(08-16-2021 08:49 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Curious how many unvaccinated died during the same time frame of measurement (vaccines beginning to now).

May 1st until now there have been 1597 vaccinated deaths.
May 1st until now there have been 39k total deaths from Covid

On May 1st we had 112M people fully vaccinated, now we have 168M. It's harder to assign a rate per 100k to vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths over this time period given that the number of vaccinated people changed by 50M. We can use 140M for a rough average of the vaccinated population, which gives us a death rate of 20.7 per 100k people for the unvaccinated since May 1st and 1.1 per 100k people for the vaccinated since May 1st.

Can you prove how many fully vaxed people would have died had they not been vaxed. I wanna see the data on how many vaxxed people didnt have comorbidities and were healthy otherwise.

Critical thinking folks. None of those vaxed people were killed by elephants either. Obviously it prevents death from elephant stampedes.

(08-16-2021 08:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:12 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:53 PM)b2b Wrote:  I'm guessing at least a few were morbidly obese.

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So if you are fat or old the "vaccine" doesnt work?

Can you even imagine how absurd that sounds.

Here is the polio vax, nah never mind you are fat and old.

Well Covid is harder on people who are fat. People can still have Covid symptoms after getting "vaxxed" so it stands to reason fat people would also have a harder time after the "vax".

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Then. Its. Not. A. Vaccine.

It's a sorta kinda vaccine. Science and all.

I'm not an expert on vaccines. There seems to be a stark difference in the viral vaccines in general. For example, the MMR shot is a vaccine for viruses that is very highly successful. However, it begs the question: are these vaccines effective at keeping us safe from these viruses or do they appear to work because there are very low probabilities of being in contact with the viruses in the first place? I believe the original vaccines that mostly eradicated these diseases were individual and not the modern day versions of the MMR. I'm inclined to believe this specific vaccine (MMR) is highly effective.

We know that the traditional flu vaccines were more hit or miss, and that they more or less worked in most patients. We know this from decades of data where stats were shown that some people still got the flu - and a few died - despite having the flu vaccine. I'm thinking the Covid vaccines are much more in line with how the traditional flu vaccines perform. We'll still see vaccinated people get covid, and we'll probably still see a small percentage of them die. However, the vaccines are probably mostly effective.

All this said, I don't trust the people in charge of the CDC. I think they change the rules on the fly plus manipulate the data in order to control the population.

Some vaccines are targeted for environments where the disease is already eradicated. In the US we now only give Inactivated Polio Vaccine, which is safer than Oral Polio Vaccine and still provides 90%+ effectiveness. This is considered good enough because polio is eradicated in the US.

In other countries where polio hasn't been eradicated you would get several doses of Oral Polio Vaccine plus a shot of Inactivated Polio Vaccine. Once Polio is eradicated globally then everyone will switch to Inactivated Polio Vaccine.

(08-16-2021 09:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:12 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  So if you are fat or old the "vaccine" doesnt work?

Can you even imagine how absurd that sounds.

Here is the polio vax, nah never mind you are fat and old.

Well Covid is harder on people who are fat. People can still have Covid symptoms after getting "vaxxed" so it stands to reason fat people would also have a harder time after the "vax".

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Then. Its. Not. A. Vaccine.

It's a sorta kinda vaccine. Science and all.

I'm not an expert on vaccines. There seems to be a stark difference in the viral vaccines in general. For example, the MMR shot is a vaccine for viruses that is very highly successful. However, it begs the question: are these vaccines effective at keeping us safe from these viruses or do they appear to work because there are very low probabilities of being in contact with the viruses in the first place? I believe the original vaccines that mostly eradicated these diseases were individual and not the modern day versions of the MMR. I'm inclined to believe this specific vaccine (MMR) is highly effective.

We know that the traditional flu vaccines were more hit or miss, and that they more or less worked in most patients. We know this from decades of data where stats were shown that some people still got the flu - and a few died - despite having the flu vaccine. I'm thinking the Covid vaccines are much more in line with how the traditional flu vaccines perform. We'll still see vaccinated people get covid, and we'll probably still see a small percentage of them die. However, the vaccines are probably mostly effective.

All this said, I don't trust the people in charge of the CDC. I think they change the rules on the fly plus manipulate the data in order to control the population.

Some vaccines are targeted for environments where the disease is already eradicated. In the US we now only give Inactivated Polio Vaccine, which is safer than Oral Polio Vaccine and still provides 90%+ effectiveness. This is considered good enough because polio is eradicated in the US.

In other countries where polio hasn't been eradicated you would get several doses of Oral Polio Vaccine plus a shot of Inactivated Polio Vaccine. Once Polio is eradicated globally then everyone will switch to Inactivated Polio Vaccine.

