(10-03-2021 08:51 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:18 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Have we reached a conclusion that other than maybe possibly there's a good chance of maybe UAB, no one has a clue what or who the AAC is going to pursue next?

Not anymore, the top candidates have already said no. Anyone they choose will be their 8th 9th 10th choices. Projecting that says nobody wants to be there or the Commish is being quixotic in who he thinks fits their conference.

Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference . . .

. . . according to someone on the CUSA board, utsa turned the aac down due to “budgetary constraints.”

(10-03-2021 08:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:51 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:18 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Have we reached a conclusion that other than maybe possibly there's a good chance of maybe UAB, no one has a clue what or who the AAC is going to pursue next?

Not anymore, the top candidates have already said no. Anyone they choose will be their 8th 9th 10th choices. Projecting that says nobody wants to be there or the Commish is being quixotic in who he thinks fits their conference.

Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference . . .

. . . according to someone on the CUSA board, utsa turned the aac down due to “budgetary constraints.”

I’ve heard that as well. It’s close to a $15M buy in when you run all
The exit and entrance fees to get into the AAC.

(10-02-2021 09:14 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 11:23 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 10:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 09:23 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I mean Southern Miss used to slap them all around as well. They got tired of being beat

I'd love Southern Miss, if it was realistic that they could raise their budget to even in the ballpark of the rest of the AAC. They'd have to double it to get even towards ECU who's towards the bottom of the league. The AAC has to add teams who can at least in relatively short order get their budgets up near 50 million, and that's just never going to be feasible for USM.

Aye, but you have discovered the problem the AAC faces. The large majority of SBC/CUSA schools would need to increase their Athletic Budgets significantly in order to make a move work, and that DOES NOT include entrance or exit fees.

There's going to need to be reasons to join and money to put the fees together. Some teams can get it. I know AState would likely throw their first born into a rattle snake pit to join a league with Memphis, Tulsa, and SMU. But you take a couple of those out of the league, and we're probably holding onto the kid rather than join East Carolina/Temple/USF. (I'm using as an example by the way, I know we're not on any list)

Absolutely. There's a reason anytime you hear a national name mention the eastern names it's "UAB and then someone like insert random UTSA/Charlotte/FAU name". The AAC will add someone else besides UAB. I'd actually argue they should add only UAB and sit at 9 but maybe that's not viable, but 10 is max number I'd go to since Army and the MWC schools are dead. Doing the whole C-USA thing of adding a bunch of markets with no history of performance in either major sport is proven to fail. The AAC also has to consider basketball, they actually make money off of it and being a multi bid league is a big differentiator from the Sun-Belt/C-USA, and remaining better than the MWC in hoops matters. I think the 2 should be UAB and Buffalo, but there seems to be no one mentioning Buffalo. Now maybe that changes since I don't think the AAC was even seriously considering the eastern additions, but they make sense on a lot of levels.

I completely agree, UAB and Buffalo are the only two that make sense for the AAC at this point. Buffalo gets somewhat forgotten it seems.

Well, they're easy to forget. They aren't any closer to Temple then ECU is, really. So if the AAC wants to go that route and overextended themselves, let them do it.

I think it's funny that AAC folks used the track at App to denigrate them. Now it's possible they are all clamoring to add a program with a track and field facility that they happen to play football at.

(10-02-2021 09:14 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 11:23 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 10:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 09:23 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I mean Southern Miss used to slap them all around as well. They got tired of being beat

I'd love Southern Miss, if it was realistic that they could raise their budget to even in the ballpark of the rest of the AAC. They'd have to double it to get even towards ECU who's towards the bottom of the league. The AAC has to add teams who can at least in relatively short order get their budgets up near 50 million, and that's just never going to be feasible for USM.

Aye, but you have discovered the problem the AAC faces. The large majority of SBC/CUSA schools would need to increase their Athletic Budgets significantly in order to make a move work, and that DOES NOT include entrance or exit fees.

There's going to need to be reasons to join and money to put the fees together. Some teams can get it. I know AState would likely throw their first born into a rattle snake pit to join a league with Memphis, Tulsa, and SMU. But you take a couple of those out of the league, and we're probably holding onto the kid rather than join East Carolina/Temple/USF. (I'm using as an example by the way, I know we're not on any list)

Absolutely. There's a reason anytime you hear a national name mention the eastern names it's "UAB and then someone like insert random UTSA/Charlotte/FAU name". The AAC will add someone else besides UAB. I'd actually argue they should add only UAB and sit at 9 but maybe that's not viable, but 10 is max number I'd go to since Army and the MWC schools are dead. Doing the whole C-USA thing of adding a bunch of markets with no history of performance in either major sport is proven to fail. The AAC also has to consider basketball, they actually make money off of it and being a multi bid league is a big differentiator from the Sun-Belt/C-USA, and remaining better than the MWC in hoops matters. I think the 2 should be UAB and Buffalo, but there seems to be no one mentioning Buffalo. Now maybe that changes since I don't think the AAC was even seriously considering the eastern additions, but they make sense on a lot of levels.

