(06-14-2021 04:59 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 01:35 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 12:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 12:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Most Democrats are against government control of the means of production.

But here's the problem with that. When you push tax and regulatory policies that drive the private sector out of business, you end up with government control of everything.

Take Venezuela. The left likes to say that it wasn't socialism that drove their decline, but over-reliance on oil and the decline of oil prices. But here's what's wrong with that. Venezuela had a thriving, diverse economy. Then Chavez and Maduro got to work. Pretty soon, everybody who could get out got out. The one industry that couldn't was oil and gas, because you have to dig wells where the oil and gas are located. So Venezuela became a one-industry country, and when fracking and shale oil and gas priced Venezuela out of the market, they had nothing.

Whenever you cross over into massive redistribution of income and wealth, you put yourself inevitably on the road to socialism or communism. Because people don't want the fruits of their labor (and investment) to be redistributed, so they bail and leave government as the only entity that can invest. You can say that democrats don't want government ownership of the means of production, but on their current path, that is the inevitable end result.

Most Americans what universal health care so why does that turn into the left want to control oil and gas. The idea that the left wants to change things that radically is ridiculous brought on by the same type of fear mongering of the Salem witch trails or McCarthy. Nice company to keep.

Why does Memphis keeping crapping out liberal roadie such as yourself. I have had the displeasure of reading about 5 of your posts and I can already tell u r a complete and total hypocrite.

Fear mongering? How about the Russian collusion myth you democrats pimped out to the public?

Fear Mongering? How about telling black people that their lives are endangered by law enforcement?

Fear Mongering? In 2012, then Vice President Joe Biden accused the GOP of seeking to reinstate the institution of black slavery.

Fear Mongering? Sen. Bernie Sanders said Republicans seek the elimination of the Department of Veterans Affairs and Social Security in 2013.

Fear Mongering? Joe Biden and the Democratic Party have been telling everybody that Republicans are nothing but fascists and racists for the past three years now.

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To my fellow Republican Memphis alums I ask this question. What the fvck is the University of Memphis teaching it’s students these days?

You probably don't really want to know. Whatever it is it damn sure isn't critical thinking skills.

(06-14-2021 01:35 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Most Americans what universal health care so why does that turn into the left want to control oil and gas.

Universal health care doesn't turn into the left wants to control oil and gas. The left wanting to control (and effectively end without replacement) oil and gas is what turns into the left wants to control oil and gas.

(06-14-2021 05:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 02:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 02:06 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 02:01 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 01:48 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Where in hell do you people get "most Americans want universal health care"? You want it so that means most people want it? Nobody ever asked me or anyone I know what we wanted.

from polls taken in every state all across the country. Yes, the majority of people are on board with universal health care.

Even if they asked you in one of the polls, you won't change the majority.

Where's your proof? Polls mean diddly. Polls are rigged. Our government wants it therefore we all want it. Right.

There's no way those poll numbers are correct. For one, the elitist lefties would NEVER want universal health care for themselves; just like they got themselves exempted from Obamacare so they wouldnt have to live under it.

Almost nobody with employer sponsored health care wants "Universal Health Care."

Exactly.

My insurance is 100% paid for by my employer.

Will I get to keep that under some 'Universal Health Care'?

Of course I won't.

It doesnt bother me when people put their heads in the sand to avoid seeing whats directly in front of them.

(06-14-2021 12:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-14-2021 12:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Most Democrats are against government control of the means of production.

But here's the problem with that. When you push tax and regulatory policies that drive the private sector out of business, you end up with government control of everything.

Take Venezuela. The left likes to say that it wasn't socialism that drove their decline, but over-reliance on oil and the decline of oil prices. But here's what's wrong with that. Venezuela had a thriving, diverse economy. Then Chavez and Maduro got to work. Pretty soon, everybody who could get out got out. The one industry that couldn't was oil and gas, because you have to dig wells where the oil and gas are located. So Venezuela became a one-industry country, and when fracking and shale oil and gas priced Venezuela out of the market, they had nothing.

Whenever you cross over into massive redistribution of income and wealth, you put yourself inevitably on the road to socialism or communism. Because people don't want the fruits of their labor (and investment) to be redistributed, so they bail and leave government as the only entity that can invest. You can say that democrats don't want government ownership of the means of production, but on their current path, that is the inevitable end result.

You vastly underestimate the regulatory difference between the USA and Europe.

As bad as California's regulations are, it's still easier to build a WalMart or a housing development in California than in Liverpool or Glasgow (and forget about London - that's just not happening). And that's the UK, which is much more similar to the USA than continental Europe.

I'm good friends with several Democrats who lived in Europe. Every one says that their European friends considered them dangerously right wing on economic policies.


As for Venezuela - Venezuela's government seized whole industries outright. They nationalized the natural gas industry in 1976 and most of the oil industry in 1999. Chavez used oil jobs to reward political allies, so that it was not uncommon for a former bus driver to be in charge of an engineering team. That triggered a wave of emigration in the early 2000s as the business and engineering classes left. The capitalist class traditionally had stayed out of politics, and by the time they realized how serious of a threat Chavez was, most of their potential allies had already left the country.

Venezuela is actually a perfect example of how liberal immigration policies in the West hurt the common people in another country by taking away all the productive people.

(06-15-2021 05:21 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You vastly underestimate the regulatory difference between the USA and Europe.

But that's historic, not what Biden and the democrats are proposing.

Democrats continually cry about our "Democracy", but are doing everything they can (legally & illegally) to make it a one-party government.

That's not 'Democracy'. And they're not even trying to hide it.

(06-15-2021 05:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 05:21 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You vastly underestimate the regulatory difference between the USA and Europe.

But that's historic, not what Biden and the democrats are proposing.

True.

But Biden's big priorities are spending bills. He hasn't focused much on extra regulations. Some people in his party want more environmental regulations or financial regulations, but even those proposals are less severe than Europe.

And there's no talk at all of Biden wanting the government to start owning corporations like they do in Europe. None.

Wall Street supported Hillary and Biden. They wouldn't do that if they thought Democrats wanted to bring down the private enterprise system.

The left (Dems) is just trying to keep pace with the rest of the English speaking western representative democracies (England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.). The right wants a Plutocracy. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

(06-15-2021 05:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 05:21 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You vastly underestimate the regulatory difference between the USA and Europe.

But that's historic, not what Biden and the democrats are proposing.

It's exactly what Biden and the Dems are proposing, it's their platform.

First off, when you talk regulation, you have to distinguish between substantive and procedural considerations. In many cases, Europe has stronger substantive provisions, but the procedure makes it easier to get answers. I have proposed revisions to the Administrative Procedure Act (APA) to provide:
1) All rulemakings are subject to advise and consent of both houses of congress, automatically if the projected impact is greater than some monetary amount (say, $10B/year) and alternatively upon petition by 20% of the members of either house;
2) All agencies and their rules and regulations are subject to sunset congressional review every 10 years; and
3) Replace the in-house Administrative Law Judges for resolving disputes with independent Article III Administrative Law Courts in each federal judicial district.