Link?

Like I said, it's a covid "might not kill you, we hope" shot.

(08-16-2021 09:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:00 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 08:12 PM)b2b Wrote:  Well Covid is harder on people who are fat. People can still have Covid symptoms after getting "vaxxed" so it stands to reason fat people would also have a harder time after the "vax".

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Then. Its. Not. A. Vaccine.

It's a sorta kinda vaccine. Science and all.

I'm not an expert on vaccines. There seems to be a stark difference in the viral vaccines in general. For example, the MMR shot is a vaccine for viruses that is very highly successful. However, it begs the question: are these vaccines effective at keeping us safe from these viruses or do they appear to work because there are very low probabilities of being in contact with the viruses in the first place? I believe the original vaccines that mostly eradicated these diseases were individual and not the modern day versions of the MMR. I'm inclined to believe this specific vaccine (MMR) is highly effective.

We know that the traditional flu vaccines were more hit or miss, and that they more or less worked in most patients. We know this from decades of data where stats were shown that some people still got the flu - and a few died - despite having the flu vaccine. I'm thinking the Covid vaccines are much more in line with how the traditional flu vaccines perform. We'll still see vaccinated people get covid, and we'll probably still see a small percentage of them die. However, the vaccines are probably mostly effective.

All this said, I don't trust the people in charge of the CDC. I think they change the rules on the fly plus manipulate the data in order to control the population.

Some vaccines are targeted for environments where the disease is already eradicated. In the US we now only give Inactivated Polio Vaccine, which is safer than Oral Polio Vaccine and still provides 90%+ effectiveness. This is considered good enough because polio is eradicated in the US.

In other countries where polio hasn't been eradicated you would get several doses of Oral Polio Vaccine plus a shot of Inactivated Polio Vaccine. Once Polio is eradicated globally then everyone will switch to Inactivated Polio Vaccine.

Link?

Like I said, it's a covid "might not kill you, we hope" shot.

These guys should have more than you ever wanted to know about global polio vaccines: https://polioeradication.org/

CDC will have US info.

He has no proof

“Muh CDC”

Moron

(08-16-2021 09:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  He has no proof

“Muh CDC”

Moron

Muh facebook quotes are so easy to spot.

Get busy living, or get busy dying.

What are you morons talking about?

To calculate breakthrough rate vs unvaccinated death rates I used the published CDC breakthrough deaths, and pulled the total number of covid deaths for the same time period. After that its just simple division to calculate a rate per 100k, If you guys finished elementary school you should be able to manage it.

CDC is a lying bureaucracy you loon

(08-16-2021 09:18 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  What are you morons talking about?

To calculate breakthrough rate vs unvaccinated death rates I used the published CDC breakthrough deaths, and pulled the total number of covid deaths for the same time period. After that its just simple division to calculate a rate per 100k, If you guys finished elementary school you should be able to manage it.

I really dont think you have the mental acuity to understand the argument. You havent considered the other variables. How many vaccinated were never at risk due to mandates? It's not that complicated. You are looking at the data that only supports your bias

Forget it, its hopeless with some.

Answer me this:

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Can you prove how many fully vaxed people would have died had they not been vaxed. I wanna see the data on how many vaxxed people didnt have comorbidities and were healthy otherwise.

Critical thinking folks. None of those vaxed people were killed by elephants either. Obviously it prevents death from elephant stampedes.

(08-16-2021 09:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  CDC is a lying bureaucracy you loon

"They don't support my confirmation bias so they must be lying". The usual story.

(08-16-2021 09:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  CDC is a lying bureaucracy you loon

"They don't support my confirmation bias so they must be lying". The usual story.

Do it. Explain this.

Can you prove how many fully vaxed people would have died had they not been vaxed. I wanna see the data on how many vaxxed people didnt have comorbidities and were healthy otherwise.

Critical thinking folks. None of those vaxed people were killed by elephants either. Obviously it prevents death from elephant stampedes.

You cant. Period. Theyve only presented the data to support the outcome they desire.

(08-16-2021 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  1

Fully vaccinated people dying

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2021/08/16/...rom-covid/

And another

https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/fully-vacc...-covid-19/

And another

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local...41161c0d5c

And another

https://www.marinij.com/2021/08/13/marin...ted-death/

And another

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-g...death.html

And even more


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-br...ation.html


"CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination"
"The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750"


________
Stop your superior finger wagging you vax pushing covidians.

Shere the communist party of US has taken down all but the last link.

