Bilas called for it as an ESPN trial balloon. This is how it may look in the end:

ACC (16)*
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Louisville.

SEC (14)
Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Clemson.

*Notre Dame (perhaps playing required games out of both conferences).

(08-08-2021 01:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  Bilas called for it as an ESPN trial balloon. This is how it may look in the end:

ACC (16)*
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Louisville.

SEC (14)
Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Clemson.

*Notre Dame (perhaps playing required games out of both conferences).

So put all the 2nd class citizens in the ACC? Wow, that stinks!

(08-08-2021 02:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 01:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  Bilas called for it as an ESPN trial balloon. This is how it may look in the end:

ACC (16)*
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Louisville.

SEC (14)
Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Clemson.

*Notre Dame (perhaps playing required games out of both conferences).

So put all the 2nd class citizens in the ACC? Wow, that stinks!

Yep! If the shoe fits.............

although the divide is mostly based on stadium size.

(08-08-2021 02:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 01:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  Bilas called for it as an ESPN trial balloon. This is how it may look in the end:

ACC (16)*
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Louisville.

SEC (14)
Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Clemson.

*Notre Dame (perhaps playing required games out of both conferences).

So put all the 2nd class citizens in the ACC? Wow, that stinks!

Yep! If the shoe fits.............

although the divide is mostly based on stadium size.

The only size outlier is Miami. Put them with the smaller ones and everyone in the Big boy divisions seat 80K to 110K

(08-08-2021 02:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 01:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  Bilas called for it as an ESPN trial balloon. This is how it may look in the end:

ACC (16)*
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Louisville.

SEC (14)
Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Clemson.

*Notre Dame (perhaps playing required games out of both conferences).

So put all the 2nd class citizens in the ACC? Wow, that stinks!

That looks like a setup for relegation and promotion leagues.

Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

(08-08-2021 02:51 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

Why would the money be impossible?

Also, as you climb past 16 you need to look at a structure with 18 so if you added Miami, you might add Kansas.

Little Boy South:

MSU/Ole Miss/GT/Miami/WF/NC State

Little Boy East:

BC/VT/UVa/Duke/UNC/Vandy

Little Boy North:

Kansas/Mizzou/Louisville/UK/Pitt/Syracuse

Two permanent cross overs and two rotating conference games for 9 total games. 2 games for big boys and whatever is left of the P12 and B10, and a chump.

(08-08-2021 02:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:51 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

Why would the money be impossible?

Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

(08-08-2021 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:51 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

Why would the money be impossible?

Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

A 30,000 gap between your home seating and the big boys means a minimum money gap of over $20 million, each year, every year, no matter what you do between big boys and little boys. Nothing fixes this gap. The only way you reduce the effect of such a gap is to reduce direct competition an OOC affair and then only play 1-2 of them a year.

(08-08-2021 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:51 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

Why would the money be impossible?

Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

You really only need enough money to be able to compete with those in your own conference. Income levels would be closer with teams whose stadiums were similar in size.

(08-08-2021 03:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:51 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

Why would the money be impossible?

Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:51 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Not bad, looks attractive. The money would be impossible though to work through.

Why would the money be impossible?

Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

(08-08-2021 03:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 02:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Why would the money be impossible?

Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

I get the format, but the money is what will prevent it. What out of the goodness of ESPN's heart they are going to overpay the ACC to make them the same as the SEC? The ACC is stuck.

The SEC has no reason to do this at all. Zero.

(08-08-2021 03:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Very few teams in the ACC add any new money. UNC, FSU,CLemson,VT(UVA) all will (maybe) add. the rest would not add enough.

I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

I get the format, but the money is what will prevent it. What out of the goodness of ESPN's heart they are going to overpay the ACC to make them the same as the SEC? The ACC is stuck.

The SEC has no reason to do this at all. Zero.

Who is talking about paying this ACC the same. X did not say that, how you reading that into it? Plus that's a decision for Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou, and Vandy, not the entire SEC per se. I still think you fundamentally misunderstand what X suggest.

In talking about Bilas idea, X is acknowledging that to keep a program and a fan base alive, you have to win something once in a while. 10 years of ass whippn's will kill off your program - look at Kansas football.

Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and MSU all five have small stadiums compared to the SEC and specially challenged programs due to poor states, states with small populations, etc., etc.

The month that you get Bama, OU, Texas, and LSU back to back to back to back and it will happen is the month that ruins you chances in the next three games. There are a lot of 3-9's, 4-8's, and 5-7's waiting for these 5. Doing something after an upset become even more of a stretch than it is now.

(08-08-2021 03:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

I get the format, but the money is what will prevent it. What out of the goodness of ESPN's heart they are going to overpay the ACC to make them the same as the SEC? The ACC is stuck.

The SEC has no reason to do this at all. Zero.

Who is talking about paying this ACC the same. X did not say that, how you reading that into it? Plus that's a decision for Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou, and Vandy, not the entire SEC per se. I still think you fundamentally misunderstand what X suggest.

It isn't logical that is the problem. Ultimately money will become central. You have to take it into account. I want you to explain how you get over that hurdle. This is Dude of WV worthy ideas. What benefit is it to the ACC money wise? What does the SEC get by dividing?

(08-08-2021 03:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

I get the format, but the money is what will prevent it. What out of the goodness of ESPN's heart they are going to overpay the ACC to make them the same as the SEC? The ACC is stuck.

