(08-17-2021 08:01 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 07:47 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The Dems controlling every institution is going to make it very hard to recover.

(08-17-2021 04:33 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  All through the Carter years I knew that we'd be able to throw his sorry a$$ out in 1980.

In a fair, moral world, slow Joe and bimbo would be out on their a$$es in 2024. But the corrupt left cheated their way to "victory" in 2020 and I don't see fair elections happening in 2022 or 2024 either.

I don't have a good feeling about this. I don't know who would unless you're a complete moron... which half the country is.

The republicans can easily win in 2024 if they run a more moderate conservative without a lout of baggage. Strong fiscal conservative, reasonable on 2a, but moderate on social issues. Not trump, and most of the governors probably have too much baggage from covid. So probably a senator with 8 to 12 years of experience who doesn't get into twitter fights.

That pulls the republican party back together into one unit and captures undecided voters. The problem with our primary system is sometimes the candidate who can win the general can't make it through the primary.

I'd rather run a true conservative & lose than run a Mitt or Mccain & lose anyways.

When will it hit those of you that care more about party...

its not the person you put into the white house that's going to affect change. Its those republican lazy asses in the senate and house that most working people hate and formed the opinion (rightly so) they dont give a crap about them.

Till that changes or Another Trump comes along that can drag the republican party closer to working Americans. The republican party has lost. They had a real chance to change opinions after Trump won but the old school diehard republicans fought the president at every turn. They waited too late to jump on board.

Lets be honest most republicans in the house and senate over the last 25 years give off the feeling...

they are better than those working stiffs. If you cant win the working class, the republican party has no chance, today.

That is why we must vote not only for President but PRIMARY those old RINOS and get them out. Otherwise nothing will change.

(08-17-2021 04:48 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 04:33 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  All through the Carter years I knew that we'd be able to throw his sorry a$$ out in 1980.

In a fair, moral world, slow Joe and bimbo would be out on their a$$es in 2024. But the corrupt left cheated their way to "victory" in 2020 and I don't see fair elections happening in 2022 or 2024 either.

I don't have a good feeling about this. I don't know who would unless you're a complete moron... which half the country is.

The republicans can easily win in 2024 if they run a more moderate conservative without a lout of baggage. Strong fiscal conservative, reasonable on 2a, but moderate on social issues. Not trump, and most of the governors probably have too much baggage from covid. So probably a senator with 8 to 12 years of experience who doesn't get into twitter fights.

That pulls the republican party back together into one unit and captures undecided voters. The problem with our primary system is sometimes the candidate who can win the general can't make it through the primary.

Lol with all due respect, who wrote this?

You just ignoring all of the massive political shifts and gains Trump achieved not only in the 2016 election but even greater shifts unheard of for a Republican in half a century or more in 2020 election? That’s why many who actually study elections and are not DC shills say that it’s ‘strange’ that Trump didn’t win this election (he did though)

Push farther to the right and split the party into trumpublicans and moderate Republicans and there won’t be a Republican president for 20 years.

There were moderate Republicans in southern states in 2020 voting Biden and a Republican down ticket. The Republican Party can’t afford to cater fully to the trumpublicans and push the moderate Republicans out.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Trump faction vastly outnumbers the moderate, business as usual losers. They will have nowhere to go and if they choose to join with the dems, then they were not principled Republicans anyway. Just look at the losers in the never Trump movement. They were so principled that they voted dem. Anybody who can do that after the clusterfark we are watching now really hates America.

I don't think they were moderate Republicans so much as Trump was just too rough around the edges for them. The Republicans need to try running another Trump but w/out that baggage.

(08-17-2021 08:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:01 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 07:47 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The Dems controlling every institution is going to make it very hard to recover.

(08-17-2021 04:33 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  All through the Carter years I knew that we'd be able to throw his sorry a$$ out in 1980.

In a fair, moral world, slow Joe and bimbo would be out on their a$$es in 2024. But the corrupt left cheated their way to "victory" in 2020 and I don't see fair elections happening in 2022 or 2024 either.

