(09-25-2021 07:29 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I want to see Finn show he can throw the ball Two passes won't do it. That was his biggest problem. I guess we'll see soon.

Same here. At least when he is running for his life in the pocket he has more mobility to make a play.

Plus, we’ve seen enough of Bradley. Nice arm but throws too hard and too many picks. I just don’t see a starting QB that can win you a MAC title with Bradley.

(09-25-2021 08:14 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 07:29 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I want to see Finn show he can throw the ball Two passes won't do it. That was his biggest problem. I guess we'll see soon.

Same here. At least when he is running for his life in the pocket he has more mobility to make a play.

Plus, we’ve seen enough of Bradley. Nice arm but throws too hard and too many picks. I just don’t see a starting QB that can win you a MAC title with Bradley.

He's thrown 1 int this year in 94 attempts.

(09-25-2021 09:29 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 08:14 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 07:29 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I want to see Finn show he can throw the ball Two passes won't do it. That was his biggest problem. I guess we'll see soon.

Same here. At least when he is running for his life in the pocket he has more mobility to make a play.

Plus, we’ve seen enough of Bradley. Nice arm but throws too hard and too many picks. I just don’t see a starting QB that can win you a MAC title with Bradley.

He's thrown 1 int this year in 94 attempts.

Exactly. He's due!

Bradley does throw a hard pass. I imagine that's good for receiver development if they're looking to get time in the pros? He also seems to have more plays in the arsenal. He can drop it safely over the receiver's outside shoulder, have it there when the receiver makes his turn... And as I mentioned in the thread, he's fearless in the pocket, which allows the receivers to create if the routes breakdown. He has decent legs but the fumbling when hit is a problem.

We have a nice problem to have with Bradley and Finn.

bradley doesn't have great feel in the pocket but he throws a nice ball. mostly guns it. has a bit of a windup. often on time and accurate but misses throws here and there. he had at least 3 drops today.

finn is good if you run him a lot. not so good when handing off and throwing passes.

either way we don't block that well. the oline played better but has not generally looked good. the TE blocking is often poor. i don't know if rosi just had a bad day but he was consistently missing blocks. turner isn't anything special as a blocker either. koback is the only rb who has proven he can pass block but he's a key receiver too. I say play to extremes. Go pass happy downfield attacking with bradley. and use finn and koback in run packages mostly looking to get finn in space. good to see stuart have a breakout game. his speed could improve our offense if we can get the ball in his hands more.

(09-26-2021 01:31 AM)pono Wrote:  bradley doesn't have great feel in the pocket but he throws a nice ball. mostly guns it. has a bit of a windup. often on time and accurate but misses throws here and there. he had at least 3 drops today.

finn is good if you run him a lot. not so good when handing off and throwing passes.

either way we don't block that well. the oline played better but has not generally looked good. the TE blocking is often poor. i don't know if rosi just had a bad day but he was consistently missing blocks. turner isn't anything special as a blocker either. koback is the only rb who has proven he can pass block but he's a key receiver too. I say play to extremes. Go pass happy downfield attacking with bradley. and use finn and koback in run packages mostly looking to get finn in space. good to see stuart have a breakout game. his speed could improve our offense if we can get the ball in his hands more.

Totally right about the OL, it is just killing us. Also, Koback was much more effective when we had Seymour for the one-two punch. Now we don't seem to have a power rusher. We recruited some bigger guys, but we haven't seen them. Hope you're right about Stuart. I thought he and Kelley were going to be special at one time.

Stuart had some great glitchy quick spirts for decent yardage today.
Id agree a change of pace back to Koback is needed. But if the coaches just realise this now... we have other issues. Our coaches should know who can produce by now. 4 Carries against Ball State shouldnt be changing any minds. IMO we have miss used our other backs to this point. No UT RBs have done it alone, so its a shame Kobacks legacy could rest on that.

(09-25-2021 09:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Bradley does throw a hard pass. I imagine that's good for receiver development if they're looking to get time in the pros? He also seems to have more plays in the arsenal. He can drop it safely over the receiver's outside shoulder, have it there when the receiver makes his turn... And as I mentioned in the thread, he's fearless in the pocket, which allows the receivers to create if the routes breakdown. He has decent legs but the fumbling when hit is a problem.

We have a nice problem to have with Bradley and Finn.

That’s a glass half full analogy.

I think a lot of Toledo fans look at it as neither QB is good enough to start but since we have to pick one, go with Finn.