I completely agree, UAB and Buffalo are the only two that make sense for the AAC at this point. Buffalo gets somewhat forgotten it seems.

Well, if you’re gonna go all the way to Buffalo . . . there may be a few Canadian Colleges that meet the lofty criteria of the aac . . .

(10-02-2021 07:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Interesting ULM isn’t in the pact mentioned above. I guess Texas State might be eyeing a move to be with other Texas schools? Surely ULM isn’t going anywhere, not now.

ULM isn’t going anywhere.

(10-03-2021 09:09 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:51 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:18 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Have we reached a conclusion that other than maybe possibly there's a good chance of maybe UAB, no one has a clue what or who the AAC is going to pursue next?

Not anymore, the top candidates have already said no. Anyone they choose will be their 8th 9th 10th choices. Projecting that says nobody wants to be there or the Commish is being quixotic in who he thinks fits their conference.

Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference . . .

. . . according to someone on the CUSA board, utsa turned the aac down due to “budgetary constraints.”

I’ve heard that as well. It’s close to a $15M buy in when you run all
The exit and entrance fees to get into the AAC.

If that’s true, they also have an idea how much the tv deal is going to be slashed.

Maybe the biggest issue is locking in to a $10M future exit fee. If anything goes wrong, you are stuck.

(10-03-2021 09:41 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 07:43 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Interesting ULM isn’t in the pact mentioned above. I guess Texas State might be eyeing a move to be with other Texas schools? Surely ULM isn’t going anywhere, not now.

ULM isn’t going anywhere.

This is correct. I think the only real concern with the Warhawks right now is do they have a leadership that wants to remain FBS. No one in any SBC West grouping is going to kick the warhawks out, they'll be considered full ranking members until they tell the SBC otherwise.

(10-03-2021 09:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:09 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:51 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:18 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Have we reached a conclusion that other than maybe possibly there's a good chance of maybe UAB, no one has a clue what or who the AAC is going to pursue next?

Not anymore, the top candidates have already said no. Anyone they choose will be their 8th 9th 10th choices. Projecting that says nobody wants to be there or the Commish is being quixotic in who he thinks fits their conference.

Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference . . .

. . . according to someone on the CUSA board, utsa turned the aac down due to “budgetary constraints.”

I’ve heard that as well. It’s close to a $15M buy in when you run all
The exit and entrance fees to get into the AAC.

If that’s true, they also have an idea how much the tv deal is going to be slashed.

That's part of the reason I think they may stick at 10 teams. There's been some rumblings that their TV deal is going to be far closer to what our new TV deal looks like than anyone would believe.

Of course BeetleJuice says our TV deal is fake because we have no links to prove it, so there's that.

(10-03-2021 08:34 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 07:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 12:49 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 12:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The biggest question to me, is why does the AAC exist as a league? Is your entire existence to prove you are worthy of being the 6th Power conference in the country, or do you guys have any actual common traits that make you want to stay together as a league?

While its nice to claim that you are the stepping stone to the P5's, that might not work on some in the CUSA/SBC who likely know at the administration level that they aren't really a P5 level school to begin with.

Then those programs shouldn't be added. If you have up front accepted you can't ever envision a scenario where you could be a "Power" program then you are a better fit somewhere else. The goal of G5 football is to escape G5 football.

So, you have no actual plan other than to just exist and hope that one day your dearest friends in Chapel Hill will go "Hey, I like that East Carolina, why don't we bring them into the ACC!" Or hope like hell that the Big 12 somehow can continue to lose its best teams, raid the AAC, and keep its P5 status? That sounds like CUSA's current marketing push, which I think is something like "Hey, don't forget about us, we're good at football too, and we have 12 teams, even though we technically have 14, we don't count Southern Miss, they stink"

There’s no plan that makes the AAC “appealing” to ECU or anyone, it just remains the best of a bunch of bad options for everyone. There’s no plan that makes the Sun Belt or any G5 league appealing.

That's funny coming from someone whose team is like the last kid picked when choosing sides for a playground game.

Depends on who’s picking. The Sun Belt and CUSA would sell their first born if ECU would join.

Bro their respective first born is ULM and UNCC that is a low bar.

(10-03-2021 10:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:34 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 07:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 12:49 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Then those programs shouldn't be added. If you have up front accepted you can't ever envision a scenario where you could be a "Power" program then you are a better fit somewhere else. The goal of G5 football is to escape G5 football.

