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(07-24-2021 04:36 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 03:06 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(07-24-2021 01:42 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  The only way that Notre Dame joins a conference is if it's the cream of the crop super-conference. Their own network contract allows them lots of security. They're the only school that can and does schedule road games in California, Florida, Texas, New York at will, often several in a single season. They have a nationwide fan base this helps satisfy, and it also allows them to recruit nationwide. Go look at their roster and see how many players are from California, for instance.

At this point, any AD who is not at a perennial Top 25 school should be wearing out his phone and contact list in self defense. If he's not, it's pure professional malpractice of the highest order.

ESPN would gladly step on their own crank wearing golf shoes to sign an exclusive contract with the top 25 or 30 schools.

BD, I would imagine it's The Mouse that's behind all of this. That's what people don't get about the ACC/GOR issue. Who were Clemson and FSU's rights granted to? Uhhh, The Mouse. So ESPN is going to hold Clemson and FSU in the ACC when they really want them in the SEC? Nope.

Here are the numbers that are relevant to the Elites:

The NFL reasserted its dominance over the American sports landscape on Thursday as it announced new media deals with CBS, Fox, NBC, ESPN/ABC and Amazon that, according to a source, will net the league $113 billion over 11 years. That number is staggering, amounting to $321 million per team a year. Mar 19, 2021

A Super League is being put together to compete with the NFL, not the rest of college football. The lure will be $ on a scale that no sane minded university president is going to turn down. It solves the issue of players leaving early for the pro's and it will eventually mean removing football from the Title 9 equation because those players will no longer be on scholarship. That also solves the issue of "cheating" as all the payoffs will now be out in the open.

Will the SEC/Super League/Whatever require admission or class attendance by their football players? They will really be employees, not student-athletes.

Then as professional football teams they should pay rent to the public universities whose facilities they use.

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Public universities compete in the private marketplace all the time, look at UAB as a great example. It's a university but it's also a big business. College sports at the elite level is also big business. Just like UAB competes with privately owned hospitals, football programs like Alabama and Oklahoma are looking to more directly compete with the NFL for TV revenues and media exposure. Have you ever seen the college sports sections in a lot of big city newspapers? Pathetic.

I think the top 30-40 schools pulling out and forming their own hybrid college-professional league will help UAB. Decapitating the P5 will level the playing field like never before and we are actually in a decent spot to improve our standing.

If there is such a "super league" in the future, it raises more questions than just stadium rental. Who will stand good for the bonded debt incurred to build those football palaces? Will those teams have Tom Brady type players kept for a decade or more? With perhaps thousands of athletes quitting school for a chance to play for pay, will we lose the bulk of players who actually have to find jobs with their educations now cut short? Will such teams move from city to city leaving Tuscaloosa (for example) with a 100,000 seat stadium with no team to play in it? Could such a team want to buy Legion Field? (LOL) With no university ties, the leagues can play Thursday through Mondays with no regard for any school's schedules(HS or college). There are many more questions that such a new reality might raise.

After reading multiple conference boards, I have concluded that there is one conference that is giving us serious consideration... the Sun Belt. This is gonna be fun...

(07-24-2021 10:19 PM)ICB Wrote:  After reading multiple conference boards, I have concluded that there is one conference that is giving us serious consideration... the Sun Belt. This is gonna be fun...

(Seems reasonable but to some people)

(07-24-2021 10:19 PM)ICB Wrote:  After reading multiple conference boards, I have concluded that there is one conference that is giving us serious consideration... the Sun Belt. This is gonna be fun...

Our saving grace is message board jockeys aren't making the decisions.

Frankly, I'm hoping to end up in a conference that pisses their message boards off. That likely means an upgrade.

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The only teams I care to play in our league are Marshall, WKU, USM, La Tech. The only teams I care to play in the sunbelt are ULaLa, Coastal, and App State. Put us with those schools. That makes 8. Now we only need 4 more. I’d almost rather pull from FCS than play anybody else, but Georgia Southern would probably be next on the list. Jax State, Charleston Southern, NC A&T, Jackson state would be more fun than playing a lot of other G5 Teams. Shoot, Add in Grambling State, too!

(07-25-2021 11:21 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  The only teams I care to play in our league are Marshall, WKU, USM, La Tech. The only teams I care to play in the sunbelt are ULaLa, Coastal, and App State. Put us with those schools. That makes 8. Now we only need 4 more. I’d almost rather pull from FCS than play anybody else, but Georgia Southern would probably be next on the list.