(09-25-2021 08:14 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 07:29 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I want to see Finn show he can throw the ball Two passes won't do it. That was his biggest problem. I guess we'll see soon.

Same here. At least when he is running for his life in the pocket he has more mobility to make a play.

Plus, we’ve seen enough of Bradley. Nice arm but throws too hard and too many picks. I just don’t see a starting QB that can win you a MAC title with Bradley.

If our much maligned OL is as weak as we've seen in our first four games, it makes sense to me to have a more mobile QB under center. Move that pocket, roll out, QB run throw option. Not that Bradly has done anything wrong. When we had Mitch G, someone else mentioned that maybe his mobility helped a weaker OL. When he went down so did our season. If Finn does deserve more minutes, we will eventually need to let him throw the ball or everyone in the stadium will know he's just in there to run.

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(09-26-2021 06:43 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 09:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Bradley does throw a hard pass. I imagine that's good for receiver development if they're looking to get time in the pros? He also seems to have more plays in the arsenal. He can drop it safely over the receiver's outside shoulder, have it there when the receiver makes his turn... And as I mentioned in the thread, he's fearless in the pocket, which allows the receivers to create if the routes breakdown. He has decent legs but the fumbling when hit is a problem.

We have a nice problem to have with Bradley and Finn.

That’s a glass half full analogy.

I think a lot of Toledo fans look at it as neither QB is good enough to start but since we have to pick one, go with Finn.

Maybe they're hoping for a transfer from Wisconsin or ND? I wouoldn't trade either of ours for what I saw out of that game, particularly Whisky.

Every QB misses a read or an open receiver that we can see with out better view in the stands. Our QBs' numbers say they do pretty well, particularly Bradley. We've all recognized that the OL is overmatched and not disciplined. That's who our QBs stand behind. I don't know if pono missed a negative or if that comment was intended but Bradley does very well in the pocket and is very patient, particulary given the OL difficulties and that they've just come off a year with very little experience. Finn does pretty well also.

As far as QB, I'm calling it more that glass half full, with concrete reasons given.

Speaking of our OL, anyone hear any word on Rosi?

(09-26-2021 08:43 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Speaking of our OL, anyone hear any word on Rosi?

Was he injured? I know we're all on the OL's and his case but I seem to recall he was lauded a year ago, or was that a brother? Hard to keep track.

(09-26-2021 09:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 08:43 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Speaking of our OL, anyone hear any word on Rosi?

Was he injured? I know we're all on the OL's and his case but I seem to recall he was lauded a year ago, or was that a brother? Hard to keep track.

He hasn't played since Norfolk State, presumably due to injury, but I haven't heard anything as to whether it is long term or what. Of course, our local reporters will never ask. Heck they probably don't even know he is out, given they have all said they thought coming into the season that the OL was the strength of the team. Need some new reporters along with some new coaches.

And some additional new fans. Seeing the student section gives me hope. Their grade is A+ so far this season.

(09-26-2021 09:35 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 08:43 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Speaking of our OL, anyone hear any word on Rosi?

Was he injured? I know we're all on the OL's and his case but I seem to recall he was lauded a year ago, or was that a brother? Hard to keep track.

He hasn't played since Norfolk State, presumably due to injury, but I haven't heard anything as to whether it is long term or what. Of course, our local reporters will never ask. Heck they probably don't even know he is out, given they have all said they thought coming into the season that the OL was the strength of the team. Need some new reporters along with some new coaches.

Talked to Rosi’s dad Steve before game Saturday and he indicated that his son will have surgery (toe) and will probably get a medical RS....

(09-26-2021 12:34 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:35 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 09:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 08:43 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Speaking of our OL, anyone hear any word on Rosi?

Was he injured? I know we're all on the OL's and his case but I seem to recall he was lauded a year ago, or was that a brother? Hard to keep track.

He hasn't played since Norfolk State, presumably due to injury, but I haven't heard anything as to whether it is long term or what. Of course, our local reporters will never ask. Heck they probably don't even know he is out, given they have all said they thought coming into the season that the OL was the strength of the team. Need some new reporters along with some new coaches.

Talked to Rosi’s dad Steve before game Saturday and he indicated that his son will have surgery (toe) and will probably get a medical RS....

Thanks for the info. Too bad. Hope for a good outcome for Nick.

For sure we miss Seymour. A power back can help wear down the defense. Our OL isn't going to wear down anybody. Third season in a row and still no OL. Are NCAA rule changes starting to take their toll on recruiting, or is it coaching, or conditioning? I will say, it doesn't seem like our running game has been particular creative, though--although I did not see the BSU game.

