(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

And cancelling them for 2 P5 away games. Apparently I never should have believed Boise when they complained no one would play them at home. They don't care, they'd rather have $1.6 mil a game to play away.

According to this Michigan State site,

https://www.theonlycolors.com/2021/7/2/2...oise-state

“Michigan State football moves up home-and-home series with Washington, cancels Boise State series”

“Interestingly, Michigan State also announced that the home-and-home series against Boise State in 2022 and 2023 has been canceled, which allows for the Washington series to be moved up on the schedule. Both Michigan State and Boise State mutually agreed to terminate the series without penalty to either school.”

That makes much more sense….

(07-03-2021 03:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  According to this Michigan State site,

https://www.theonlycolors.com/2021/7/2/2...oise-state

“Michigan State football moves up home-and-home series with Washington, cancels Boise State series”

“Interestingly, Michigan State also announced that the home-and-home series against Boise State in 2022 and 2023 has been canceled, which allows for the Washington series to be moved up on the schedule. Both Michigan State and Boise State mutually agreed to terminate the series without penalty to either school.”

That makes much more sense….

The Boise State announcements never explicitly claimed said that it was over Michigan State's objection, and "Boise State decided to" is technically correct if it is "by mutual agreement" ... but yeah, by mutual agreement is why there was no cancellation penalty to be included in the "profit of the deal" calculation.

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(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

The new coach could well answer, "yeah, I'm not the one who was making those complaints".

Though to be fair, AFAIU, this is the home and home back end of a 2-1 that they are cancelling, not an actual home and home agreement.

(07-02-2021 11:25 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 08:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  2023 is the earliest date for a potential 12 team playoff. They’d still be playing a strong P5 in 2023.

How much is Washington paying for G5 games these days if Boise can collect a pay check from them, pay Tenn-Martin for their trip to the smurf turf, and still end up $3.1M ahead?

Is Washington seriously paying more than $4M for body bag games?!

The way I read an article about it, it sounds like the two Washington games are a package deal, so you could reckon that cancelling the second away game of the 2-1 opened up the opportunity for the two games ... but then the 2-1 contract surely only allowed Boise State to cancel the H/A pair at the back end of the contract, so subtract the cost of replacing the home game with an FCS buy game, and voila, the "profit" of the deal.

In reality, there will have to be another buy game to balance out the schedule when the second Washington buy game occurs, and another buy game would probably have been available at that time, even if possibly for less money, so the true net profit for the whole deal when all schedule impacts are taken into account are likely to be more like in the $1m-$2m range.

Your analysis of the situation is correct. The net profit to Boise when all is said and done is probably less than $1 million (taking into account the cost of buying a home date with UT Martin).

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(07-02-2021 09:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I was going to say this has something to do with a 12-team playoff, but if they are making $3.1 million more, well then ...

1) 3.1 million
2) helping save coaches job

Not to do with 12 team playoff.

Sure, $3.1 million can explain it all by itself.

But the playoffs could be factoring in some way as well.

(07-03-2021 07:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  Your analysis of the situation is correct. The net profit to Boise when all is said and done is probably less than $1 million (taking into account the cost of buying a home date with TSU).

If an FCS games costs somewhere in the range of $190,000-$750,000 and the ones on the lower end of the range are bus games, let's say it's $600,000. That implies the two Washington games are $3.7m total, or around $1.85m each, and the actual profit on dropping the back end of the 2-1 contract would be in the range of $1.2m.

If the buy game was $400,000, that'd be $3.5m total from Washington, $1.75m each, and a profit of $1.35m ... if the buy game was $800,000 (above the range of the list of 2020 FCS buy games I saw before Covid hit), that'd imply $3.9m total from Washington, $1.95m each and a profit of $1.15m.

(07-03-2021 10:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 07:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  Your analysis of the situation is correct. The net profit to Boise when all is said and done is probably less than $1 million (taking into account the cost of buying a home date with TSU).