The SEC has no reason to do this at all. Zero.

Who is talking about paying this ACC the same. X did not say that, how you reading that into it? Plus that's a decision for Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou, and Vandy, not the entire SEC per se. I still think you fundamentally misunderstand what X suggest.

It isn't logical that is the problem. Ultimately money will become central. You have to take it into account. I want you to explain how you get over that hurdle. This is Dude of WV worthy ideas. What benefit is it to the ACC money wise? What does the SEC get by dividing?

This is impossible for you to understand I suppose, but money is not everything when you can't ******* win a game and can't keep your fan base because you can't win a ******* game. If NC State was given 200 million a year to play in the NFC East that sounds like great money but how many 1-16 seasons will it take before there are no NC State football fans, only a few visitors from other teams?

(08-08-2021 03:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

I get the format, but the money is what will prevent it. What out of the goodness of ESPN's heart they are going to overpay the ACC to make them the same as the SEC? The ACC is stuck.

The SEC has no reason to do this at all. Zero.

Who is talking about paying this ACC the same. X did not say that, how you reading that into it? Plus that's a decision for Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou, and Vandy, not the entire SEC per se. I still think you fundamentally misunderstand what X suggest.

It isn't logical that is the problem. Ultimately money will become central. You have to take it into account. I want you to explain how you get over that hurdle. This is Dude of WV worthy ideas. What benefit is it to the ACC money wise? What does the SEC get by dividing?

(08-08-2021 03:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-08-2021 03:06 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I don't think you understand the nature of X's suggestion.

Explain how the money will work in a merger? I am curious.

For an Ole Miss, Vandy, MSU, and Mizzou, they are no longer directly competing in the SEC west against Bama, TAMU, and soon to be Texas and OU. They are competing against something their own size. Now, they might schedule a game with Alabama, or OU, but if they lose it, they are not losing their shot at the conference playoff.

Lets say Ole Miss is 10-2 with losses to Bama, and at Texas. The would still host a wild card playoff game in a 4 school conference title set up, could still win the ACC title, and still make a national playoff at 12-2 even with losses to Bama and Texas, by being the ACC champ. The absolute need to then beat a big boy does not arise to the national playoff.

A great coach and smart players can pull an upset in what is on paper an uneven match. But they can't do that for 4-5 games over a 12 game span. The little boys are usually beaten down when they have to go to their second team players who are not nearly the quality of big boy scrubs.

I get the format, but the money is what will prevent it. What out of the goodness of ESPN's heart they are going to overpay the ACC to make them the same as the SEC? The ACC is stuck.

The SEC has no reason to do this at all. Zero.

Who is talking about paying this ACC the same. X did not say that, how you reading that into it? Plus that's a decision for Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou, and Vandy, not the entire SEC per se. I still think you fundamentally misunderstand what X suggest.

In talking about Bilas idea, X is acknowledging that to keep a program and a fan base alive, you have to win something once in a while. 10 years of ass whippn's will kill off your program - look at Kansas football.

Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and MSU all five have small stadiums compared to the SEC and specially challenged programs due to poor states, states with small populations, etc., etc.

The month that you get Bama, OU, Texas, and LSU back to back to back to back and it will happen is the month that ruins you chances in the next three games. There are a lot of 3-9's, 4-8's, and 5-7's waiting for these 5. Doing something after an upset become even more of a stretch than it is now.

Vandy has been a football afterthought for 100 years. Yet Vandy is happy to collect the SEC payouts. I don’t see Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss State, etc wanting this deal.

Yea this is dumbest effing line up I have ever seen with putting all the good football schools in one division and so forth. Only an idiot would think something like this would work. If the two conferences decided to play under a umbrella their not going to switch up teams so you have one all mighty division or conference. It will be most likely a scheduling alliance where they will use each other for the OOC games instead of scheduling cupcakes left and right. This would make for better ACC/SEC network material to be distributed than scheduling the likes of Eastern this and Southern that. No way anyone is going to go for this stupid split the OP demonstrated I guarantee it.

(08-08-2021 07:23 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Yea this is dumbest effing line up I have ever seen with putting all the good football schools in one division and so forth. Only an idiot would think something like this would work. If the two conferences decided to play under a umbrella their not going to switch up teams so you have one all mighty division or conference. It will be most likely a scheduling alliance where they will use each other for the OOC games instead of scheduling cupcakes left and right. This would make for better ACC/SEC network material to be distributed than scheduling the likes of Eastern this and Southern that. No way anyone is going to go for this stupid split the OP demonstrated I guarantee it.

So, what is the SEC west today? Do Arkansas, Ole Miss, and MSU have a chance in Hell of winning the SEC west today?

In the 30 years since the SEC expanded, neither Ole Miss, nor MSU have won the SEC West and between the two of them they have finished 2nd just 6 or 7 times. In the 30 years since the SEC expanded, Vandy finished better than 5th just 3 times, with its highest being 3rd in 2008. Arkansas has not been relevant for 15 years in the SEC West. Mizzou has not been relevant in the SEC East for 7 years. All four of them are looking at having not one, but two more games with the likes of Texas, OU, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, TAMU, Auburn, and Florida each year. How you think that's going to go over with the hometown crowd? It's one thing to play an exciting schedule, it's another to play an impossible schedule.