(07-03-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 12:31 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  In terms of research, the Big Ten has the most cohesive identity among the P5, followed by the Pac-12 and SEC. The ACC is a smorgasbord and the Big XII is an alliance of convenience.

The only outlier in the Big Ten is Nebraska, which is not a member of the AAU. That said, it is still a decent research school.

The Pac is partitioned into three research tiers. The California Schools and Washington all rank in the top 30 in terms of research expenditure. Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State, are all good research universities but spend less than the behemoths in Tier 1, and Oregon is in Tier 3. Oregon spends a little more than a third of what Oregon State does on research (the second lowest spender). There's a nice gradient in spend, though, so it doesn't seem that disjointed.

The SEC is relatively homologous, but A&M, Florida, and Vanderbilt do way more research than the rest.

Georgia is rapidly closing the gap in funded research despite not having a medical college or large engineering program (until recently GA Tech was able to prevent UGA from expanding its engineering department beyond ag and environmental engineering).

That's great about Georgia, Oscar!!! Fellow Dawg fan here, btw.

(06-30-2021 08:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UCF and ECU desperately wanted to be in the BE but missed out on it.

ECU has been trying to be a Big Boy as long as WVU has been trying to get in the ACC. Neither will ever happen.

(07-02-2021 06:57 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 03:57 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 11:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Concerning CUSA... when you put it that way, you can see why Marshall, Southern Miss, WKU and La Tech fit in better with the Fun Belt.

You’re not wrong. If we were to realign based on identity, Marshall, USM, and La Tech would fit in nicely in the place of Georgia State, South Alabama, and Texas State who would all fall into the CUSA category.

I dunno. Texas State fits, to me, the description of a Sun Belt school going by the definition I gave. San Marco's, from everything I've heard, is a true college town, and while it's halfwayish between Austin and San Antonio, it has it's own character. But TXST would make sense in C-USA based on the presence of other Texas schools, though not based on market.

You are correct. San Marcos retains its college town charm. But it is in the path of the suburban sprawl of Austin.

(07-03-2021 09:30 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 12:31 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  In terms of research, the Big Ten has the most cohesive identity among the P5, followed by the Pac-12 and SEC. The ACC is a smorgasbord and the Big XII is an alliance of convenience.

The only outlier in the Big Ten is Nebraska, which is not a member of the AAU. That said, it is still a decent research school.

The Pac is partitioned into three research tiers. The California Schools and Washington all rank in the top 30 in terms of research expenditure. Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State, are all good research universities but spend less than the behemoths in Tier 1, and Oregon is in Tier 3. Oregon spends a little more than a third of what Oregon State does on research (the second lowest spender). There's a nice gradient in spend, though, so it doesn't seem that disjointed.

The SEC is relatively homologous, but A&M, Florida, and Vanderbilt do way more research than the rest.

Georgia is rapidly closing the gap in funded research despite not having a medical college or large engineering program (until recently GA Tech was able to prevent UGA from expanding its engineering department beyond ag and environmental engineering).

I’d put Georgia and Kentucky in the second tier of the SEC. Georgia has a significantly better trajectory than Kentucky, though.

From the data I’m seeing, it doesn’t look like UGa is making up ground on A&M/Florida/Vanderbilt. I haven’t done any calculations, but it looks like their growth is par for the course.

(07-03-2021 10:22 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UCF and ECU desperately wanted to be in the BE but missed out on it.

ECU has been trying to be a Big Boy as long as WVU has been trying to get in the ACC. Neither will ever happen.

In the late 80’s ECU was on par with Virginia tech and West Virginia and way above mid majors Rutgers & Temple, and low minors like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis who were all on the verge of being “Drake’d”. (Drake was a much better, richer school than the latter 3 and had owned them in multiple sports for years until they dropped down in Mid 80’s.
No one even knew what a UCF was back then hahahaha. I hate revisionist history.

(07-03-2021 10:22 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UCF and ECU desperately wanted to be in the BE but missed out on it.

ECU has been trying to be a Big Boy as long as WVU has been trying to get in the ACC. Neither will ever happen.

ECU and Southern Miss were both fighting the college football establishment when Louisville was still deciding if it was going to keep playing big boy football or not.

I always liked Steve Logan. When asked about BCS access he said,
“If they won’t open the door we will kick it in”

ECU is a victim of its location. If it was anywhere but North Carolina its chances of joining a P5 conference would be much better. I would never say never. Who the hell thought Louisville ever had a chance to join The ACC. I don’t know many Louisville fans that did.

(07-06-2021 05:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  In the late 80’s ECU was on par with Virginia tech and West Virginia and way above mid majors Rutgers & Temple, and low minors like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis who were all on the verge of being “Drake’d”. (Drake was a much better, richer school than the latter 3 and had owned them in multiple sports for years until they dropped down in Mid 80’s.