If an FCS games costs somewhere in the range of $190,000-$750,000 and the ones on the lower end of the range are bus games, let's say it's $600,000. That implies the two Washington games are $3.7m total, or around $1.85m each, and the actual profit on dropping the back end of the 2-1 contract would be in the range of $1.2m.

If the buy game was $400,000, that'd be $3.5m total from Washington, $1.75m each, and a profit of $1.35m ... if the buy game was $800,000 (above the range of the list of 2020 FCS buy games I saw before Covid hit), that'd imply $3.9m total from Washington, $1.95m each and a profit of $1.15m.

.... which IMO then brings playoff possibilities back in to the picture.

(07-03-2021 10:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 07:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  Your analysis of the situation is correct. The net profit to Boise when all is said and done is probably less than $1 million (taking into account the cost of buying a home date with TSU).

If an FCS games costs somewhere in the range of $190,000-$750,000 and the ones on the lower end of the range are bus games, let's say it's $600,000. That implies the two Washington games are $3.7m total, or around $1.85m each, and the actual profit on dropping the back end of the 2-1 contract would be in the range of $1.2m.

If the buy game was $400,000, that'd be $3.5m total from Washington, $1.75m each, and a profit of $1.35m ... if the buy game was $800,000 (above the range of the list of 2020 FCS buy games I saw before Covid hit), that'd imply $3.9m total from Washington, $1.95m each and a profit of $1.15m.

I believe I read somewhere that the buy game was for something north of $600K and the first UW game was $1.5 million. If you assume that Boise could sell more tickets to a home game vs MSU than they could for UT Martin, and/or charge premium ticket prices, that brings down the net gain. The 2029 UW game stands on its own in this analysis. Boise would be selling to someone else if not UW.

(07-02-2021 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I was going to say this has something to do with a 12-team playoff, but if they are making $3.1 million more, well then ...

This is exactly the outcome I predicted. G5 teams have no need to play P5 teams anymore since they are guaranteed access for playing teams like TN Martin. Boise State has a better chance of making playoffs than USC, Wisconsin, Penn State, Auburn, etc. Sorry that's just ridiculous.

(07-03-2021 02:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

And cancelling them for 2 P5 away games. Apparently I never should have believed Boise when they complained no one would play them at home. They don't care, they'd rather have $1.6 mil a game to play away.

Boise State is pure scum. They had a great chance of improving their program with a 2 for 1 with Nebraska and was too scared of 3 losses.

(07-03-2021 12:37 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 02:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

And cancelling them for 2 P5 away games. Apparently I never should have believed Boise when they complained no one would play them at home. They don't care, they'd rather have $1.6 mil a game to play away.

Boise State is pure scum. They had a great chance of improving their program with a 2 for 1 with Nebraska and was too scared of 3 losses.

I have very little respect for Boise. They built their notoriety by pounding incredibly weak and depleted Big West and WAC. Now they financially bully their MWC conference mates while simultaneously acting like they are too good for football only membership in the AAC.

They whined for years that no one in the BCS/P5 would give them home and homes and here they are cancelling on one of the few programs that offered them one, which was a charity act on Mich St’s part—the Spartans could have gotten themselves a much more respected series.

(07-03-2021 12:37 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 02:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

And cancelling them for 2 P5 away games. Apparently I never should have believed Boise when they complained no one would play them at home. They don't care, they'd rather have $1.6 mil a game to play away.

Boise State is pure scum. They had a great chance of improving their program with a 2 for 1 with Nebraska and was too scared of 3 losses.

I don’t think anybody is scared of Nebraska these days.

(07-03-2021 01:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 12:37 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 02:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

And cancelling them for 2 P5 away games. Apparently I never should have believed Boise when they complained no one would play them at home. They don't care, they'd rather have $1.6 mil a game to play away.

Boise State is pure scum. They had a great chance of improving their program with a 2 for 1 with Nebraska and was too scared of 3 losses.

I have very little respect for Boise. They built their notoriety by pounding incredibly weak and depleted Big West and WAC. Now they financially bully their MWC conference mates while simultaneously acting like they are too good for football only membership in the AAC.

