(10-01-2021 12:29 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:30 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:19 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:01 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Yeah but Marshall likes you all because, although others think it's only for recruiting, it's also because we have a very large alumni base in south Florida. I'm just guessing, but I'm sure we bring more fans than any other CUSA school and we are the furthest away in terms of geography.

Yes, but there are limits to that. We will happily play Marshall in the C-USA or even in the hypothetical east coast league. But we're not following you to the SBC.

I do think the SBC is done with the Florida twins. Its not an issue of problems with FAU, everything I have heard is you guys are on good terms with most of the league, but its just not a geographic fit, and we're not a league that recruits Florida heavily to begin with.

Would this be something FAU would consider had CUSA blown up, sure. But most of the contact between FAU and any SBC schools right now is simply OOC scheduling related. Something that will likely continue long term. And you guys are a better fit for the AAC anyway.

Not a knock on the twines but in our case we have been recruiting the panhandle for decades, that wont change. I would imagine troy and south can say the same.

Georgia Southern also recruits out of Florida with 16 players from the sunshine state.
Just check and Georgia State has 18 players from the sunshine state.

App has 19 Floridians on the roster...

(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)appsfan Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 12:29 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:30 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:19 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Yes, but there are limits to that. We will happily play Marshall in the C-USA or even in the hypothetical east coast league. But we're not following you to the SBC.

I do think the SBC is done with the Florida twins. Its not an issue of problems with FAU, everything I have heard is you guys are on good terms with most of the league, but its just not a geographic fit, and we're not a league that recruits Florida heavily to begin with.

Would this be something FAU would consider had CUSA blown up, sure. But most of the contact between FAU and any SBC schools right now is simply OOC scheduling related. Something that will likely continue long term. And you guys are a better fit for the AAC anyway.

Not a knock on the twines but in our case we have been recruiting the panhandle for decades, that wont change. I would imagine troy and south can say the same.

Georgia Southern also recruits out of Florida with 16 players from the sunshine state.
Just check and Georgia State has 18 players from the sunshine state.

App has 19 Floridians on the roster...

Arkansas State has 14 or 15 from Florida.

(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)appsfan Wrote:  App has 19 Floridians on the roster...

Which basically means App doesn't need a FL team to recruit FL. I researched a couple of years ago and at that time, sans the F_U's, only Marshall and MTSU had more FL recruits than App while App has never been in a conference with a FL program. Assuming USF doesn't balk at FAU, the Owls will enjoy the AAC and should like contend for the conference title.

(10-01-2021 11:14 AM)moonshine Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)appsfan Wrote:  App has 19 Floridians on the roster...

Which basically means App doesn't need a FL team to recruit FL. I researched a couple of years ago and at that time, sans the F_U's, only Marshall and MTSU had more FL recruits than App while App has never been in a conference with a FL program. Assuming USF doesn't balk at FAU, the Owls will enjoy the AAC and should like contend for the conference title.

In fairness, there is enough quality recruits in the state of Florida for anyone in the FBS.

(10-01-2021 10:57 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)appsfan Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 12:29 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:30 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I do think the SBC is done with the Florida twins. Its not an issue of problems with FAU, everything I have heard is you guys are on good terms with most of the league, but its just not a geographic fit, and we're not a league that recruits Florida heavily to begin with.

Would this be something FAU would consider had CUSA blown up, sure. But most of the contact between FAU and any SBC schools right now is simply OOC scheduling related. Something that will likely continue long term. And you guys are a better fit for the AAC anyway.

Not a knock on the twines but in our case we have been recruiting the panhandle for decades, that wont change. I would imagine troy and south can say the same.

Georgia Southern also recruits out of Florida with 16 players from the sunshine state.
Just check and Georgia State has 18 players from the sunshine state.

App has 19 Floridians on the roster...

Arkansas State has 14 or 15 from Florida.

Wow, I really had no idea that we had that many from Florida. But, almost every single one are transfers from other schools or walk-ons. Out of the 15, only 2 were part of our signing classes, and one of those is actually from London, England, he just spent the last year in Florida. Butch could very well make recruiting there more of a priority, because we did get some walkons from there such as a P, DS, and WR that is already playing as a true freshman.

But I am in agreement that we don't need a conference mate in South Florida to be able to recruit the state.

(10-01-2021 11:53 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:57 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)appsfan Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 12:29 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:30 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  Not a knock on the twines but in our case we have been recruiting the panhandle for decades, that wont change. I would imagine troy and south can say the same.

Georgia Southern also recruits out of Florida with 16 players from the sunshine state.
Just check and Georgia State has 18 players from the sunshine state.

App has 19 Floridians on the roster...

Arkansas State has 14 or 15 from Florida.