Georgia State +1

GA State has to share the Atlanta market with UGA just like UAB must share the B'ham market with Bama and Auburn. Putting together the financial backing to acquire and renovate the "TED" for football indicates that their negatives are probably shrinking with time. Getting a "Clark type" coach may be the missing link for them to become a major competitor for G5 teams. Metro Atlanta has enough football fans to support more than one team.

Reading other conference boards on here, the AAC Conference Talk board seems to always think more highly of themselves than they should. For example, here is a post by a Tulane fan on the possibility of the AAC inviting UAB if the Big 12 guts them -

"Oh God, the thought of being in a conference with Southern Miss and UAB again makes me sick. There is no way we would ever allow that to happen again. I would rather Tulane **** down our football program than have to be in a conference again with those D league CUSA “athletic programs”. Yea, no thanks."

(07-25-2021 02:38 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  Reading other conference boards on here, the AAC Conference Talk board seems to always think more highly of themselves than they should. For example, here is a post by a Tulane fan on the possibility of the AAC inviting UAB if the Big 12 guts them -

"Oh God, the thought of being in a conference with Southern Miss and UAB again makes me sick. There is no way we would ever allow that to happen again. I would rather Tulane **** down our football program than have to be in a conference again with those D league CUSA “athletic programs”. Yea, no thanks."

Also known as “forgetting where you came from,” a common human trait.

This definitely plays into the psychology. The former C-USA schools don’t want to be seen as C-USA v3.

(07-25-2021 02:38 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  Reading other conference boards on here, the AAC Conference Talk board seems to always think more highly of themselves than they should. For example, here is a post by a Tulane fan on the possibility of the AAC inviting UAB if the Big 12 guts them -

"Oh God, the thought of being in a conference with Southern Miss and UAB again makes me sick. There is no way we would ever allow that to happen again. I would rather Tulane **** down our football program than have to be in a conference again with those D league CUSA “athletic programs”. Yea, no thanks."

I recall that Tulane quit the SEC at about the same time as GA TECH with both going independent. Both seemed to feel they had the wealth to pile up scholarship players beyond the 125 limit allowed by the SEC at the time. (There were no NCAA limits until later) Perhaps they envisioned becoming the "Notre Dame of the South".When the NCAA later set national limits, that advantage disappeared and Tech joined the ACC.

The REALITY is, AAC without Memphis, Cincy, Houston, and UCF is no better than current CUSA. I don’t care to be in that league without those 4. There’d have to be some really really solid additions for me to want to join that league.

Tulane is boo boo and they never should’ve gotten a call up.

Eat sh!t, random Tulane poster.

(07-25-2021 02:38 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  Reading other conference boards on here, the AAC Conference Talk board seems to always think more highly of themselves than they should. For example, here is a post by a Tulane fan on the possibility of the AAC inviting UAB if the Big 12 guts them -

"Oh God, the thought of being in a conference with Southern Miss and UAB again makes me sick. There is no way we would ever allow that to happen again. I would rather Tulane **** down our football program than have to be in a conference again with those D league CUSA “athletic programs”. Yea, no thanks."

That dude's an idiot.

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So many teams that have thought they had "moved up" are about to get a very rude awakening. They thought they had left certain schools and leagues behind but they really hadn't. That goes for the dumb*** Tulane fan dissing UAB and USM as well as say a TCU fan dissing SMU and Houston. TCU isn't going to make the cut. Neither is Utah and I'm not sure if Louisville will either. In the end, I doubt any former G5 program is admitted to a college football Elite League. They're after the legacy brands. Schools like Louisville, Cincinnati, Kansas, Wichita State and others will get their chance with the college basketball Elite League that will soon follow.

(07-25-2021 03:48 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  The REALITY is, AAC without Memphis, Cincy, Houston, and UCF is no better than current CUSA. I don’t care to be in that league without those 4. There’d have to be some really really solid additions for me to want to join that league.

Tulane is boo boo and they never should’ve gotten a call up.

Eat sh!t, random Tulane poster.

Disagree. AAC possibilities:
1. Navy
2. SMU
3. ECU
4. Temple
5. Tulane
6. Tulsa
add
7. App State
8. Liberty
9. UAB
10. +1 or +3

I think AAC would be a far superior option regardless of who is in it. Let's say AAC loses UCF, Cincinnati and Houston.