They whined for years that no one in the BCS/P5 would give them home and homes and here they are cancelling on one of the few programs that offered them one, which was a charity act on Mich St’s part—the Spartans could have gotten themselves a much more respected series.

Boise State built its reputation in winning BCS/NY6 bowls. Just like Gonzaga built theirs in the NCAAT.

(07-03-2021 01:38 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 01:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 12:37 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 02:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 06:38 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lame! This is the program that belly aches that the big boys wouldn’t play them home and home and here they are canceling.

And cancelling them for 2 P5 away games. Apparently I never should have believed Boise when they complained no one would play them at home. They don't care, they'd rather have $1.6 mil a game to play away.

Boise State is pure scum. They had a great chance of improving their program with a 2 for 1 with Nebraska and was too scared of 3 losses.

I have very little respect for Boise. They built their notoriety by pounding incredibly weak and depleted Big West and WAC. Now they financially bully their MWC conference mates while simultaneously acting like they are too good for football only membership in the AAC.

They whined for years that no one in the BCS/P5 would give them home and homes and here they are cancelling on one of the few programs that offered them one, which was a charity act on Mich St’s part—the Spartans could have gotten themselves a much more respected series.

Boise State built its reputation in winning BCS/NY6 bowls. Just like Gonzaga built theirs in the NCAAT.

I agree with this. Boise has won for too long and against too many good opponents for it to be written off as feasting against certain teams or whatever.

I just assumed it's Boise state getting a P5 away game to try to hang it's season around. Worse case scenario they get a decent check and a loss. I think they hope Washington is good enough and they win out to get the G5 championship spot.

(07-03-2021 03:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  According to this Michigan State site,

https://www.theonlycolors.com/2021/7/2/2...oise-state

“Michigan State football moves up home-and-home series with Washington, cancels Boise State series”

“Interestingly, Michigan State also announced that the home-and-home series against Boise State in 2022 and 2023 has been canceled, which allows for the Washington series to be moved up on the schedule. Both Michigan State and Boise State mutually agreed to terminate the series without penalty to either school.”

That makes much more sense….

Yep, by moving the 2028 Michigan State game up, Washington was able to create a home opening for the Michigan game in 2028. The 2020 game between UW and Michigan was canceled due to the pandemic. Both schools have been trying to find a way to reschedule the game. Ohio State's game in 2020 at Oregon was canceled as well and both schools could not find a makeup date. So, Ohio State is going to pay Oregon $3.5 million for the loss of that home game. I think Michigan probably wanted to avoid that and UW wants the home game against Michigan. Oregon and Ohio State did schedule a home-and-home series for 2032-2033.

Boise State did lose a lucrative home game last season with Florida State due to the pandemic. They must have taken a real hit financially last season, so the money games with Washington must have been more attractive financially than the home-and-home games with Michigan State. Basically, these games are being shuffled around and canceled due to the pandemic.

(07-03-2021 09:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 09:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I was going to say this has something to do with a 12-team playoff, but if they are making $3.1 million more, well then ...

1) 3.1 million
2) helping save coaches job

Not to do with 12 team playoff.

Sure, $3.1 million can explain it all by itself.

But the playoffs could be factoring in some way as well.

It isn’t $3.1 million. The beat writer factored in the 2029 buy game ($1.6 million), which isn’t relevant to the tradeoff.

You also have to subtract UT Martin’s pay. UT Martin’s pay is $425k.

$1.6 million - $425k = $1.175 million

Then you have to subtract the UT Martin gate from the Michigan St gate.

$1.175 million - (Michigan St gameday revenue - UT Martin gameday revenue) = net profit

Michigan St's in a rebuild. Not sure how much W's over them would actually be worth.

So is UND essentially playing Boise State for free? Kinda stupid of UND if they didn't negotiate at all for more money, no? Why not just have Washington pay their buyout and then make Boise or a different team pay a guarantee? Is our AD a pushover?