Wow, I really had no idea that we had that many from Florida. But, almost every single one are transfers from other schools or walk-ons. Out of the 15, only 2 were part of our signing classes, and one of those is actually from London, England, he just spent the last year in Florida. Butch could very well make recruiting there more of a priority, because we did get some walkons from there such as a P, DS, and WR that is already playing as a true freshman.

But I am in agreement that we don't need a conference mate in South Florida to be able to recruit the state.

I missed our English player but, yes, Butch seems to have connections in FL to tap. The ones that are walkons have been very impressive.

(09-30-2021 11:11 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I keep seeing it said Marshall doesn’t want to leave CUSA because they like CUSA East. Well what happens if the SBC takes USM and WKU and AAC takes UAB and Charlotte? CUSA would be down to 10 teams and they’d have to travel to Texas more frequently. I assume Marshall fans would rebut this post with “we’d just add JMU and Liberty and be happy” but would the western league members go for two additions in the east? I would think they’d balk at that and push for a western add to go with an eastern add, so Marshall is still traveling westward more.

If the American takes 3-4 teams not located in Texas then Marshall would leave for sure. I just don't see the AAC doing that though.

AAC now has zero incentive to add schools in Texas. In fact, they would probably be happy if SMU [and Tulsa] jumped to the MWC.

(10-01-2021 09:32 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:32 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I don't think it's a slam dunk that the American adds four, now that this has happened.

UAB is a certainty. UTSA and FAU are in the on deck circle, in my opinion. If they take both, they'll take a fourth.

I'll still be surprised if the SBC gets touched. (And that includes Southern Miss and Marshall.)

BOP I can't recall your previous posts, did you think CSU/AF was a shoo in as reported or did you have doubts?

He said they were going to the AAC.

(10-01-2021 12:15 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  AAC now has zero incentive to add schools in Texas. In fact, they would probably be happy if SMU [and Tulsa] jumped to the MWC.

It's very possible imo...especially now that SMU knows they won't be going to the Big 12 and that Memphis is probably gone soon.

(09-29-2021 12:26 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 12:23 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 12:21 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 12:20 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 12:15 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Message board chatter is considered a 'more reliable outlet'?

I work in media...I'm not a reporter but I know GS beat reporters and I can tell you GS isn't expecting a merger. They are expecting to add 2-4 teams to the current SBC lineup.

I can tell you the administration at Marshall/ODU/WKU/App have been working on an eastern based G5 for a couple of years now and that plan is still being worked on.

Keep working on it and UTSA may take your seat.

LOL....you all keep hitching your wagons to SBC West and JMU/Liberty will take your seat in the new eastern based G5.

If you Eastern guys get your merger together before I see or hear from you again, Good Bye. Everyone in the West will try to get by as best we can.

(09-30-2021 09:15 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:11 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:46 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  With USM making the move to the SBC, I would think La Tech just might consider joining, too. They should be in the same conference as ULL and ULM.

Nah we're good

Really drop down ULM. It will solve everyone’s problem. ULL and LaTech really want to be together but they would drop you like a bad habit if they could find a way.

If you wanted to be together, you’d be in the same conference or at least would have played more than 5 times since 2000.

Memphis has no interest in being in the same league as AState but we’ve played 11 times in that same span.

(10-01-2021 12:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:19 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:11 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I keep seeing it said Marshall doesn’t want to leave CUSA because they like CUSA East. Well what happens if the SBC takes USM and WKU and AAC takes UAB and Charlotte? CUSA would be down to 10 teams and they’d have to travel to Texas more frequently. I assume Marshall fans would rebut this post with “we’d just add JMU and Liberty and be happy” but would the western league members go for two additions in the east? I would think they’d balk at that and push for a western add to go with an eastern add, so Marshall is still traveling westward more.

There is right now, serious friction growing between the West and the East in the C-USA. It is true that we, the C-USA East schools, hope to see Texas schools go to another conference. However, the conference HQ is located in Texas.

I think that is something that some CUSA fans don't understand about the SBC: There seems to be this assumption that our East and West Divisions don't get along because you guys don't. As a league, we've largely remained on the same page over the past couple years. Even a ULM, largely seen as a weak spot here nationally, is still highly respected among the higher ups

Its largely what has kept Geographic realignment from really taking hold in this league. We all genuinely seem to like each other and as such aren't likely to make moves that could just screw other programs over

I get the impression that the East and West divisions of CUSA would have no problem causing problems with others if it came down to it.

BINGO

SBC members just tend to get along. To the best of my knowledge the last big disagreement was MTSU and WKU complaining about Hot Springs for the tournament and no matter how badly they wanted it in or around Nashville no venue wanted it unless paid straight rental fees so we ended up at Lakefront Arena with no hotels in walking distance and no restaurants in walking distance.