I don't have a good feeling about this. I don't know who would unless you're a complete moron... which half the country is.

The republicans can easily win in 2024 if they run a more moderate conservative without a lout of baggage. Strong fiscal conservative, reasonable on 2a, but moderate on social issues. Not trump, and most of the governors probably have too much baggage from covid. So probably a senator with 8 to 12 years of experience who doesn't get into twitter fights.

That pulls the republican party back together into one unit and captures undecided voters. The problem with our primary system is sometimes the candidate who can win the general can't make it through the primary.

I'd rather run a true conservative & lose than run a Mitt or Mccain & lose anyways.

When will it hit those of you that care more about party...

its not the person you put into the white house that's going to affect change. Its those republican lazy asses in the senate and house that most working people hate and formed the opinion (rightly so) they dont give a crap about them.

Till that changes or Another Trump comes along that can drag the republican party closer to working Americans. The republican party has lost. They had a real chance to change opinions after Trump won but the old school diehard republicans fought the president at every turn. They waited too late to jump on board.

Lets be honest most republicans in the house and senate over the last 25 years give off the feeling...

they are better than those working stiffs. If you cant win the working class, the republican party has no chance, today.

That is why we must vote not only for President but PRIMARY those old RINOS and get them out. Otherwise nothing will change.

There you go again thinking a republican can win in borderline states or areas by being a old school republican. Biden will most likely screw up enough to make it easy in 2022 for republicans to take back one or both of the houses. I have no doubt the republican party will then screw that up....

old school needs to go and unless the republicans move closer to the center (WORKING AMERICA not just middle up) it will be the last time they hold both or one in a long long time.

Change is not only coming...its here and time for the republican party to change with it.

(08-17-2021 04:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Every gen has the Carter years.

The backlash will be Homeric

Ronald II is coming.

Keep the faith.

I hope you’re right but I just don’t see it. There is no one of the quality of Reagan to lead our Nation out of this dark time. Our country has never experienced anything like what the next 3+ years are going to hold.

I believe we have seen our last free election. In 2024, the enemy will be consolidating its power and preparing to remove any further resistance.

By 2028 many boomers will be gone. They will be replaced in society with the mindless morons straight from the indoctrination camps called universities.

The one saving grace I have seen lately is Census results that claim Americans are moving away from rural areas and into cities. This is good news for rednecks like me.

Have faith that God will bring us through this. Be bold and profess your faith while you can. By the time those in power are finished it will be a crime to be a Christian.

(08-17-2021 08:09 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 04:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Every gen has the Carter years.

The backlash will be Homeric

Ronald II is coming.

Keep the faith.

I hope you’re right but I just don’t see it. There is no one of the quality of Reagan to lead our Nation out of this dark time. Our country has never experienced anything like what the next 3+ years are going to hold.

I believe we have seen our last free election. In 2024, the enemy will be consolidating its power and preparing to remove any further resistance.

By 2028 many boomers will be gone. They will be replaced in society with the mindless morons straight from the indoctrination camps called universities.

The one saving grace I have seen lately is Census results that claim Americans are moving away from rural areas and into cities. This is good news for rednecks like me.

Have faith that God will bring us through this. Be bold and profess your faith while you can. By the time those in power are finished it will be a crime to be a Christian.

Where you are mistaking the boomers....

there's just as many in that group that struggles day to day as those that are living out their life with not the day to day worry. It doesnt matter if those living day to day made some wrong choices and got to this point in their life on those choices. If you can't win over that vote....

republican party has lost the war. You wont do that by old school republican tactic. Its move closer to the center and govern that way or the left moves farther left. That means given up on the old school republican party ideal of ...

if you havent made something of your life...DEAL THE F' WITH IT YOURSELF BECAUSE ITS YOUR FAULT. While those boomers dont like the social changes going on. The republican party has done nothing to show them they care about their last years on this earth. So while they might not like it they are not as worried about the social experiments taking place. As food, meds, housing. The republican party sucks ass in those areas

To the points I made above the republicans sit on their asses and refused to vote on the $1200 stimulus that President Trump wanted. Then it cost them 2 senate seats and not only did Biden get to sent out those $1400 checks but they added trillions more to it.