As far as QB, I like Bradley between the 20's and Finn in the red zone. Finn gives the defense an additional running option to cover.
Some of the receivers are in their 3rd season with Bradley. If they can't catch his balls by now I don't think it's on Bradley.

Settling for FG's most of the time is not going to cut it in the long run.

(09-26-2021 08:33 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 06:43 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 09:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Bradley does throw a hard pass. I imagine that's good for receiver development if they're looking to get time in the pros? He also seems to have more plays in the arsenal. He can drop it safely over the receiver's outside shoulder, have it there when the receiver makes his turn... And as I mentioned in the thread, he's fearless in the pocket, which allows the receivers to create if the routes breakdown. He has decent legs but the fumbling when hit is a problem.

We have a nice problem to have with Bradley and Finn.

That’s a glass half full analogy.

I think a lot of Toledo fans look at it as neither QB is good enough to start but since we have to pick one, go with Finn.

Maybe they're hoping for a transfer from Wisconsin or ND? I wouoldn't trade either of ours for what I saw out of that game, particularly Whisky.

Every QB misses a read or an open receiver that we can see with out better view in the stands. Our QBs' numbers say they do pretty well, particularly Bradley. We've all recognized that the OL is overmatched and not disciplined. That's who our QBs stand behind. I don't know if pono missed a negative or if that comment was intended but Bradley does very well in the pocket and is very patient, particulary given the OL difficulties and that they've just come off a year with very little experience. Finn does pretty well also.

As far as QB, I'm calling it more that glass half full, with concrete reasons given.

Doesn't look like Bradley has much feel for moving around the pocket to avoid the rush, or when to chuck it away and avoid a sack. I got no problem with his guts or passes. He seems willing to hang in there and find guys. Doesn't always have a lot of time though and not all QBs have that 6th sense of how to avoid the rush. That's why QBs like Rodgers and Wilson are superstars.

(09-26-2021 02:27 PM)pono Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 08:33 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 06:43 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-25-2021 09:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Bradley does throw a hard pass. I imagine that's good for receiver development if they're looking to get time in the pros? He also seems to have more plays in the arsenal. He can drop it safely over the receiver's outside shoulder, have it there when the receiver makes his turn... And as I mentioned in the thread, he's fearless in the pocket, which allows the receivers to create if the routes breakdown. He has decent legs but the fumbling when hit is a problem.

We have a nice problem to have with Bradley and Finn.

That’s a glass half full analogy.

I think a lot of Toledo fans look at it as neither QB is good enough to start but since we have to pick one, go with Finn.

Maybe they're hoping for a transfer from Wisconsin or ND? I wouoldn't trade either of ours for what I saw out of that game, particularly Whisky.

Every QB misses a read or an open receiver that we can see with out better view in the stands. Our QBs' numbers say they do pretty well, particularly Bradley. We've all recognized that the OL is overmatched and not disciplined. That's who our QBs stand behind. I don't know if pono missed a negative or if that comment was intended but Bradley does very well in the pocket and is very patient, particulary given the OL difficulties and that they've just come off a year with very little experience. Finn does pretty well also.

As far as QB, I'm calling it more that glass half full, with concrete reasons given.

Doesn't look like Bradley has much feel for moving around the pocket to avoid the rush, or when to chuck it away and avoid a sack. I got no problem with his guts or passes. He seems willing to hang in there and find guys. Doesn't always have a lot of time though and not all QBs have that 6th sense of how to avoid the rush. That's why QBs like Rodgers and Wilson are superstars.

!2 sacks on Bradley. That's a lot that could support your position. Finn is a small fraction of the plays and all his mobility has been sacked 5 times. Maybe they both have pocket awareness issues, if that's the case. I recall only two fumbles by Bradley. For someone sacked 12 times, that's not bad. And I think both of those were him running through the line. Bradley's passes MOSTLY have been on hands.

I think we're ok and his ratings will come up if the OL gets' it's issues worked out. As far as the hot ball, we had the same conversation on this board about a kid playing NFL at Tenn.

With all the Covid time missed, I think (hoping) these are experience issues. I think the OL will improve and the drops, whether receiver or QB caused will drop. Bradley has to concentrate on holding onto the ball when he does run through the line. I do think Coaching needs to apply a little stick to try and curb the penalities or learn some concentration exercises to put the players through.