So, you have no actual plan other than to just exist and hope that one day your dearest friends in Chapel Hill will go "Hey, I like that East Carolina, why don't we bring them into the ACC!" Or hope like hell that the Big 12 somehow can continue to lose its best teams, raid the AAC, and keep its P5 status? That sounds like CUSA's current marketing push, which I think is something like "Hey, don't forget about us, we're good at football too, and we have 12 teams, even though we technically have 14, we don't count Southern Miss, they stink"

There’s no plan that makes the AAC “appealing” to ECU or anyone, it just remains the best of a bunch of bad options for everyone. There’s no plan that makes the Sun Belt or any G5 league appealing.

That's funny coming from someone whose team is like the last kid picked when choosing sides for a playground game.

Depends on who’s picking. The Sun Belt and CUSA would sell their first born if ECU would join.

Technically the Sun Belt's first born is ULL, but we're not selling them.

(10-03-2021 08:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference.

Man, I just want one other G5 commissioner to publicly ask, “If they’re not G5, why are they using our bid and accepting our payout?”

(10-03-2021 10:26 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:09 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:51 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  Not anymore, the top candidates have already said no. Anyone they choose will be their 8th 9th 10th choices. Projecting that says nobody wants to be there or the Commish is being quixotic in who he thinks fits their conference.

Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference . . .

. . . according to someone on the CUSA board, utsa turned the aac down due to “budgetary constraints.”

I’ve heard that as well. It’s close to a $15M buy in when you run all
The exit and entrance fees to get into the AAC.

If that’s true, they also have an idea how much the tv deal is going to be slashed.

That's part of the reason I think they may stick at 10 teams. There's been some rumblings that their TV deal is going to be far closer to what our new TV deal looks like than anyone would believe.

Of course BeetleJuice says our TV deal is fake because we have no links to prove it, so there's that.

Any chance we ever get a clearer idea of financial terms?

(10-03-2021 01:26 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 10:26 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:09 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:53 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Just goes to show, it ain’t easy being a P6 conference . . .

. . . according to someone on the CUSA board, utsa turned the aac down due to “budgetary constraints.”

I’ve heard that as well. It’s close to a $15M buy in when you run all
The exit and entrance fees to get into the AAC.

If that’s true, they also have an idea how much the tv deal is going to be slashed.

That's part of the reason I think they may stick at 10 teams. There's been some rumblings that their TV deal is going to be far closer to what our new TV deal looks like than anyone would believe.

Of course BeetleJuice says our TV deal is fake because we have no links to prove it, so there's that.

Any chance we ever get a clearer idea of financial terms?

Likely after moves have been made, yes.

(10-03-2021 10:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 08:34 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 07:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 07:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 12:49 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Then those programs shouldn't be added. If you have up front accepted you can't ever envision a scenario where you could be a "Power" program then you are a better fit somewhere else. The goal of G5 football is to escape G5 football.

So, you have no actual plan other than to just exist and hope that one day your dearest friends in Chapel Hill will go "Hey, I like that East Carolina, why don't we bring them into the ACC!" Or hope like hell that the Big 12 somehow can continue to lose its best teams, raid the AAC, and keep its P5 status? That sounds like CUSA's current marketing push, which I think is something like "Hey, don't forget about us, we're good at football too, and we have 12 teams, even though we technically have 14, we don't count Southern Miss, they stink"

There’s no plan that makes the AAC “appealing” to ECU or anyone, it just remains the best of a bunch of bad options for everyone. There’s no plan that makes the Sun Belt or any G5 league appealing.

That's funny coming from someone whose team is like the last kid picked when choosing sides for a playground game.

Depends on who’s picking. The Sun Belt and CUSA would sell their first born if ECU would join.

LOL. You keep drinking that Purple Kool Aid. Don't flatter yourself. ECU would be a good addition to the league, but would be far from the best program in the conference.

In a perfect world of G5s we would add USM, ECU, UTSA, and SMU. Of course two of those will never happen.

I think the AAC will now focus on UAB, Rice, Charlotte and ODU, a positive mix of markets, location, academics, athletic budgets and basketball pedigree.

AAC East
Temple
ECU
USF
ODU
Charlotte
UAB

AAC West
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Rice
Navy/Wichita St.

(10-03-2021 03:31 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  I think the AAC will now focus on UAB, Rice, Charlotte and ODU, a positive mix of markets, location, academics, athletic budgets and basketball pedigree.

AAC East
Temple
ECU
USF
ODU
Charlotte
UAB

AAC West
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Rice
Navy/Wichita St.

Again, from a football perspective, that’s a sorry collection of schools. The aac is giving up on the P6 garbage if that’s what they wind up with. Oh, and Memphis is out the door as soon as they can find an exit.

(10-03-2021 03:31 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  I think the AAC will now focus on UAB, Rice, Charlotte and ODU, a positive mix of markets, location, academics, athletic budgets and basketball pedigree.

AAC East
Temple
ECU
USF
ODU
Charlotte
UAB

AAC West
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Rice
Navy/Wichita St.

I guess getting Rice keeps them in the Houston market since UH is literally like two miles away from Rice.

On the other hand:


Apparently this is what "16,031" looks like to the Owls.