Republicans come across to working America as not caring. Especially when most of America was for another round of checks. Yes, If I had to bet my life even a few on this board was very happy about getting those checks...

even if they said on here they were against them

You are not winning half or more of the boomers or working Americans governing like that. If the republican party cant get more of that vote. They dont have a chance in hell after they F'up the win in '22

(08-17-2021 08:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  To the points I made above the republicans sit on their asses and refused to vote on the $1200 stimulus that President Trump wanted. Then it cost them 2 senate seats and not only did Biden get to sent out those $1400 checks but they added trillions more to it.

Republicans come across to working America as not caring. Especially when most of America was for another round of checks. Yes, If I had to bet my life even a few on this board was very happy about getting those checks...

even if they said on here they were against them

You are not winning half or more of the boomers or working Americans governing like that. If the republican party cant get more of that vote. They dont have a chance in hell after they F'up the win in '22

Voter fraud in two Atlanta counties cost them the two senate seats.

Republicans are elected with the same corporately backed money from 2 separate PAC funds. They work for the same CEO's as the Dems.

(08-17-2021 08:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 04:48 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 04:33 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 02:19 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  All through the Carter years I knew that we'd be able to throw his sorry a$$ out in 1980.

In a fair, moral world, slow Joe and bimbo would be out on their a$$es in 2024. But the corrupt left cheated their way to "victory" in 2020 and I don't see fair elections happening in 2022 or 2024 either.

I don't have a good feeling about this. I don't know who would unless you're a complete moron... which half the country is.

The republicans can easily win in 2024 if they run a more moderate conservative without a lout of baggage. Strong fiscal conservative, reasonable on 2a, but moderate on social issues. Not trump, and most of the governors probably have too much baggage from covid. So probably a senator with 8 to 12 years of experience who doesn't get into twitter fights.

That pulls the republican party back together into one unit and captures undecided voters. The problem with our primary system is sometimes the candidate who can win the general can't make it through the primary.

Lol with all due respect, who wrote this?

You just ignoring all of the massive political shifts and gains Trump achieved not only in the 2016 election but even greater shifts unheard of for a Republican in half a century or more in 2020 election? That’s why many who actually study elections and are not DC shills say that it’s ‘strange’ that Trump didn’t win this election (he did though)

Push farther to the right and split the party into trumpublicans and moderate Republicans and there won’t be a Republican president for 20 years.

There were moderate Republicans in southern states in 2020 voting Biden and a Republican down ticket. The Republican Party can’t afford to cater fully to the trumpublicans and push the moderate Republicans out.

Nothing but meaningless stale talking points

- Did moderates like McCain, Romney, W, Dole break through upper Midwest states with the disaffected working class whites like Trump? Who once was the backbone of the Democrat Party? NO

- Trump gained a massive amount of Hispanic vote without promising amnesty and open borders policy. Something DC pundits, advisors and moderates swore were the only way to curry their vote. He flip some Rio Grande Valley counties on the border in TX that was traditional Blue counties

- Trump had the highest minority turnout for a Republican in 60 years

- Trump gain the third largest margin ever for a sitting President in 2020 - thats 12 million more voters than in 2016 (HW Bush and Jimmy Carter lost about 4 million votes respectively in their reelection bids)

- Handily won FL and OH of which no candidate has won the WH without those two bellwether states since 1960, the last time there were questions about the integrity of the elections (number of books have talked about Kennedy’s Father dealings with the mafia to deliver Chicago and thus IL for his son)

- won 18 of 19 bellwether counties which consistently predicted the winner for decades upon decades. They all collapse in 2020…hmm!

(08-17-2021 08:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-17-2021 08:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  To the points I made above the republicans sit on their asses and refused to vote on the $1200 stimulus that President Trump wanted. Then it cost them 2 senate seats and not only did Biden get to sent out those $1400 checks but they added trillions more to it.