Not sure I would think of Drake as rich. It reminded me of Butler.

(07-05-2021 09:16 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 06:57 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 03:57 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-02-2021 11:39 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Concerning CUSA... when you put it that way, you can see why Marshall, Southern Miss, WKU and La Tech fit in better with the Fun Belt.

You’re not wrong. If we were to realign based on identity, Marshall, USM, and La Tech would fit in nicely in the place of Georgia State, South Alabama, and Texas State who would all fall into the CUSA category.

I dunno. Texas State fits, to me, the description of a Sun Belt school going by the definition I gave. San Marco's, from everything I've heard, is a true college town, and while it's halfwayish between Austin and San Antonio, it has it's own character. But TXST would make sense in C-USA based on the presence of other Texas schools, though not based on market.

You are correct. San Marcos retains its college town charm. But it is in the path of the suburban sprawl of Austin.

My son spent a few years there. Its a really neat town. Ive always felt Texas State had fantastic potential if they could ever get on a roll.

(07-06-2021 09:57 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 05:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  In the late 80’s ECU was on par with Virginia tech and West Virginia and way above mid majors Rutgers & Temple, and low minors like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis who were all on the verge of being “Drake’d”. (Drake was a much better, richer school than the latter 3 and had owned them in multiple sports for years until they dropped down in Mid 80’s.

Not sure I would think of Drake as rich. It reminded me of Butler.

It's a private pre-med pre-law kind of like Butler, Creighton, and Marquette. It's not Rice or Northwestern, but it certainly isn't poor, and it would be a perfect fit for the Big East if its athletics were better.

(07-07-2021 05:57 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 09:57 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 05:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  In the late 80’s ECU was on par with Virginia tech and West Virginia and way above mid majors Rutgers & Temple, and low minors like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis who were all on the verge of being “Drake’d”. (Drake was a much better, richer school than the latter 3 and had owned them in multiple sports for years until they dropped down in Mid 80’s.

Not sure I would think of Drake as rich. It reminded me of Butler.

It's a private pre-med pre-law kind of like Butler, Creighton, and Marquette. It's not Rice or Northwestern, but it certainly isn't poor, and it would be a perfect fit for the Big East if its athletics were better.

With conference sharing history with Creighton, Marquee and DePaul. Plus old Big East members Louisville, Cincinnati too I believe. Plus Memphis, Wichita St and Tulsa and New Mexico St I believe. I’m not exactly sure who was in the Missouri Valley Conference which years but it was a very good basketball conference and Drake went to a Final Four or 2 and an Elite 8 during the 70’s. Lot of great years for Drake. Great market too in Des Moines.

(07-06-2021 05:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 10:22 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UCF and ECU desperately wanted to be in the BE but missed out on it.

ECU has been trying to be a Big Boy as long as WVU has been trying to get in the ACC. Neither will ever happen.

In the late 80’s ECU was on par with Virginia tech and West Virginia and way above mid majors Rutgers & Temple, and low minors like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis who were all on the verge of being “Drake’d”. (Drake was a much better, richer school than the latter 3 and had owned them in multiple sports for years until they dropped down in Mid 80’s.
No one even knew what a UCF was back then hahahaha. I hate revisionist history.

Cincinnati is 23-8 all-time against Drake in hoops. Prior to meeting up in 2019, they hadn’t played since 1974. UC and Drake never met in football (Drake left the MVC prior to UC joining the MVC and returned after the Bearcats went Independent). Maybe you are talking about Olympic sports, but Drake did not “own UC” in the major sports. Also, UC’s endowment is $1.4B vs Drake’s $220M. How are they richer?

(07-12-2021 06:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-06-2021 05:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-03-2021 10:22 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UCF and ECU desperately wanted to be in the BE but missed out on it.

ECU has been trying to be a Big Boy as long as WVU has been trying to get in the ACC. Neither will ever happen.

In the late 80’s ECU was on par with Virginia tech and West Virginia and way above mid majors Rutgers & Temple, and low minors like Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis who were all on the verge of being “Drake’d”. (Drake was a much better, richer school than the latter 3 and had owned them in multiple sports for years until they dropped down in Mid 80’s.
No one even knew what a UCF was back then hahahaha. I hate revisionist history.

Cincinnati is 23-8 all-time against Drake in hoops. Prior to meeting up in 2019, they hadn’t played since 1974. UC and Drake never met in football (Drake left the MVC prior to UC joining the MVC and returned after the Bearcats went Independent). Maybe you are talking about Olympic sports, but Drake did not “own UC” in the major sports. Also, UC’s endowment is $1.4B vs Drake’s $220M. How are they richer?

Now compute endowment per student and tell me who’s richer!