(08-16-2021 09:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  1

Fully vaccinated people dying

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2021/08/16/...rom-covid/

And another

https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/fully-vacc...-covid-19/

And another

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local...41161c0d5c

And another

https://www.marinij.com/2021/08/13/marin...ted-death/

And another

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-g...death.html

And even more


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-br...ation.html


"CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination"
"The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750"


________
Stop your superior finger wagging you vax pushing covidians.

Shere the communist party of US has taken down all but the last link.

I guess I should be astonished but I'm not.

(08-16-2021 09:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  1

Fully vaccinated people dying

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2021/08/16/...rom-covid/

12 fully-vaccinated El Pasoans have now died of Covid-1
And another

https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/fully-vacc...-covid-19/

A fully vaccinated 36-year-old Southwest Airlines flight attendant from New York died after contracting COVID-19.

And another

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local...41161c0d5c
'I can't breathe' | Family shares last moments after vaccinated San Antonio mother dies from COVID-19

And another

https://www.marinij.com/2021/08/13/marin...ted-death/

Friend Remembers Vaccinated Woman Who Died From COVID-19 in Marin County

And another

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-g...death.html

Greece has recorded the first death of a fully vaccinated patient from COVID-19 without underlying symptoms, an official at one of the country's leading hospitals said Sunday.

And even more


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-br...ation.html


"CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination"
"The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750"


________
Stop your superior finger wagging you vax pushing covidians.

Shere the communist party of US has taken down all but the last link.

I guess I should be astonished but I'm not. It's still out there. They are blocking links. I edited to add headlines

(08-16-2021 09:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  CDC is a lying bureaucracy you loon

"They don't support my confirmation bias so they must be lying". The usual story.

Do it. Explain this.

Can you prove how many fully vaxed people would have died had they not been vaxed. I wanna see the data on how many vaxxed people didnt have comorbidities and were healthy otherwise.

Critical thinking folks. None of those vaxed people were killed by elephants either. Obviously it prevents death from elephant stampedes.

You cant. Period. Theyve only presented the data to support the outcome they desire.

Your argument, if I am following it, is that somehow the fully vaccinated population of 140M people (or 112M to 158M depending on the exact time during the window) somehow got all the healthy people, and that is the reason that the unvaccinated population is dying of covid at a rate 20x higher? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard excluding most of BartlettTigerFan's posts. These aren't samples of the population, I'm comparing the covid death rate of the entire vaccinated population of the US against the entire unvaccinated population. The populations are WAY too large for there to be that kind of difference in them, and they provided vaccine eligibility first to the highest risk which honestly probably skews the vaccinated population slightly AWAY from your argument.

People in the unvaccinated population (180M) died of covid at a rate of 20 per 100k while the unvaccinated (140M) died of covid at a rate of 1 per 100k. Full stop. No tricks. It's simple math that you can do(I hope), just go pull the number of covid deaths from May1 until August 9th.

Israel has provided vaccinated vs unvaccinated with more demographic breakdowns (like over 65 rates) but it isn't death data that I've seen, just hospitalizations. If I recall you didn't like those numbers either because they showed the vaccine working.

Breakthrough Deaths : https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/he...cases.html
Covid Deaths : https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...rendscases
Vacinated People : https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...-fully-***

then do math.

(08-16-2021 09:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  1

Fully vaccinated people dying

https://kvia.com/coronavirus/2021/08/16/...rom-covid/

12 fully-vaccinated El Pasoans have now died of Covid-1
And another

https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/fully-vacc...-covid-19/

A fully vaccinated 36-year-old Southwest Airlines flight attendant from New York died after contracting COVID-19.

And another

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local...41161c0d5c
'I can't breathe' | Family shares last moments after vaccinated San Antonio mother dies from COVID-19

And another

https://www.marinij.com/2021/08/13/marin...ted-death/

Friend Remembers Vaccinated Woman Who Died From COVID-19 in Marin County

And another

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-08-g...death.html

Greece has recorded the first death of a fully vaccinated patient from COVID-19 without underlying symptoms, an official at one of the country's leading hospitals said Sunday.

And even more


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-br...ation.html


"CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccination"
"The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750"


________
Stop your superior finger wagging you vax pushing covidians.

Shere the communist party of US has taken down all but the last link.

I guess I should be astonished but I'm not. It's still out there. They are blocking links. I edited to add headlines

Your links are just pasted wrong. The links all have ... in the link.

(08-16-2021 09:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  CDC is a lying bureaucracy you loon

"They don't support my confirmation bias so they must be lying". The usual story.

Do it. Explain this.

Can you prove how many fully vaxed people would have died had they not been vaxed. I wanna see the data on how many vaxxed people didnt have comorbidities and were healthy otherwise.