Republicans come across to working America as not caring. Especially when most of America was for another round of checks. Yes, If I had to bet my life even a few on this board was very happy about getting those checks...

even if they said on here they were against them

You are not winning half or more of the boomers or working Americans governing like that. If the republican party cant get more of that vote. They dont have a chance in hell after they F'up the win in '22

Voter fraud in two Atlanta counties cost them the two senate seats.

Republicans are elected with the same corporately backed money from 2 separate PAC funds. They work for the same CEO's as the Dems.

That might have helped but the fact the democrats could go to the media and say....

Vote for me and you will get $2,000 is why it was close enough to even cheat and win. That should have been off the table weeks before that election.

That's the picture old school republican have painted over the last 25 years. Or should I say let the democrats paint then in. How many trillion are we up to because the republicans would not bring it to the floor to vote on?

Before 2020 the republicans could bank on enough of the poor and working class would stay home on election night. That's no longer the case and if they continue to not come up with their own ideals to help what is the majority of this country deal with 3 basic needs...

meds
shelter
food

They will never win another election that the democrats just dont f'it up so bad. Because like it or not and even if its not true the democrats have enough history to paint republicans into that picture. Then lie enough to make that large voting block think they care about them. While a majority of those hate the special interest just as much as republicans. Meds, Food, and shelter will out weight that dislike 10 to 1

Conservatives support Republicans due to lack of options. That’s why Trump was such an anomaly. We all saw firsthand the way Republicans treated him. If a third party would stand up, Conservatives would support it.

(08-17-2021 08:07 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't think they were moderate Republicans so much as Trump was too self-absorbed, over-confident and irrationally and unjustifiably self-entitled to do even the most basic things needed of an incumbent seeking reelection such that he, and he alone, managed to throw away an otherwise winnable contest. The Republicans need to try running another Trump but w/out that baggage.

I added just a little bit of needed context.

No one on this thread, at least not so far, appears willing to acknowledge that there were more than a few voices in summer and fall 2020 warning that President Trump was blowing his reelection chances. How dare any of you question the magnificent orange bastard? You pansy-assed RINOs.

Whatever level of election fraud occurred that ended up installing the socialist puppet Biden into the White House, it was Donald Trump (and ultimately no one else) who made it possible.

(08-18-2021 03:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Conservatives support Republicans due to lack of options. That’s why Trump was such an anomaly. We all saw firsthand the way Republicans treated him. If a third party would stand up, Conservatives would support it.

As do most libertarians, small l or capital L. There are just no other viable options.

Trump voter does not automatically equal Trump supporter despite what lunatics on the Left believe.

(08-18-2021 03:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Conservatives support Republicans due to lack of options. That’s why Trump was such an anomaly. We all saw firsthand the way Republicans treated him. If a third party would stand up, Conservatives would support it.

do you not remember “don’t underestimate the Donald” threatening to run (I) when the pubs initially shunned him…then the rinos stepped up with the msm to muck the works…

there’s a reason the pubs and librariantards are dipshites vs. the evil dipshites that are locked arm & hammer…

the 3rd party argument only further ensures donk rule…

I love ya, CJ, but until the pubs coalesce with a solvent centrist incentivized platform, they’re toast in any urban center…which is who drives today’s bus…

@missedItByAdecade

I agree with stink, a 3rd party just means Libs ruling.

It does. Doesn’t change the fact that libertarians support the R’s because it’s by far the lesser of 2 evils.

(08-18-2021 07:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I agree with stink, a 3rd party just means Libs ruling.

it’s simple logic vs. #s…

it doesn’t matter if one likes the why or the who … what matters is how to regain and build faith in our republic … that’s why #henceDJT #DJTexperiment

we are are currently in the collapse of independence spiraling into another failed empire…

@didNotHaveToBeThisWay

(08-18-2021 07:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It does. Doesn’t change the fact that libertarians support the R’s because it’s by far the lesser of 2 evils.

if this board is any indication, the above = 0

Am I crazy, but I always thought Trump was a moderate Republican albeit with some strong Nationalist/Populist leanings. It's not like we elected Cruz, Huckabee, or Pence