(10-01-2021 08:03 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 12:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:19 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:11 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I keep seeing it said Marshall doesn’t want to leave CUSA because they like CUSA East. Well what happens if the SBC takes USM and WKU and AAC takes UAB and Charlotte? CUSA would be down to 10 teams and they’d have to travel to Texas more frequently. I assume Marshall fans would rebut this post with “we’d just add JMU and Liberty and be happy” but would the western league members go for two additions in the east? I would think they’d balk at that and push for a western add to go with an eastern add, so Marshall is still traveling westward more.

There is right now, serious friction growing between the West and the East in the C-USA. It is true that we, the C-USA East schools, hope to see Texas schools go to another conference. However, the conference HQ is located in Texas.

I think that is something that some CUSA fans don't understand about the SBC: There seems to be this assumption that our East and West Divisions don't get along because you guys don't. As a league, we've largely remained on the same page over the past couple years. Even a ULM, largely seen as a weak spot here nationally, is still highly respected among the higher ups

Its largely what has kept Geographic realignment from really taking hold in this league. We all genuinely seem to like each other and as such aren't likely to make moves that could just screw other programs over

I get the impression that the East and West divisions of CUSA would have no problem causing problems with others if it came down to it.

Looking at the respective histories of each league goes a long way in explaining why one has members who mostly all get along and the other one doesn’t.

The SBC West + Troy essentially started SBC football when you look at who was around in the early 2000’s, with USA being the longest tenured member but without football. The remaining teams in the SBC East are all FCS callups who probably still have some sense of gratitude to the league and older members for giving them a chance to move to FBS.

CUSA on the other hand has very few longtime members. Only USM and UAB have been in that league since before the SBC started football. Some of the teams we think of as longer term members, like Rice, UTEP, and Marshall, have only been in CUSA since the mid 2000’s. And then you have all of the transplants from 10 years ago. It’s a conference with a majority of transplant teams with a tiny group of longtime members who are genuinely jaded with the conference in its current state.

I don’t think it’s gratitude, I think its the natural outcome of similar, like-minded schools. There is only one urban football school and while San Marcos is seeing itself headed to being part of the San Antonio/Austin sprawl it’s culturally a small town, in 1980 it was basically the same size as the town I grew up in.

With the exceptions of USA and Coastal the schools created as institutions to serve underserved parts of poor states, teachers colleges and agriculture colleges and technical/mechanical colleges. Georgia State shares that history as way to provide higher ed to people working and needing night school.

We’ve all grown past our founding missions but that history shapes the culture of the schools.

But we share values. Yeah any of us would jump for money, power, exposure but that isn’t what causes us to buy a ticket, turn on the TV, and wear the merch. It isn’t why we play the games. We play because we see each other as peers and want to battle and try to come out on top.

(10-01-2021 08:05 AM)AtlantaApp Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:18 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:15 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 09:11 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 10:46 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  With USM making the move to the SBC, I would think La Tech just might consider joining, too. They should be in the same conference as ULL and ULM.

Nah we're good

Really drop down ULM. It will solve everyone’s problem. ULL and LaTech really want to be together but they would drop you like a bad habit if they could find a way.

Nothing will solve LTU’s issues of being giant douche bags therefore being with ULM is better. See you never.

ULM is a bottom 3 team in FBS and has no right to still be up with their budget. Tech despite their short comings would be much better for the league. They are actually competent in Athletics.

When we started this football association and kicked off our first season, that season doesn’t happen unless ULM is a football only member.

When the NCAA changed the rules for FBS conferences, ULM joined in all sports even though the added travel was a strain.

They’ve delivered 4 P5/BCS wins as a member.

They’ve got every right to be a member, the Sun Belt wouldn’t have launched football without them and wouldn’t have remained an FBS league without them and they’ve brought us some positives.

ULM fans got slapped in the face by a president who had no interest in doing more than telling fans you’ve got a team, what more do you want. A president who wanted to cut university support dollar for dollar for every dollar raised by athletics.

They have more than earned the opportunity to dig out of the hole created by that.

(10-01-2021 09:12 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:08 AM)AtlantaApp Wrote:  Also Thamels tweet says that AFA and CSU staying in MWC. AAC on life support.

Not yet. What if the MWC take SMU and Tulsa? AAC is now USF-ECU-Temple-Tulane-Navy-Memphis (for now). Thats not bad. I wonder if this increases the chance of a Marshall invite.

This is bad for us IMO. We wanted the AAC to overextend themselves.

Why would Tulsa and SMU pay $10 million to leave AAC?

The MWC isn’t much different than the WAC they bailed out of to join a CUSA that looked very much like AAC is probably going to look like.

They saw first hand the grueling travel across multiple sports, players coming back home as the sun is rising. Fans being turned off by games kicking off at 9pm Central.