Critical thinking folks. None of those vaxed people were killed by elephants either. Obviously it prevents death from elephant stampedes.

You cant. Period. Theyve only presented the data to support the outcome they desire.

Your argument, if I am following it, is that somehow the fully vaccinated population of 140M people (or 112M to 158M depending on the exact time during the window) somehow got all the healthy people, and that is the reason that the unvaccina


ted population is dying of covid at a rate 20x higher? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard excluding most of BartlettTigerFan's posts. These aren't samples of the population, I'm comparing the covid death rate of the entire vaccinated population of the US against the entire unvaccinated population. The populations are WAY too large for there to be that kind of difference in them, and they provided vaccine eligibility first to the highest risk which honestly probably skews the vaccinated population slightly AWAY from your argument.

People in the unvaccinated population (180M) died of covid at a rate of 20 per 100k while the unvaccinated (140M) died of covid at a rate of 1 per 100k. Full stop. No tricks. It's simple math that you can do(I hope), just go pull the number of covid deaths from May1 until August 9th.

Israel has provided vaccinated vs unvaccinated with more demographic breakdowns (like over 65 rates) but it isn't death data that I've seen, just hospitalizations. If I recall you didn't like those numbers either because they showed the vaccine working.

Breakthrough Deaths : https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/he...cases.html
Covid Deaths : https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...rendscases
Vacinated People : https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...-fully-***

then do math.

You still dont frickin get it. I cant dumb it down more for you. You vaccinate a shittone of young healthy people because they are coerced and vaccinated people die at a lower rate. Dammit man. There is not enough data to make the vax assumptions you assume. You can logically calculate the number of angels that can fit in the head of a pin with advanced calculus if you allow for certain givens. You are frickin hopeless. I dont give a shite what you think or what mindless contrived cdc stats you spew.

Congrats. You've managed to actually piss me off with your simpleton shite, a feat rarely accomplished.

Vax your dog your cat your goldfish. Vax a damn cockroach. Idgaf.

(08-16-2021 10:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 09:25 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  CDC is a lying bureaucracy you loon

"They don't support my confirmation bias so they must be lying". The usual story.

Do it. Explain this.

Can you prove how many fully vaxed people would have died had they not been vaxed. I wanna see the data on how many vaxxed people didnt have comorbidities and were healthy otherwise.

Critical thinking folks. None of those vaxed people were killed by elephants either. Obviously it prevents death from elephant stampedes.

You cant. Period. Theyve only presented the data to support the outcome they desire.

Your argument, if I am following it, is that somehow the fully vaccinated population of 140M people (or 112M to 158M depending on the exact time during the window) somehow got all the healthy people, and that is the reason that the unvaccina


ted population is dying of covid at a rate 20x higher? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard excluding most of BartlettTigerFan's posts. These aren't samples of the population, I'm comparing the covid death rate of the entire vaccinated population of the US against the entire unvaccinated population. The populations are WAY too large for there to be that kind of difference in them, and they provided vaccine eligibility first to the highest risk which honestly probably skews the vaccinated population slightly AWAY from your argument.

People in the unvaccinated population (180M) died of covid at a rate of 20 per 100k while the unvaccinated (140M) died of covid at a rate of 1 per 100k. Full stop. No tricks. It's simple math that you can do(I hope), just go pull the number of covid deaths from May1 until August 9th.

Israel has provided vaccinated vs unvaccinated with more demographic breakdowns (like over 65 rates) but it isn't death data that I've seen, just hospitalizations. If I recall you didn't like those numbers either because they showed the vaccine working.

Breakthrough Deaths : https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/he...cases.html
Covid Deaths : https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...rendscases
Vacinated People : https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...-fully-***

then do math.

You still dont frickin get it. I cant dumb it down more for you. You vaccinate a shittone of young healthy people because they are coerced and vaccinated people die at a lower rate. Dammit man. There is not enough data to make the vax assumptions you assume. You can logically calculate the number of angels that can fit in the head of a pin with advanced calculus if you allow for certain givens. You are frickin hopeless. I dont give a shite what you think or what mindless contrived cdc stats you spew.

Congrats. You've managed to actually piss me off with your simpleton shite, a feat rarely accomplished.

Vax your dog your cat your goldfish. Vax a damn cockroach. Idgaf.

Your argument forgets about the fact that the unvaccinated population includes 40M healthy kids under 11 who can’t get the vaccine and have very low covid mortality. The unvaccinated death rate would be worse if they were excluded from the calculation as they aren’t eligible.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

(08-16-2021 08:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Yes, I have to admit, elvii is right.

I'm not vaccinated. I died.

Me too. I'm just ghosting y'all.