(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

Here is a question. How many votes does it take to nullify the GOR? Or is it all 15 schools?

(07-24-2021 12:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

Here is a question. How many votes does it take to nullify the GOR? Or is it all 15 schools?

Why does it have to be nullified? Moving from the ACC to the SEC is moving from the side of Disney that doesn't pay you well to the side of Disney that does pay you well. It's an in-house move with the rights holder.

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

No objection here.

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(07-24-2021 12:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

Here is a question. How many votes does it take to nullify the GOR? Or is it all 15 schools?

Why does it have to be nullified? Moving from the ACC to the SEC is moving from the side of Disney that doesn't pay you well to the side of Disney that does pay you well. It's an in-house move with the rights holder.

True, but those affected schools (WF, BC, Syracuse) will not just shrug their shoulders and wave good bye. Is there a way for a jailbreak to happen?

(07-24-2021 12:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

Here is a question. How many votes does it take to nullify the GOR? Or is it all 15 schools?

Why does it have to be nullified? Moving from the ACC to the SEC is moving from the side of Disney that doesn't pay you well to the side of Disney that does pay you well. It's an in-house move with the rights holder.

Yep. In my opinion, ESPN wants to keep Fox(Big 10) out of NC, Va, and or Ga. They really just want the ACC to get ND and one other, then the have 32 teams under control with giant football brands and populace states for their networks.


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(07-24-2021 12:54 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 12:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Let the record show no contrary opinions from those teams were lodged.

Here is a question. How many votes does it take to nullify the GOR? Or is it all 15 schools?

Why does it have to be nullified? Moving from the ACC to the SEC is moving from the side of Disney that doesn't pay you well to the side of Disney that does pay you well. It's an in-house move with the rights holder.

Yep. In my opinion, ESPN wants to keep Fox(Big 10) out of NC, Va, and or Ga. They really just want the ACC to get ND and one other, then the have 32 teams under control with giant football brands and populace states for their networks.


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This I agree with. If ESPN can get ND under it's umbrella that may pack in the rest of realignment for a long while (In regards to ESPN). NBC is the outlier in all of this. They have one cfb team, with very little interest in getting more. With nbcsports shutting down I wonder what their commitment are to sports (NFL they still have).

Posing a question here: the ACC is going to have to come up with some sort of rules regarding NIL and the like correct? As diverse as the ACC membership is, I find it hard to believe that everyone is going to see eye to eye. If the conference veers toward more rigid standards would members who wanted more freedom have a legal claim to challenge the GOR and exit fees?

(07-23-2021 06:31 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  At this point? To be invited to the SEC along with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, NC State, and North Carolina.

Anybody in the group of teams above wish to contradict me on this?

Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Or should I say

KIDS LOVE SWAG

(07-25-2021 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Duke and Wake are the two biggest sinking forces in the TV contracts for football. Wake tries, they're just the smallest school in D1 FBS. Duke doesn't even try. It's difficult to see either around in FBS football after another decade or two.

(07-25-2021 10:46 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Duke and Wake are the two biggest sinking forces in the TV contracts for football. Wake tries, they're just the smallest school in D1 FBS. Duke doesn't even try. It's difficult to see either around in FBS football after another decade or two.

UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVa will not "abandon" WF. What that actually looks like is difficult to say. If an ACC "children's table" is established the cost of keeping up the children is the issue. If WF and Duke decided to stop football tomorrow, they will not be pushed out of the conference - just not going to happen. In fact the ACC and SEC could work together to support a "Magnolia League" just for football.

(07-25-2021 11:04 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 10:46 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Duke and Wake are the two biggest sinking forces in the TV contracts for football. Wake tries, they're just the smallest school in D1 FBS. Duke doesn't even try. It's difficult to see either around in FBS football after another decade or two.

UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVa will not "abandon" WF. What that actually looks like is difficult to say. If an ACC "children's table" is established the cost of keeping up the children is the issue. If WF and Duke decided to stop football tomorrow, they will not be pushed out of the conference - just not going to happen. In fact the ACC and SEC could work together to support a "Magnolia League" just for football.

That would help resolve revenue/football vs academic association issues. It works best by consolidating football schools under one conference and that Southern and then you could include your "Magnolia League" for hoops and baseball and non revenues.

If they wanted to play football then form this: Baylor, Duke, Rice, Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, Tulane, Tulsa, Vanderbilt would make a nice league, resolve some political issues pertaining to consolidation and this group could grow.

The issue I see is that any new upper tier will ostensibly be closed. Games with these schools in football would need to be pre season. And there is no reason, if they would rather not play football, to exclude their membership for all other sports and academic associations because it is easily resolved as a bookkeeping issue.

(07-25-2021 11:04 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 10:46 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Duke and Wake are the two biggest sinking forces in the TV contracts for football. Wake tries, they're just the smallest school in D1 FBS. Duke doesn't even try. It's difficult to see either around in FBS football after another decade or two.

UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVa will not "abandon" WF. What that actually looks like is difficult to say. If an ACC "children's table" is established the cost of keeping up the children is the issue. If WF and Duke decided to stop football tomorrow, they will not be pushed out of the conference - just not going to happen. In fact the ACC and SEC could work together to support a "Magnolia League" just for football.

Then big time revenue and football will abandon UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVA.

Those schools won't be able to save Wake or another other school that doesn't carrying enough value.

It's an emotional position when the SEC is really just thinking about business.

(07-25-2021 12:11 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:04 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 10:46 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Duke and Wake are the two biggest sinking forces in the TV contracts for football. Wake tries, they're just the smallest school in D1 FBS. Duke doesn't even try. It's difficult to see either around in FBS football after another decade or two.

UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVa will not "abandon" WF. What that actually looks like is difficult to say. If an ACC "children's table" is established the cost of keeping up the children is the issue. If WF and Duke decided to stop football tomorrow, they will not be pushed out of the conference - just not going to happen. In fact the ACC and SEC could work together to support a "Magnolia League" just for football.

Then big time revenue and football will abandon UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVA.

Those schools won't be able to save Wake or another other school that doesn't carrying enough value.

It's an emotional position when the SEC is really just thinking about business.

If those core schools let someone else ruin their money maker then they deserve the slow death that’s coming.

At the end of the day, the ACC is hanging on because of Clemson and FSU. If they decide to leave for another conference then the ACC falls apart. Y’all better start thinking about how to keep those schools happy or you’ll end up like the B12. If I were Clemson and FSU I’d be asking for 1.5 shares of money or I’ll call the B10.

(07-25-2021 12:11 PM)nole Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 11:04 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 10:46 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 09:08 AM)esayem Wrote:  Bring along Duke and Wake Forest and I’m ok with that. What about Miami? NIL might help them become a national program again. Kids love swag.

Duke and Wake are the two biggest sinking forces in the TV contracts for football. Wake tries, they're just the smallest school in D1 FBS. Duke doesn't even try. It's difficult to see either around in FBS football after another decade or two.

UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVa will not "abandon" WF. What that actually looks like is difficult to say. If an ACC "children's table" is established the cost of keeping up the children is the issue. If WF and Duke decided to stop football tomorrow, they will not be pushed out of the conference - just not going to happen. In fact the ACC and SEC could work together to support a "Magnolia League" just for football.

Then big time revenue and football will abandon UNC, NC State, Duke, and UVA.

Those schools won't be able to save Wake or another other school that doesn't carrying enough value.

It's an emotional position when the SEC is really just thinking about business.

I put abandon in quotes. I realize that the business of FSU is just that business to the exclusion of all others. For better or for worse, a few of us in the ACC have certain ties and business obligations that include WF and those businesses are more than sports oriented.

Here's an example that you may or may not understand. FSU has a medical school and hospital https://uhs.fsu.edu/about/history . I wish NC State had a hospital. Your hospital serves your students. Wake Forest Baptist Hospital serves Western NC and the Triad. Brenner's Childrens Hospital, part of WF serves Western NC and the Triad. When people needed critical or cutting edge medical care from High Point to Asheville NC they went to Baptist. When their children were sick, they went to Baptist. You might as well try cutting the umbilical cord between God and Jesus as to try to cut the cords between WF and UNC, Duke, NC State, UVa, and even VT.

Florida State exists in a totally different business, social, and historic world than what is NC and SW Virginia. Your state has been too diverse for too long for such things to matter and you have been isolated in that little NW pocket of Florida where you have more in common with SW GA and coastal Alabama that you don't understand where this even comes from because it is alien to you. I get that.

Between a football and a hospital in NC, football loses - ever time.

(07-24-2021 10:48 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  You idiots who keep adding UConns name to the equation like they are relevant. The ACC and the new commissioner isn’t going to take a school that doesn’t bring NOTHING to the table especially when he would like the conference to prioritize football first and foremost which UConn can not even do. So please stop bringing them up as if they have a shot in hell of joining.

I agree in principal. The reality is, that if ESPN is willing to make it financially attractive we would take a community college tomorrow. Whoever ESPN is willing to pay for is who we will add.

To answer the original question: they want Miami to perform at the level of the 2002 Hurricanes. I truly believe NIL helps no other team more than the Canes. The ACC needs them to step it up and be the flagship football program that it is capable of being.

The original plan was FSU-Clemson or Miami-VaTech battling it out for the title game every season. Louisville and Carolina should be in the mix as well. That is a conference that should be making more dough. Better Performance -> More Money.

My team is currently carrying their weight and then some. The question: is yours?

(07-26-2021 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  My team is currently carrying their weight and then some. The question: is yours?

That's historically unusual in football in Chapel Hill. Better hook Mack up with the full Bowden dadgummit health plan.

(07-26-2021 09:56 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  My team is currently carrying their weight and then some. The question: is yours?

That's historically unusual in football in Chapel Hill. Better hook Mack up with the full Bowden dadgummit health plan.

I’m hoping they clone him and keep him around forever.

Or