The remaining schools will simply backfill with the best east coast options and there is not a school that would turn it down.

let's say it shakes out something like this:

SMU
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Southern Miss

Temple
East Carolina
USF
UAB
Marshall
FAU, Liberty, App State, etc.

That's a 2 and sometimes 3 bid hoops league and still would get the best tv deal from the non automony conferences

if they stop at 9 or 10, UAB would be among the picks and this will actually be a pretty easy choice. Some fans wont like that but just remember their angst isnt really about who gets picked but their inability to advance.

(07-25-2021 05:01 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  I think AAC would be a far superior option regardless of who is in it. Let's say AAC loses UCF, Cincinnati and Houston.

The remaining schools will simply backfill with the best east coast options and there is not a school that would turn it down.

let's say it shakes out something like this:

SMU
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Southern Miss

Temple
East Carolina
USF
UAB
Marshall
FAU, Liberty, App State, etc.

That's a 2 and sometimes 3 bid hoops league and still would get the best tv deal from the non automony conferences

if they stop at 9 or 10, UAB would be among the picks and this will actually be a pretty easy choice. Some fans wont like that but just remember their angst isnt really about who gets picked but their inability to advance.

I'm pretty sure Navy would go back to being an independent because the TV deal is going to take a very significant hit without Cincy, UCF, and Houston.

(07-25-2021 05:18 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 05:01 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  I think AAC would be a far superior option regardless of who is in it. Let's say AAC loses UCF, Cincinnati and Houston.

The remaining schools will simply backfill with the best east coast options and there is not a school that would turn it down.

let's say it shakes out something like this:

SMU
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Southern Miss

Temple
East Carolina
USF
UAB
Marshall
FAU, Liberty, App State, etc.

That's a 2 and sometimes 3 bid hoops league and still would get the best tv deal from the non automony conferences

if they stop at 9 or 10, UAB would be among the picks and this will actually be a pretty easy choice. Some fans wont like that but just remember their angst isnt really about who gets picked but their inability to advance.

I'm pretty sure Navy would go back to being an independent because the TV deal is going to take a very significant hit without Cincy, UCF, and Houston.

I think a lot of TV deals are about to be "re-negotiated". The AAC's current deal is gonna be close to the top of the scale for what's left of FBS football. The Elites aren't satisfied with the majority of the $, they want almost all of it.

That was simply my take and I stand by it. I know those remaining schools aren’t going to travel based on past experiences. I’d rather play Marshall, La Tech, WKU, and Southern Miss than Tulane, ECU, Temple, and Tulsa. When you talk about tv negotiations, those are some remaining schools that can’t get on tv in the current state. There’s gonna need to be some serious reshuffling of the decks, because some of these leagues don’t make sense now to be together and it gets worse when Power 5 decides to pluck away the last few draws.

So, put together a conference that you know fans are going to show up to their home games no matter the opponent and make sure that the schools remain in a respectable distance to make a short road trip out of it.

AAC tried to backfill with tv markets and blew it. CUSA, I don’t know what the heck we tried to do, but we blew it as well.

What AAC did right was market their conference as the best of the rest and 5-6 schools proved it on the field and court.

(07-25-2021 05:56 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 05:18 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 05:01 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  I think AAC would be a far superior option regardless of who is in it. Let's say AAC loses UCF, Cincinnati and Houston.

The remaining schools will simply backfill with the best east coast options and there is not a school that would turn it down.

let's say it shakes out something like this:

SMU
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Southern Miss

Temple
East Carolina
USF
UAB
Marshall
FAU, Liberty, App State, etc.

That's a 2 and sometimes 3 bid hoops league and still would get the best tv deal from the non automony conferences

if they stop at 9 or 10, UAB would be among the picks and this will actually be a pretty easy choice. Some fans wont like that but just remember their angst isnt really about who gets picked but their inability to advance.

I'm pretty sure Navy would go back to being an independent because the TV deal is going to take a very significant hit without Cincy, UCF, and Houston.

I think a lot of TV deals are about to be "re-negotiated". The AAC's current deal is gonna be close to the top of the scale for what's left of FBS football. The Elites aren't satisfied with the majority of the $, they want almost all of it.

In that case future games against SEC opponents should be renegotiated to reflect the new market. In plain speak we need more money to play tune up games against your semi-pro league.