every North school. If we have to go to 9 conference games due to the alliance, we’d all see most of the other division every year in any case.

I think my suggestion allows the legacy Big 8 schools to stay together, and doesn't create any outrageous travel.

Heartland:
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas
BYU
Texas Tech

Metro:
Houston
Cincinnati
TCU
UCF
Baylor
WVU

(01-05-2022 02:53 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

(01-03-2022 05:57 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I really like the idea of keeping the legacy Big 8 schools together, but I’m having a hard time coming up with a division lineup that makes sense that way. While we’ve been back to round-robin for a while, I think that if we go to a traditional division setup it’ll have to be like the early days of the Big XII where OSU was in the south away from annual matchups with every North school. If we have to go to 9 conference games due to the alliance, we’d all see most of the other division every year in any case.

I think my suggestion allows the legacy Big 8 schools to stay together, and doesn't create any outrageous travel.

Heartland:
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas
BYU
Texas Tech

Metro:
Houston
Cincinnati
TCU
UCF
Baylor
WVU

I don't hate that one either, but would Tech be okay with that? Not to turn the screws too much on the new members, but someone's likely going to be less than thrilled however it is set up, and I would imagine the continuing members would have more say than anyone else.

UCF looks to be far more on an island vs BYU… For those in the Central time zone won’t be as bad

Keeping the legacy teams in one division perpetuate the divisions of old vs new rather than integrate all the programs as one conference in two divisions.

(01-05-2022 05:53 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  UCF looks to be far more on an island vs BYU… For those in the Central time zone won’t be as bad

Yes, we’re the new WVU of the conference

A South/West division of the 4 Texas schools, Oklahoma St, and BYU should be a lot of fun:

You reunite 4 old SWC foes. Tech and Baylor have been together continuously since the 50s. You’ve got DFW vs Houston. You’ve got the Revivalry between Baylor and TCU. Oklahoma St feels like a kindred spirit too. BYU should hit it off well against fellow privates BYU and TCU, and let’s not forget Red Cougars vs Blue Cougars.

UCF will be on a plane no matter what. I like the Heartland, Metro thing, I see both the good and bad of keeping legacy teams together.

I would like to see 8 conf games so you play 3 teams yearly from the other side.

(01-05-2022 02:53 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

(01-03-2022 05:57 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I really like the idea of keeping the legacy Big 8 schools together, but I’m having a hard time coming up with a division lineup that makes sense that way. While we’ve been back to round-robin for a while, I think that if we go to a traditional division setup it’ll have to be like the early days of the Big XII where OSU was in the south away from annual matchups with every North school. If we have to go to 9 conference games due to the alliance, we’d all see most of the other division every year in any case.

I think my suggestion allows the legacy Big 8 schools to stay together, and doesn't create any outrageous travel.

Heartland:
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas
BYU
Texas Tech

Metro:
Houston
Cincinnati
TCU
UCF
Baylor
WVU

Might as well call them "West" and "East" as well since that's pretty much how your setup would look. But I'm nitpicking here so don't mind me.

Big 12 should sell their division names for sponsorship...so instead of East/West (or Atlantic/Coastal)...make a few million from a Corp with 2 national brands.like Coke and Sprite or Outback.and Carrababa's.

(01-09-2022 08:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Big 12 should sell their division names for sponsorship...so instead of East/West (or Atlantic/Coastal)...make a few million from a Corp with 2 national brands.like Coke and Sprite or Outback.and Carrababa's.

That is actually an interesting Idea, Coor's West would work well..

(01-09-2022 09:29 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 08:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Big 12 should sell their division names for sponsorship...so instead of East/West (or Atlantic/Coastal)...make a few million from a Corp with 2 national brands.like Coke and Sprite or Outback.and Carrababa's.

That is actually an interesting Idea, Coor's West would work well..

It makes too much sense...go get the revenue...East/West names.do not help you bring in one more dime.

If UCF and Baylor are in opposing divisions, it can be the Disney vs Dr Pepper divisions.