(10-01-2021 10:17 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 10:08 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 09:54 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  Here's another thought. And I want you not to dismiss it out of hand. Remember that CUSA/SBC eastern league thing? I thought, last week, that it had about a 1% chance of happening. Yesterday, I think, that probability grew to about 5%. You've got to admit we're talking AT LEAST a 10% chance here.

Odds went down to zero with today AAC takes 2-4 CUSA SBC takes what it wants.

UTEP starts a summoning circle for an MWC invite

But now some people, who believe to be in the know, say that AAC is open for a MWC raid. AAC may now be in a weaker position to get anyone than just two days ago.

EDIT: UTEP was never in CUSA/SBC eastern league scenarios.

I understood the AFA motivation, Navy opened up a conference game. Sick of Boise’s most favored status in revenue distribution.

That motivation wasn’t enough to get fans on board with abandoning old rivalries.

AAC going to MWC is a $10 million expense and at the absolute best even money probably a dip. It means long travel for fans and players and late game starts. Just seems unlikely. I don’t think MWC has any takers unless they dip into CUSA and seems unlikely they can do that and keep the money up.

(10-01-2021 12:15 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  AAC now has zero incentive to add schools in Texas. In fact, they would probably be happy if SMU [and Tulsa] jumped to the MWC.

. . . except the MW isn’t looking to expand. IF they were to lose members, that might be a possibility. But with their conference members choosing to stand pat, I don’t see them making those adds.

(10-01-2021 10:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 08:03 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 12:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:19 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-30-2021 11:11 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I keep seeing it said Marshall doesn’t want to leave CUSA because they like CUSA East. Well what happens if the SBC takes USM and WKU and AAC takes UAB and Charlotte? CUSA would be down to 10 teams and they’d have to travel to Texas more frequently. I assume Marshall fans would rebut this post with “we’d just add JMU and Liberty and be happy” but would the western league members go for two additions in the east? I would think they’d balk at that and push for a western add to go with an eastern add, so Marshall is still traveling westward more.

There is right now, serious friction growing between the West and the East in the C-USA. It is true that we, the C-USA East schools, hope to see Texas schools go to another conference. However, the conference HQ is located in Texas.

I think that is something that some CUSA fans don't understand about the SBC: There seems to be this assumption that our East and West Divisions don't get along because you guys don't. As a league, we've largely remained on the same page over the past couple years. Even a ULM, largely seen as a weak spot here nationally, is still highly respected among the higher ups

Its largely what has kept Geographic realignment from really taking hold in this league. We all genuinely seem to like each other and as such aren't likely to make moves that could just screw other programs over

I get the impression that the East and West divisions of CUSA would have no problem causing problems with others if it came down to it.

Looking at the respective histories of each league goes a long way in explaining why one has members who mostly all get along and the other one doesn’t.

The SBC West + Troy essentially started SBC football when you look at who was around in the early 2000’s, with USA being the longest tenured member but without football. The remaining teams in the SBC East are all FCS callups who probably still have some sense of gratitude to the league and older members for giving them a chance to move to FBS.

CUSA on the other hand has very few longtime members. Only USM and UAB have been in that league since before the SBC started football. Some of the teams we think of as longer term members, like Rice, UTEP, and Marshall, have only been in CUSA since the mid 2000’s. And then you have all of the transplants from 10 years ago. It’s a conference with a majority of transplant teams with a tiny group of longtime members who are genuinely jaded with the conference in its current state.

I don’t think it’s gratitude, I think its the natural outcome of similar, like-minded schools. There is only one urban football school and while San Marcos is seeing itself headed to being part of the San Antonio/Austin sprawl it’s culturally a small town, in 1980 it was basically the same size as the town I grew up in.

With the exceptions of USA and Coastal the schools created as institutions to serve underserved parts of poor states, teachers colleges and agriculture colleges and technical/mechanical colleges. Georgia State shares that history as way to provide higher ed to people working and needing night school.

We’ve all grown past our founding missions but that history shapes the culture of the schools.

But we share values. Yeah any of us would jump for money, power, exposure but that isn’t what causes us to buy a ticket, turn on the TV, and wear the merch. It isn’t why we play the games. We play because we see each other as peers and want to battle and try to come out on top.

Well said.

(10-01-2021 11:33 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-01-2021 12:15 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  AAC now has zero incentive to add schools in Texas. In fact, they would probably be happy if SMU [and Tulsa] jumped to the MWC.

. . . except the MW isn’t looking to expand. IF they were to lose members, that might be a possibility. But with their conference members choosing to stand pat, I don’t see them making those adds.

I thought that they were looking to expand?

I could see a world where adding Wichita, Texas State, UTSA, Tulsa, and SMU would make sense, if they could get it done.

Navy then goes back to independent, most think Memphis is as good as gone. That leaves you Temple, Tulane, ECU, and USF. I don't need to give a deep dive into their recent performances in revenue sports.