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

I am an ISU fan also but if we want to maximize the tv contract revenues to get the highest revenue games you need to keep all the Texahoma teams in one division. You need to have all those Texas in state games and regional rival OSU play each other every year. This will help for tv ratings and also media coverage in the state of Texas. This league HAS to have a strong Texas presence, which was the very reason for bringing UH into the league. If Cincy & UCF are in the other division it helps to balance the recruiting exposure to high recruit states.

Texahoma + BYU
KU, KSU, ISU, WVU, Cincy & UCF

Even if we go to one division which I expect the constitutional convention next year to allow leagues to do I think you want to lock in all those games. I also think this league may need to play 9 conference games instead of 8 anyway.

(01-05-2022 02:53 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 11:24 AM)cc22 Wrote:  First post here, Iowa State fan.

To me, you have to keep ISU, KU, KSU and OSU together. The first three have played each other for literally a century (ISU-KSU is the single longest uninterrupted series in college football, per wikipedia). Oklahoma State's history with the other three also goes back decades.

I don't think you need to consider UCF and BYU much at all in the division setup. They're on a plane no matter who they're playing. It may seem ridiculous to have UCF and BYU in the same division, but it's really only one game where it's a long ass flight.

North
Cincy
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia

South
Baylor
BYU
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF

I think the other option would be to swap UC and WVU with two Texas schools, but I honestly think this is the best setup.

(01-03-2022 05:57 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I really like the idea of keeping the legacy Big 8 schools together, but I’m having a hard time coming up with a division lineup that makes sense that way. While we’ve been back to round-robin for a while, I think that if we go to a traditional division setup it’ll have to be like the early days of the Big XII where OSU was in the south away from annual matchups with every North school. If we have to go to 9 conference games due to the alliance, we’d all see most of the other division every year in any case.

I think my suggestion allows the legacy Big 8 schools to stay together, and doesn't create any outrageous travel.

Heartland:
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas
BYU
Texas Tech

Metro:
Houston
Cincinnati
TCU
UCF
Baylor
WVU

Boy big difference in the quality of basketball in those two groups. Not sure ucf and TCU can be in the same hoops division

Jackson

Basketball doesn't use divisions.

When the Big 12 was in its original form, teams would play the teams in their football division home and home and would only play the teams in the other division once, but with more conference games being played, that may switch (or maybe the Big 12 will be the first to play 22 conference games)

(01-10-2022 04:13 PM)cc22 Wrote:  Basketball doesn't use divisions.

When the Big 12 was in its original form, teams would play the teams in their football division home and home and would only play the teams in the other division once, but with more conference games being played, that may switch (or maybe the Big 12 will be the first to play 22 conference games)

I think we should definitely play 22 conference games and get the true round robin. It seems to be getting harder and harder to schedule good OOC games, particularly that aren't neutral site, part of a conference challenge, or a in season tournament.

Playing and even losing two more conference games is better for the post season resume than wins against Augustana and Rhode Island School of Design

(01-10-2022 04:13 PM)cc22 Wrote:  (or maybe the Big 12 will be the first to play 22 conference games)

My god it's glorious.

As much as I'd prefer to have Oklahoma State in our division, this is probably the arrangement that works best for everyone:

East:
Cincy
ISU
Kansas
KSU
UCF
WVU

West:
Baylor
BYU
Houston
OSU
TCU
Tech

Can't wait to welcome the Knights to Jack Trice in December!

(01-12-2022 11:44 AM)CYOWA Wrote:  As much as I'd prefer to have Oklahoma State in our division, this is probably the arrangement that works best for everyone:

East:
Cincy
ISU
Kansas
KSU
UCF
WVU

West:
Baylor
BYU
Houston
OSU
TCU
Tech

Can't wait to welcome the Knights to Jack Trice in December!

Agreed, I think Oklahoma State would prefer to be aligned with the Texas schools, and WVU with UCF and Cincy.

However the divisions are determined (and maybe they switch things up every decade or so to improve parity), I hope we go to 8 conference games to allow out-of-conference scheduling freedom. The following rivalries need to be restored or preserved:

Bedlam
Backyard Brawl
Black Diamond Trophy
Holy War
Old Wagon Wheel
I-4
Keg of Nails
Telephone Trophy
CyHawk
Missouri Border War